Thinking to trade my gmt masterIIc with a 3 months old pam321.. What do you think?

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As the title says... What do you think of this trade?

[Watch This]

Bad idea.

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Originally Posted by Watch This

Bad idea.

Why?

[Cru Jones]

If you're tired of the GMTIIc and are okay with the thickness of the 1950s case (as compared to other OP cases), why not? It's a fun change that opens up limitless strap options.

[Watch This]

Just from a personal perspective I bought and sold my gmt2c twice. And for a trifecta I then bought a blnr which I have and love. I also have a Pam 422. If I had to let one go it would be the Pam. The gmt2c is the best sport watch in the current rolex line. I haven't bought the same watch 3 times ever before. That's how bad I missed it. Just my perspective. The gmt is more versatile. Both are great. Being able to switch off eliminates the desire to flip.
The gmt2c is a special piece.

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Originally Posted by Watch This

Just from a personal perspective I bought and sold my gmt2c twice. And for a trifecta I then bought a blnr which I have and love. I also have a Pam 422. If I had to let one go it would be the Pam. The gmt2c is the best sport watch in the current rolex line. I haven't bought the same watch 3 times ever before. That's how bad I missed it. Just my perspective. The gmt is more versatile. Both are great. Being able to switch off eliminates the desire to flip.
The gmt2c is a special piece.

I bought my gmt IIc at 2009.. It's been 6 years and I am alittle bit tired of it.. Hulk stays on my wrist most of the time... And I want to live the adventure of endless strap choices of pam and also this pam has a gmt function which I need as I am an aviator.. And I am looking forward to get a panerai for a long time.. And this seems to be a good opportunity for me..

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[Cru Jones]

If you want a PAM GMT, also consider the 233 or 88.

[Watch This]

88 preowneds are a steal. Keep the gmt2c.

[Psmith]

Why not - you'll still have a couple of Rolex models, and then you can have a ton of fun with straps & buckles.

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Originally Posted by Watch This

88 preowneds are a steal. Keep the gmt2c.

I don't like the crowded dial of 88s.. All I need is a gmt hand a date wheel and a power reserve gauge.. I wish it had a domed bezel but thats ok for me.. It is so new.. 3 months old.. And I think trading without giving any money over my 7 years old gmt is a good deal..

[WristEnvy]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE 0 SE7EN

I don't like the crowded dial of 88s.. All I need is a gmt hand a date wheel and a power reserve gauge.. I wish it had a domed bezel but thats ok for me.. It is so new.. 3 months old.. And I think trading without giving any money over my 7 years old gmt is a good deal..

Sounds like you made your decision?

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Originally Posted by WristEnvy

Sounds like you made your decision?

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Not a final decision given.. Just wanna hear some different recommendations..

[Preeble]

I don't think it is a great deal - used Panerai models have suffered a significant decrease in value over the past year - some of it has to do with the financial markets, but some of it certainly has do with the Panerai bubble bursting - way too many models with prices that are way too high.

I would think you can negotiate a better deal. Not that watches are investments, but I would think that your Rolex will have more value than the Panerai in 5 years.

[Watch This]

Originally Posted by Preeble

I don't think it is a great deal - used Panerai models have suffered a significant decrease in value over the past year - some of it has to do with the financial markets, but some of it certainly has do with the Panerai bubble bursting - way too many models with prices that are way too high.

I would think you can negotiate a better deal. Not that watches are investments, but I would think that your Rolex will have more value than the Panerai in 5 years.

This as well 100%. I wanted the 422 so badly that I paid US 11,200 plus tax in Miami when it first came out. I would be lucky to get 7500 now. The PAM 321 is not exactly flying off the shelves. So...if you did a straight up trade you are essentially aquiring a piece that has less value than the one you got rid of.

[Watch This]

By the way I also owned an 88. Got more compliments on that one than any other watch I have ever worn. I would like to own one again at some point but the date magnification always bothered me.

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Originally Posted by Watch This

This as well 100%. I wanted the 422 so badly that I paid US 11,200 plus tax in Miami when it first came out. I would be lucky to get 7500 now. The PAM 321 is not exactly flying off the shelves. So...if you did a straight up trade you are essentially aquiring a piece that has less value than the one you got rid of.

But 6 years ago I bought my gmt for 6500 usd .. Now I will get 3 month old pam321 for 6500 usd. The retail price of the pam is 10000usd. I think I am not loosing any money. And if I get tired of it I am sure I can sell it maybe a few hundred dollars less.. Am I right? I really need your thoughts and advices.. Because at the used watch market they pay 6000 usd to my gmt.. I think it is a good deal.. But first off all I have to see the watch live in hand ..

[Soulspawn]

You say that the gmt function is important for you, but doesnt the pam321's gmt function lack an am pm indicator? Ie. It's a 12 hour gmt indicator. Might want to factor that into your decision.

I don't think it's a great deal to be honest... Rather keep the Rolex and save up for the pam (even a pam000 is a great entry point into the word of straps!)


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Originally Posted by Soulspawn

You say that the gmt function is important for you, but doesnt the pam321's gmt function lack an am pm indicator? Ie. It's a 12 hour gmt indicator. Might want to factor that into your decision.

I don't think it's a great deal to be honest... Rather keep the Rolex and save up for the pam (even a pam000 is a great entry point into the word of straps!)


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OMG, you all want me to keep the gmt... but the 000 lacks of the sandwich dial and the in house movement... And the am pm indicator is useless for me .. Because when I am at the east I know that my home town is minus hours of the city I've been .. The only thing that makes me think of getting the 321 is the lack of domed dial...

[ap1]

I'd keep Rolex. FYI, I picked up 535 and I didn't really think about how 12 hour gmt isn't as good as 24 hours, I wind up hiding the gmt hand behind the hour hand but it doesn't fit hidden perfectly.

[B. Doggy]

If you have another Rolex then a PAM might be a good choice. Have you considered a 233...particularly a dot dial? Buy at the right price and you are solid. It checks all the boxes for your needs.

[Urosfan]

Originally Posted by b. Doggy

if you have another rolex then a pam might be a good choice. Have you considered a 233...particularly a dot dial? Buy at the right price and you are solid. It checks all the boxes for your needs.

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[Lemarp]

I have owned the 88 in the past and while it was a very nice watch, I think you'd be right in stepping up to a 1950's case version for the following upgrades: 1) Sandwich dial, 2) Less crowded layout, 3) No date magnification, 4) Display back, 5) 1950's case.

Like others have said, i'd go with the PAM 320 because I don't like the PR indicator but even better, step up to the 233 for the domed crystal, AM/PM indicator, and more clean PR indicator. Just beware that if you go with the older 'dot' dial 233, some have had issues with the PR indicator sticking. That said, if I was to get one for a long time, it would be a 233 with the more desirable dot dial.

Funny because years ago, I was deciding between the GMTII-C and 351. Never regretted the PAM because it really is the 'fun' watch of the collection for lack of better words due to the strap options.

[Preeble]

I have no problem trading a Rolex for a PAM - it just needs to be a trade of similar value. Retail prices of non-SE PAMs are meaningless in this free-fall PAM market. I like the 321, but I also like the 233. I have the 88 (it was my first PAM), but I understand that your preference is for the 321 over the 88.

However, in terms of value, I think the 88 and 321 are the same (how valuable is the in-house movement anyway??). PAM 88s can be had in the $4500-$5000 price range very easily. As such, I would value the 321 the same. Thus, you should look to get at least $1000 back.

[Soulspawn]

Originally Posted by DOUBLE 0 SE7EN

OMG, you all want me to keep the gmt... but the 000 lacks of the sandwich dial and the in house movement... And the am pm indicator is useless for me .. Because when I am at the east I know that my home town is minus hours of the city I've been .. The only thing that makes me think of getting the 321 is the lack of domed dial...

Hmmm. Sounds like your heart is set on trading the gmt ii for something a little more fun, and i think your choice of a Pam is excellent.

Definitely try it out in the steel and see if it fits. It's a much taller watch than a Rolex.




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Originally Posted by Preeble

I have no problem trading a Rolex for a PAM - it just needs to be a trade of similar value. Retail prices of non-SE PAMs are meaningless in this free-fall PAM market. I like the 321, but I also like the 233. I have the 88 (it was my first PAM), but I understand that your preference is for the 321 over the 88.

However, in terms of value, I think the 88 and 321 are the same (how valuable is the in-house movement anyway??). PAM 88s can be had in the $4500-$5000 price range very easily. As such, I would value the 321 the same. Thus, you should look to get at least $1000 back.

So do you think a 233's Domed sapphire can be applied to pam321?

[Frendrick]

if you doubt the 321 for lacking the dome, the 233 would fit your criteria for sure. The 233's dome is superb, and I like the manual winding 8days movement better than PAM's automatic which seems too bulky on hand. You should try it on your wrist, because it will sit a lot different than rolex in your hand.

Value-wise, rolex for sure will keep value a lot better than PAM. But PAM will be a lot of fun than rolex which I think is more "boring" because of the strap option.

Btw, from all your rolex collection, I will swap the explorer for PAM than the gmt2c for pam. The explorer just doesn't ever click on my eyes.

[Btdd05]

Keep the Rolex !! So disgusted with the recent Pam market . they are suffering big time , but they were over priced to begin with . Have a good friend who is in upper management with Tourneau and he said the same thing $ 9000 for an in house movement . I think the pam market will be soft for some time . Got rid of mine !!!!!!!

[Psmith]

Originally Posted by ap1

I'd keep Rolex. FYI, I picked up 535 and I didn't really think about how 12 hour gmt isn't as good as 24 hours, I wind up hiding the gmt hand behind the hour hand but it doesn't fit hidden perfectly.

Love that dial

[Mastergreenhand]

I would not do that trade. Pams value have plummeted on the 2nd hand market. The bubble certainly has burst IMHO. Keep the Rolex, and buy a cheap 2nd hand 000 005 or 111, 112. That's all you really need to enjoy a Pam. That 1950s watch case is too damn thick. The movement wobbles whenever you move your arm swiftly. If you're bored of the Rolex, I would either swap for another Rolex model, or go in a different direction, like JLC. They also have nice straps for changing.