Broken heart

[Jackxv]

The first problems with the Tudor have appeared in Germany.

the above posts.....


Jack

[swatty]

Originally Posted by Jackxv

The first problems with the Tudor have appeared in Germany.

the above posts.....


Jack

[psv]

I've been pretty happy with the 7750-movements I've come across. Not buying this Tudor Heritage thing, esp not at the $4,700 pricepoint they are fetching in the US and I'm certainly no fan of a $5,000 watch with a $100 ETA movement in it.

[Jackxv]

The module seems to be giving problems.



Jack

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Jackxv

My heart was broken today :

The new Tudor Chrono is equipped with a Eta 2892 with a DD 2054 module.

The watch is assembled and testes in the Rolex facility.

I'll pass on this one, don't like the module and its service possibilities.

Well first cannot understand why the ETA 2892/3 is one of the finest and most accurate movements on this planet today and has powered many a high end watch.The New Rolex Tudor Heritage Chrono with the ETA 2892 and the Dubois-dépraz module.

Lets not forget most of your ETA movements come in 5 grades its the top grade that Rolex will uses in all of the Tudor line, and that will be a lot more expensive than the standard ETA range.Now I would agree it takes a real watchmaker to service any watch with the Dubois-dépraz module.My watchmaker friend stated he had only seen one with a problem and he has serviced quite a few.Now In the module it self all the main wheels are well over engineered and at least five times thicker and stronger than in most normal movements, plus all pushers, heart cams, and pivots are well over engineered. And the module finish work on all internal parts are too a very high standard.IMHO even the polishing of heart cam sides for hammer function is exceptional to a very high standard of finish IMHO is better than Rolex own movement finish.


IMHO if they are properly serviced these modules will last a lifetime of usage.Don't assume all chrono modules are equal,now these modules are quite expensive,and should be service with watchmakers who has the credentials and tools to service them.IMHO you are looking at an well over engineered Formula one car engine module for the wristwatch. But if a say local watchmaker takes your module apart and damages a part, he will have trouble getting it from the manufacturer.These Dubois-dépraz module need precise oiling,plus wheel height and jewel adjustments.Plus the end shake of wheel adjustments and of course the driving wheel seating position from the base 2892 calibre gear must mesh to the module properly, and this is a very tedious task.This is why they have a bad name in the watch service industry not because they are a bad chrono module. Its because they need proper care and service with the correct oils and greece etc.IMHO its a fine chrono module with the excellent ETA 2892 and cannot see any reason with proper service to last a life time and beyond, myself would have no problem buying one.And I would not think that Rolex would have put this combination, into any Rolex Tudor watch if they thought it would ever be a problem movement.Lets not forget Rolex used ebauche chronograph movements from ETA Valjoux for decades and today some of the most expensive Rolex watches today don't even have a Rolex made movement inside.

[dsio]

Isn't the AP ROO a standard movement by JLC with a Dubois-dépraz piggyback module? That's like an order of magnitude greater in price and people still pay for it.

[Alive]

Valgranges ETA A07.211 would have been to best base for this watch, this is a very good movement witch is durable and runs very accurate. I know that Logines does use it in their current Admiral series, i belive thoose watches retail in the 3000-4000$ range.
I do not know witch grade they use, i only know that they do not have the Chronometer-grade.

To me this would have been ther perfect movement in this Tudor.

And by the way, Hello! this is my first post on this great forum! :)
ps. been lurking for a while and hopefully soon to be a Rolex owner!

[Tunacan26]

This movement stuff is all way above my head, but essentially might be leading me into choosing a new Omega Speedmaster chrono over a pre-owned (LNIB) tudor chrono. BUT, I like the appearance of the Tudor better....RATS!

[chris russell]

to use a modified Daytona movement or a specially-developed in-house movement. Then of course it would cost $9500 like the Daytona. Would that be preferable?

The whole point of the Tudor line of watches is to provide a lower-price alternative by using high-quality cases with a serviceable generic movement. Although the 'guts' of the Heritage Chrono may look a bit unambitious, it is completely in line with the philosophy Tudor has always followed.

[chris russell]

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Jackxv

The first problems with the Tudor have appeared in Germany.

the above posts.....


Jack

Originally Posted by Jackxv

The module seems to be giving problems.



Jack

After asking two times via PM for any evidence with these problems with the Tudor chronograph and none was given.Only that a German AD stated the module could have problems.In my experience its only a problem for watchmakers who cannot work on this Dubois-dépraz module.Like I stated in previous post if any problems it needs proper care and attention and precise setting up .And thats why mainly they have by some a bad name.But I am 100% sure that Rolex would not put anything in there watches that they could not handle correctly if there was ever a problem.

[swatty]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well first cannot understand why the ETA 2892/3 is one of the finest and most accurate movements on this planet today and has powered many a high end watch.The New Rolex Tudor Heritage Chrono with the ETA 2892 and the Dubois-dépraz module.

Lets not forget most of your ETA movements come in 5 grades its the top grade that Rolex will uses in all of the Tudor line, and that will be a lot more expensive than the standard ETA range.Now I would agree it takes a real watchmaker to service any watch with the Dubois-dépraz module.My watchmaker friend stated he had only seen one with a problem and he has serviced quite a few.Now In the module it self all the main wheels are well over engineered and at least five times thicker and stronger than in most normal movements, plus all pushers, heart cams, and pivots are well over engineered. And the module finish work on all internal parts are too a very high standard.IMHO even the polishing of heart cam sides for hammer function is exceptional to a very high standard of finish IMHO is better than Rolex own movement finish.


IMHO if they are properly serviced these modules will last a lifetime of usage.Don't assume all chrono modules are equal,now these modules are quite expensive,and should be service with watchmakers who has the credentials and tools to service them.IMHO you are looking at an well over engineered Formula one car engine module for the wristwatch. But if a say local watchmaker takes your module apart and damages a part, he will have trouble getting it from the manufacturer.These Dubois-dépraz module need precise oiling,plus wheel height and jewel adjustments.Plus the end shake of wheel adjustments and of course the driving wheel seating position from the base 2892 calibre gear must mesh to the module properly, and this is a very tedious task.This is why they have a bad name in the watch service industry not because they are a bad chrono module. Its because they need proper care and service with the correct oils and greece etc.IMHO its a fine chrono module with the excellent ETA 2892 and cannot see any reason with proper service to last a life time and beyond, myself would have no problem buying one.And I would not think that Rolex would have put this combination, into any Rolex Tudor watch if they thought it would ever be a problem movement.Lets not forget Rolex used ebauche chronograph movements from ETA Valjoux for decades and today some of the most expensive Rolex watches today don't even have a Rolex made movement inside.

Originally Posted by padi56

After asking two times via PM for any evidence with these problems with the Tudor chronograph and none was given.Only that a German AD stated the module could have problems.In my experience its only a problem for watchmakers who cannot work on this Dubois-dépraz module.Like I stated in previous post if any problems it needs proper care and attention and precise setting up .And thats why mainly they have by some a bad name.But I am 100% sure that Rolex would not put anything in there watches that they could not handle correctly if there was ever a problem.

Well said Padi, I purchased a Tudor Heritage last Friday and so far its more accurate than the Rolex's I own It's truly is a stunning watch, if it needs more servicing down the track, so be it, its not a watch I'm going to wear everyday. Anyway instead or servicing it may be cheaper to just replace the "$100 movement" as someone stated earlier in the thread

[padi56]

Originally Posted by swatty

Well said Padi, I purchased a Tudor Heritage last Friday and so far its more accurate than the Rolex's I own It's truly is a stunning watch, if it needs more servicing down the track, so be it, its not a watch I'm going to wear everyday. Anyway instead or servicing it may be cheaper to just replace the "$100 movement" as someone stated earlier in the thread

There is a misconception with ETA movements most come in 5 grades,sure the bottom grade will be far cheaper.But the chronometer version that the high end watch brands use will be almost 3-4 times as much,and the Dubois-dépraz module is quite expensive in its own right.Its not that it will need more servicing it will need proper and correct servicing by someone thats experience in the Dubois-dépraz module its that simple.

[swatty]

Originally Posted by padi56

There is a misconception with ETA movements most come in 5 grades,sure the bottom grade will be far cheaper.But the chronometer version that the high end watch brands use will be almost 3-4 times as much,and the Dubois-dépraz module is quite expensive in its own right.Its not that it will need more servicing it will need proper and correct servicing by someone thats experience in the Dubois-dépraz module its that simple.
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I know, I was having a bit of a dig at a previous post, I'm tickled pink with my purchase

[padi56]

Originally Posted by swatty

I know, I was having a bit of a dig at a previous post, I'm tickled pink with my purchase

Have to agree its a fine looking watch even the packaging looks great.

[Changmaisausage]

We had all these scare threads early on when the Heritage burst on to the scene.

If you dont want to buy one because of the movement then dont! The response from most forum members is WHERE & WHEN CAN I GET ONE.

Still waiting on mine!

[kilyung]

hear hear. I believe AP replaced the JLC sourced base in their watches with in-house but kept the DD module (I think it's the 2020). If it's good enough for AP, then it should be good enough for us.

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by Changmaisausage

We had all these scare threads early on when the Heritage burst on to the scene.

If you dont want to buy one because of the movement then dont! The response from most forum members is WHERE & WHEN CAN I GET ONE.

Still waiting on mine!

Not sure they are scare threads as much as real world experience from many watchmakers, including mine.

However, if padi is correct and these are over engineered movements without the downside seen in previous examples then it might be a moot point. Hope it is as it's a stunning piece that I'd like to own as well when the fever dies down.

Again, kudos to Tudor for capturing the attention of the WIS community with a bold design that incorporates the best of old and new.
dP

[swatty]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Not sure they are scare threads as much as real world experience from many watchmakers, including mine.

However, if padi is correct and these are over engineered movements without the downside seen in previous examples then it might be a moot point. Hope it is as it's a stunning piece that I'd like to own as well when the fever dies down.

Again, kudos to Tudor for capturing the attention of the WIS community with a bold design that incorporates the best of old and new.
dP

I hope Padi is right as well Dan . All I can say that so far this is the most accurate watch I own 14 days +8secs

PS: And its stunning on the wrist

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Not sure they are scare threads as much as real world experience from many watchmakers, including mine.

However, if padi is correct and these are over engineered movements without the downside seen in previous examples then it might be a moot point. Hope it is as it's a stunning piece that I'd like to own as well when the fever dies down.

Again, kudos to Tudor for capturing the attention of the WIS community with a bold design that incorporates the best of old and new.
dP

Well yes Dan there have been problems with the Dubois-dépraz module the main problem is many watchmakers don't know how to service them,yes they are difficult to work on and need very precise setting up.But I am 100% that Rolex would not have chosen this particular set without having all the facilities to service and work on these Dubois-dépraz modules.

Originally Posted by chris russell

to use a modified Daytona movement or a specially-developed in-house movement. Then of course it would cost $9500 like the Daytona. Would that be preferable?

The whole point of the Tudor line of watches is to provide a lower-price alternative by using high-quality cases with a serviceable generic movement. Although the 'guts' of the Heritage Chrono may look a bit unambitious, it is completely in line with the philosophy Tudor has always followed.

Would agree to a point but the main thing in the cost of any movement all brands is the actual design and then the tooling up to make that movement.Once thats done you could churn them out like say the cal 3135,but lets not forget Rolex did not make its own chronograph movement till 2000.For almost 50 years they relied on ETA Valjoux for ebauche movements then later a modified Zenith El-Primo ebauche.

[Lol-x]

Thanks Peter for providing some cogent details to your analysis.

[Jackxv]

As starter of the thread I'll stay away from it for a while.

I was asked by Padi for proof of the problem, something SA will never give.
A well known member of the German RF was told by an AD there were problems though watches were fixed fast.

http://www.r-l-x.de/wbb2/thread.php?...user=0&page=10

Maga 8500 posts.

Jack

[swatty]

Originally Posted by Jackxv

As starter of the thread I'll stay away from it for a while.

I was asked by Padi for proof of the problem, something SA will never give.
A well known member of the German RF was told by an AD there were problems though watches were fixed fast.

http://www.r-l-x.de/wbb2/thread.php?...user=0&page=10

Maga 8500 posts.

Jack

Seems he made one post saying that any watch that has a defect within 14 days will be replaced, not have to wait for repair. Sounds like good business practice to me.
Now have any been returned ?

[Billythekid]

Sorry for bumping this old thread but the thing is i had put off a purchase of carl f bucherer chronodate after reading sone comments about the 2892 with dd module as almost everone said it would give problems but after reading this thread i guess its not much of an issue and i am going ahead with my decision to buy the carl f b as its a beautiful watch
Also are there any updates by tudor owners on any issues faced by the DD module