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sirish19 · 31 July 2015, 02:46 AM

Hi All,

I have had my PAM 328 for a little over 5 years and enjoyed it during the time and bought 8-10 different OEM and aftermarket straps to use interchangeably. Recently, I have been adding higher end pieces to my collection (Patek Annual Calendar and VC Patrimony) and haven't really worn the PAM as much anymore. Also, compared with the rest of the watches in my collection it just wears really bulky and heavy.

Recently, I found that the automatic winding mechanism was not working so took it in for repair, complete overhaul and polish. $1,000 but it came back look brand new and running great.

Now my dilemma is, should I keep it and try to learn to enjoy it like I did once before, or should I just go ahead and sell it now that it is back in mint condition and try to trade up for something better. Recently I tried on the Nautilus 5712 and was amazed at how much more comfortable that felt on my wrist than the PAM.

The 5712 is a lot more coin but think it would fit better with my current collection and hold up more in the long run.

Thoughts?

locutus49 · 31 July 2015, 03:10 AM

Do the trade. Love the 5711 or 12.

ap1 · 31 July 2015, 03:11 AM

wow, that looks great and BNIB now. I can relate, I started out as a big PAM fanboy and that has since wanned as I try more watches. That said, I think PAM is a unique look and I recently added one back to use in more casual situations and more as a travel beater. I hear you on comfort and the thickness was my biggest concern, but I feel a PAM is warranted in a 7+ collection. for me anyways.

sirish19 · 31 July 2015, 03:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ap1

wow, that looks great and BNIB now. I can relate, I started out as a big PAM fanboy and that has since wanned as I try more watches. That said, I think PAM is a unique look and I recently added one back to use in more casual situations and more as a travel beater. I hear you on comfort and the thickness was my biggest concern, but I feel a PAM is warranted in a 7+ collection. for me anyways.

Before I got my Patek and Patrimony my GMT Master II was more of my dress watch was more of the weekend beater but I had my GMT overhauled and it also looks fantastic and has now been relegated to weekend duties. Just thinking that it could be the best time to unload the PAM while it still has a strong following, who knows how it will be valued in a few more years.

Cru Jones · 31 July 2015, 05:30 AM

If the love is gone, flip. Personally, I've always found the 1950 case Luminors to be too bulky and the bracelet only adds to that sensation.

ap1 · 31 July 2015, 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirish19

Before I got my Patek and Patrimony my GMT Master II was more of my dress watch was more of the weekend beater but I had my GMT overhauled and it also looks fantastic and has now been relegated to weekend duties. Just thinking that it could be the best time to unload the PAM while it still has a strong following, who knows how it will be valued in a few more years.

I wear my gmtC in rotation to work. Pams are certainly not as comfy as Patek (the most) and rolex (very tolerable and I felt comfy until I got a PP)

bottom line, if you want to move it then go for it. I was just relating that I sold off Pams and went back - something about that crown guard that pulls me in!

1st amg · 31 July 2015, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ap1

I wear my gmtC in rotation to work. Pams are certainly not as comfy as Patek (the most) and rolex (very tolerable and I felt comfy until I got a PP)

bottom line, if you want to move it then go for it. I was just relating that I sold off Pams and went back - something about that crown guard that pulls me in!

Same for me, sold off all of my Pams, but needed one back in the rotation, so along came a 47mm Pam, thats it for me now. So I think, you either keep that as a beater or vacation watch, or sell it off for a few thousand and relegate the funds to your watch that is in your future. You could always buy another Pam again such as what happened to me. I am sure if you price your Pam properly you can sell it here on TRF.

nick c · 31 July 2015, 09:07 AM

Sell it and buy Patek

alexlt730512 · 31 July 2015, 12:16 PM

Buy Patek for sure

tomcorkery · 31 July 2015, 12:26 PM

would buy the patek also. I to tired of the bulk of the pam after 10 years of wearing them. Sold off most, but just picked up the 580. the weight is great with ceramic. If you feel the need to add a pam after yours is gone, try the ceramic style. Think you will enjoy it.

Rogdogg · 31 July 2015, 12:29 PM

If trading a Pam for a Patek was even an option for me I would do it in a heartbeat.
I think the Nautilus is any of it's guises is a fantastic reference.

srvrf · 31 July 2015, 01:19 PM

I got a 40mm PAM 121 a couple of years ago and since then my collection has grown to include higher end watches (AP, VC, BP). The PAM didn't get much wrist time with the AP and VC dominating probably like your Pateks.

But I've gone on a few recent vacations and really found the original love for my PAM again. To me it is a near perfect travel watch. The 12 hour chronograph times all but the longest flights. It is an everyday watch on a casual or rubber strap, or it can be slightly more dressed up on leather. I don't have a bracelet but that's another option. And since mine is 200m WR, the beach is no problem and strap changes are easy. It also flies under the radar so I don't worry as much about it. And now I'm finding that I wear it more regularly as it has cracked the rotation.

So what I guess I'm trying to say is to give it a little time (it doesn't seem like there's a rush) and if the need for a more casual watch just isn't there, sell it. You should have at least a year of warranty so that helps assure any potential buyer. Good luck!

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kilyung · 31 July 2015, 02:46 PM

Naut!

Randy · 1 August 2015, 12:20 PM

Really need to ask Pam over any Patek??

sirish19 · 1 August 2015, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy

Really need to ask Pam over any Patek??

Haha, yeah, it's obviously not even a fair fight, but I posted here in the Panerai forum hoping that someone could convince me that the spark could come back. Some have said just that but the sense of urgency comes from the point that it is currently in mint condition after the overhaul and polishing and I figure this will be the only time that I can actually recoup the money for the overhaul.

I had actually gone through a phase where I was hardly wearing my GMT Master II any more as well as I was mostly wearing the PAM for the beater on the weekends but I seem to be giving the Rolex more wrist time as the PAM still seems too heavy.

My other concern is that the Panerai may lose a lot more of its value as time goes by whereas the Nautilus will hold its value.

GoingPlaces · 1 August 2015, 11:27 PM

No brainer-patek all the way.

sirish19 · 20 August 2015, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirish19

Hi All,

I have had my PAM 328 for a little over 5 years and enjoyed it during the time and bought 8-10 different OEM and aftermarket straps to use interchangeably. Recently, I have been adding higher end pieces to my collection (Patek Annual Calendar and VC Patrimony) and haven't really worn the PAM as much anymore. Also, compared with the rest of the watches in my collection it just wears really bulky and heavy.

Recently, I found that the automatic winding mechanism was not working so took it in for repair, complete overhaul and polish. $1,000 but it came back look brand new and running great.

Now my dilemma is, should I keep it and try to learn to enjoy it like I did once before, or should I just go ahead and sell it now that it is back in mint condition and try to trade up for something better. Recently I tried on the Nautilus 5712 and was amazed at how much more comfortable that felt on my wrist than the PAM.

The 5712 is a lot more coin but think it would fit better with my current collection and hold up more in the long run.

Thoughts?

Hi All, I tried to put this up on the for sale site but since I am living in Japan, PayPal won't let me "donate" in order to become a pledge member. I am going to be in San Diego from Aug 29th-Sep 3rd and I was a wondering if anyone knew any watch dealers in the SD or LA area who might be able to give me a decent price for this watch? Looking for $6,000 USD for the full set.

Thanks.

Stephen

Mastergreenhand · 20 August 2015, 01:11 PM

Pam on a bracelet is super heavy. Do the flip if you can do it.

locutus49 · 20 August 2015, 01:17 PM

OCROLEXGUY is in LA and has an assistant in La Jolla (where I live). He was superb to deal with and will find a way to meet with you. Send him a PM.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirish19

Hi All, I tried to put this up on the for sale site but since I am living in Japan, PayPal won't let me "donate" in order to become a pledge member. I am going to be in San Diego from Aug 29th-Sep 3rd and I was a wondering if anyone knew any watch dealers in the SD or LA area who might be able to give me a decent price for this watch? Looking for $6,000 USD for the full set.

Thanks.

Stephen

Cru Jones · 20 August 2015, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirish19

Hi All, I tried to put this up on the for sale site but since I am living in Japan, PayPal won't let me "donate" in order to become a pledge member.

Try again. There are many international pledge members, including from Japan.

Melvin_arnold · 20 August 2015, 05:12 PM

Get the patek

blcblc · 20 August 2015, 07:21 PM

Patek

SpunkyQ8 · 20 August 2015, 10:21 PM

Patek.. U'd be lucky if u got rid if ur pam, as panerai market seems to be very steady these days

texex91 · 20 August 2015, 11:01 PM

Big change size wise. Depends on your lifestyle. If you like sporty (PAM) you may want to consider AP.

tomcorkery · 21 August 2015, 12:35 AM

i would make the trade. Pams can be added again later.

gummy · 21 August 2015, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by texex91

Big change size wise. Depends on your lifestyle. If you like sporty (PAM) you may want to consider AP.

Agree with Paul on this one.

Love the 5712...5711...and 5980

But trying on a few AP's might be a good move.

I find AP to be a great hybrid between heritage and size.

And they make BadA$$ pieces.

Definitely worth a shot.

AK797 · 21 August 2015, 03:58 AM

Size could be an issue so try on 5980 as well.

Hairdude1 · 21 August 2015, 01:55 PM

Agree with Neil look at the 5980 as well

31 July 2015, 02:46 AM	#1
sirish19 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Real Name: Stephen Location: Tokyo Watch: PP-VC-AP Posts: 1,003	Should I get rid of my PAM and upgrade to a Nautilus Hi All, I have had my PAM 328 for a little over 5 years and enjoyed it during the time and bought 8-10 different OEM and aftermarket straps to use interchangeably. Recently, I have been adding higher end pieces to my collection (Patek Annual Calendar and VC Patrimony) and haven't really worn the PAM as much anymore. Also, compared with the rest of the watches in my collection it just wears really bulky and heavy. Recently, I found that the automatic winding mechanism was not working so took it in for repair, complete overhaul and polish. $1,000 but it came back look brand new and running great. Now my dilemma is, should I keep it and try to learn to enjoy it like I did once before, or should I just go ahead and sell it now that it is back in mint condition and try to trade up for something better. Recently I tried on the Nautilus 5712 and was amazed at how much more comfortable that felt on my wrist than the PAM. The 5712 is a lot more coin but think it would fit better with my current collection and hold up more in the long run. Thoughts? Attached Images __________________

31 July 2015, 12:29 PM	#11
Rogdogg 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Bangkok Posts: 6,124	If trading a Pam for a Patek was even an option for me I would do it in a heartbeat. I think the Nautilus is any of it's guises is a fantastic reference. __________________ Nil Satis Nisi Optimum

20 August 2015, 01:11 PM	#18
Mastergreenhand "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Real Name: Tony Location: Chi-town Watch: Starbucks, Panerai Posts: 1,188	Pam on a bracelet is super heavy. Do the flip if you can do it. __________________ Starbucks, Speedmaster Professional, PAM 212

21 August 2015, 01:55 PM	#28
Hairdude1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Alex Location: Chicago Watch: AP,PP, Rolex Posts: 37,156	Agree with Neil look at the 5980 as well __________________ Instagram: @Hairdude Watches in Collection 5070R, 5522A, 214270 MK1, 228238 16750, 26401, 5711, 116718, 116710LN, 116300, 16710"Coke", 372, 15300, 15703 (All Flipped) Official Member "Perpetual 30" Las Vegas GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member 'WIS-CON' Las Vegas Int'l GTG 2018

31 July 2015, 03:10 AM	#2
locutus49 Banned Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: John Location: La Jolla, CA Watch: Platona Posts: 12,194	Do the trade. Love the 5711 or 12.

31 July 2015, 03:11 AM	#3
ap1 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: usa Posts: 19,536	wow, that looks great and BNIB now. I can relate, I started out as a big PAM fanboy and that has since wanned as I try more watches. That said, I think PAM is a unique look and I recently added one back to use in more casual situations and more as a travel beater. I hear you on comfort and the thickness was my biggest concern, but I feel a PAM is warranted in a 7+ collection. for me anyways.

31 July 2015, 05:30 AM	#5
Cru Jones 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 35,294	If the love is gone, flip. Personally, I've always found the 1950 case Luminors to be too bulky and the bracelet only adds to that sensation.

31 July 2015, 09:07 AM	#8
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	Sell it and buy Patek

31 July 2015, 12:16 PM	#9
alexlt730512 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,248	Buy Patek for sure

31 July 2015, 12:26 PM	#10
tomcorkery "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Tom Corkery Location: westchester ny Watch: ap ro 15400 Posts: 502	would buy the patek also. I to tired of the bulk of the pam after 10 years of wearing them. Sold off most, but just picked up the 580. the weight is great with ceramic. If you feel the need to add a pam after yours is gone, try the ceramic style. Think you will enjoy it.

31 July 2015, 01:19 PM	#12
srvrf 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2013 Real Name: Steve Location: Indiana Watch: PP/AP/VC Posts: 2,156	I got a 40mm PAM 121 a couple of years ago and since then my collection has grown to include higher end watches (AP, VC, BP). The PAM didn't get much wrist time with the AP and VC dominating probably like your Pateks. But I've gone on a few recent vacations and really found the original love for my PAM again. To me it is a near perfect travel watch. The 12 hour chronograph times all but the longest flights. It is an everyday watch on a casual or rubber strap, or it can be slightly more dressed up on leather. I don't have a bracelet but that's another option. And since mine is 200m WR, the beach is no problem and strap changes are easy. It also flies under the radar so I don't worry as much about it. And now I'm finding that I wear it more regularly as it has cracked the rotation. So what I guess I'm trying to say is to give it a little time (it doesn't seem like there's a rush) and if the need for a more casual watch just isn't there, sell it. You should have at least a year of warranty so that helps assure any potential buyer. Good luck! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

31 July 2015, 02:46 PM	#13
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	Naut!

1 August 2015, 12:20 PM	#14
Randy "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Randy Location: Ohio Watch: AP, Rolex, Panerai Posts: 1,241	Really need to ask Pam over any Patek??

1 August 2015, 11:27 PM	#16
GoingPlaces "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 5,356	No brainer-patek all the way.

20 August 2015, 05:12 PM	#21
Melvin_arnold "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Real Name: Melvin Location: Sydney Watch: TV Posts: 392	Get the patek

20 August 2015, 07:21 PM	#22
blcblc "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Somewhere Posts: 2,300	Patek

20 August 2015, 10:21 PM	#23
SpunkyQ8 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: Aj Location: Kuwait Watch: RM,AP,PP,RLX,PAM Posts: 1,056	Patek.. U'd be lucky if u got rid if ur pam, as panerai market seems to be very steady these days

20 August 2015, 11:01 PM	#24
texex91 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: . Posts: 17,898	Big change size wise. Depends on your lifestyle. If you like sporty (PAM) you may want to consider AP.

21 August 2015, 12:35 AM	#25
tomcorkery "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Tom Corkery Location: westchester ny Watch: ap ro 15400 Posts: 502	i would make the trade. Pams can be added again later.

21 August 2015, 03:58 AM	#27
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	Size could be an issue so try on 5980 as well.

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