Apple's stand against the Feds

[hdms]

What do you guys think about Tim Cook's stand on user data privacy against FBI requesting for access? Here's the letter that Tim Cook posted.

http://www.apple.com/customer-letter/

[mfer]

I agree fully with Mr. Cook.

[Thatguy]

Originally Posted by mfer

I agree fully with Mr. Cook.

This!


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[Kneecough]

I completely agree with Mr. Cook's view on this matter.

[Peter11]

I am glad they are willing to stand up to the federal government on this issue. I hope they can continue standing.

[vitalsignsrn]

Pretty heavy. I agree completely with him. Tim Cook has been rather diplomatic when he says that the government has well intentions. Gotta read between the lines here. :-/

[daveathall]

Why doesn't the FBI just ask Apple to give them the info they want from that particular phone rather than give them a way of defeating all iPhones?

[TheBluePrince]

Apple can use all the pretty words they want but they are supporting a murderous terrorist, end of. A disgusting company through and through just like it's founder.

[Lol-x]

Apple can't even ship a new Macbook to me in downtown LA within 10 days
It has to come from China and that takes 12 days, you can't even buy a fairly standard model in their shops...
Their customer care needs big improvements.....
I had to find out myself, if I got a re-firb it would be delivered next day no one at Apple could suggest that to me.
The guys at Apple hardly know their head from their posterior

OK rant off~

PS> Anyone turns this thread into political and they will be banned forever, just so we are all clear.

Thank you for your co-operation and have a good day (as they say at Apple).

[mfer]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Apple can't even ship a new Macbook to me in downtown LA within 10 days
It has to come from China and that takes 12 days, you can't even buy a fairly standard model in their shops...
Their customer care needs big improvements.....
I had to find out myself, if I got a re-firb it would be delivered next day no one at Apple could suggest that to me.
The guys at Apple hardly know their head from their posterior

OK rant off~

PS> Anyone turns this thread into political and they will be banned forever, just so we are all clear.

Thank you for your co-operation and have a good day (as they say at Apple).

Don't order direct from Apple. Plenty of resellers out there that have them in stock and at a discount. I don't recommend going bare bones though. Get the memory upgrade for sure. I went 2.9ghz/512gb/12gb. Couldn't be happier.

[mtrunner]

What I can't believe is the FBI doesn't have the technical skills to get into these phones?

[Lol-x]

Originally Posted by mfer

Don't order direct from Apple. Plenty of resellers out there that have them in stock and at a discount. I don't recommend going bare bones though. Get the memory upgrade for sure. I went 2.9ghz/512gb/12gb. Couldn't be happier.

I got Retina Mbook Pro 3.1/i7/512gb/16gb

My business contract says I'm due a new one every year, but this is my first in 4 years so everyone is happy!!!

[dera]

Can we see the actual "demand" somewhere?

[Lol-x]

What I like here in the US of A is that the Highway Patrol always have marked cars, back home Down Under (the a## end of the world) the police have unmarked undercover covert vehicles which sneak up on you and POW!! 5mph over the limit $200 thank you very much Sir!!!

However, in matters of national security covert activity is quite possibly a justifiable exception but sometimes the means does not justify the end. We should ensure that our rights and liberties are maintained. Just my

Be safe people!!!

[rr-nyc]

Originally Posted by Peter11

I am glad they are willing to stand up to the federal government on this issue. I hope they can continue standing.

Exactly. This has implications far beyond Apple and anyone that doesn't see that is naive or blind.

[TheBluePrince]

What if this terrorists phone has details in it of other terrorists that the FBI (nor anyone) doesn't know about? What if those terrorists go on to kill 10,000 people in a massive attack that would have been prevented if Apple played ball and helped the FBI crack the phone?

Would you all still be yay Apple?

You're on the side of the good guys or you're helping terrorists. Apple are helping terrorists.

[mfer]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

I got Retina Mbook Pro 3.1/i7/512gb/16gb

My business contract says I'm due a new one every year, but this is my first in 4 years so everyone is happy!!!

Nice. I should correct I meant 16gb memory. Running parallels and Windows10 vm. Best laptop to run Windows is a mbp!

Ok, back to topic, encryption good!

[The Joker]

Cant they just take it to one of these shops, sure they could unlock it.

[rr-nyc]

Originally Posted by TheBluePrince

Apple can use all the pretty words they want but they are supporting a murderous terrorist, end of. A disgusting company through and through just like it's founder.

This was almost too stupid of a comment to dignify a response but I just cant help myself.

In your wildest imagination, how are you able to call Apple a supporter a terrorist when they are choosing to protect the privacy of MILLIONS OF PEOPLE worldwide over a terrorist who's been dead for 2 1/2 months?

We have civil liberties in the country. Once you give the Government a master key to all the locks, you have no privacy and will never get it back.

[subtona]

I am inclined to believe the back door already exists

Just as I am sure that my picture is being taken through the lens of this iPad at this moment.

[dera]

Originally Posted by TheBluePrince

What if this terrorists phone has details in it of other terrorists that the FBI (nor anyone) doesn't know about? What if those terrorists go on to kill 10,000 people in a massive attack that would have been prevented if Apple played ball and helped the FBI crack the phone?

Would you all still be yay Apple?

You're on the side of the good guys or you're helping terrorists. Apple are helping terrorists.

Which one do you value more? Freedom of speech and privacy, or <insert price of the other option here>?
I guess that is the big question. I believe anyone would value the freedom higher than any perceived value gained from the other option.

Apple - seemingly - are doing OK here. But I'd still like to see the actual "demand" that they received just to see this is not just another attempt on cheap publicity from Mr. Cook.

[Tri-Tip]

Originally Posted by daveathall

Why doesn't the FBI just ask Apple to give them the info they want from that particular phone rather than give them a way of defeating all iPhones?

They could work together, Apple cracks the phone open, FBI takes a copy of the data, and the phone is destroyed. Technology to crack the phone never leaves Apple. I'm sure they already have the back door to do this.

Originally Posted by TheBluePrince

Apple can use all the pretty words they want but they are supporting a murderous terrorist, end of. A disgusting company through and through just like it's founder.

Maybe not supporting, but protecting.

Originally Posted by mtrunner

What I can't believe is the FBI doesn't have the technical skills to get into these phones?

I agree.

Originally Posted by TheBluePrince

What if this terrorists phone has details in it of other terrorists that the FBI (nor anyone) doesn't know about? What if those terrorists go on to kill 10,000 people in a massive attack that would have been prevented if Apple played ball and helped the FBI crack the phone?

Would you all still be yay Apple?

You're on the side of the good guys or you're helping terrorists. Apple are helping terrorists.

I agree with this too.

[TheBluePrince]

Originally Posted by rr-nyc

This was almost too stupid of a comment to dignify a response but I just cant help myself.

In your wildest imagination, how are you able to call Apple a supporter a terrorist when they are choosing to protect the privacy of MILLIONS OF PEOPLE worldwide over a terrorist who's been dead for 2 1/2 months?

We have civil liberties in the country. Once you give the Government a master key to all the locks, you have no privacy and will never get it back.

Like I said I hope this dead terrorists phone isn't full of the details of other terrorists, I hope those other terrorists don't go on to kill thousands of people.

[TheBluePrince]

Originally Posted by subtona

I am inclined to believe the back door already exists

Just as I am sure that my picture is being taken through the lens of this iPad at this moment.

Not mine, i put a fresh bit of gum on it every day!

Low tech FTW

[rr-nyc]

Originally Posted by TheBluePrince

What if this terrorists phone has details in it of other terrorists that the FBI (nor anyone) doesn't know about? What if those terrorists go on to kill 10,000 people in a massive attack that would have been prevented if Apple played ball and helped the FBI crack the phone?

Would you all still be yay Apple?

You're on the side of the good guys or you're helping terrorists. Apple are helping terrorists.

Yep, I would out of principle and then blame the intelligence community for not doing their jobs. The CIA and DHS have a blank check to fight terrorism so it's not Apple preventing them from doing their jobs. And if you think terrorists are using iphone that sync to a cloud to store their master terrorists plans, you're not very bright.

[dera]

Originally Posted by mtrunner

What I can't believe is the FBI doesn't have the technical skills to get into these phones?

They do, the problem is that it would take a few hundred thousand years to break through the encryption.
One-way encryption is not about technical skills, it's about computing power.

[TheBluePrince]

Originally Posted by rr-nyc

Yep, I would out of principle and then blame the intelligence community for not doing their jobs. The CIA and DHS have a blank check to fight terrorism so it's not Apple preventing them from doing their jobs. And if you think terrorists are using iphone that sync to a cloud to store their master terrorists plans, you're not very bright.

They're doing their jobs by trying to access the phone. It is a potential goldmine of intelligence. This terrorist didn't seem too bright, who knows what he's left on the device. Just contacts, messages, pictures, locations he's been to could lead to more and more discoveries. I think terrorists like this stopped having big Dr.Evil style master plans floating around some time ago now but from small seeds do big investigations grow.

[Lol-x]

Originally Posted by mfer

Nice. I should correct I meant 16gb memory. Running parallels and Windows10 vm. Best laptop to run Windows is a mbp!

Ok, back to topic, encryption good!

I want to run parallels too!!!, but you should have got 16gb...You know you needed that right bro (only joking).
Parallels is where a window opens up within OSX and that window is essentially the Windows10 environment....is that right?

[rr-nyc]

Originally Posted by TheBluePrince

They're doing their jobs by trying to access the phone. It is a potential goldmine of intelligence. This terrorist didn't seem too bright, who knows what he's left on the device. Just contacts, messages, pictures, locations he's been to could lead to more and more discoveries. I think terrorists like this stopped having big Dr.Evil style master plans floating around some time ago now but from small seeds do big investigations grow.

I'd rather have my privacy through encryption that the Government doesn't have access to nor should have access to.

I'd support Apple taking the phone and pulling the data and handing it to the FBI but for Apple to cower and create a key or backdoor is a precedent people will regret forever. Whether the San Bernadino shooter has any ground breaking information about another attack on his phone is not the issue but the FBI is using it as an opportunity to force apple into giving access to its encryption

[The Joker]

Originally Posted by daveathall

Why doesn't the FBI just ask Apple to give them the info they want from that particular phone rather than give them a way of defeating all iPhones?

They are, but Apple say they cannot defeat just one phone currently, without writing a new IOS, effectivity making a backdoor to the iPhone. Yes it would just be used on this one phone, but would they be able to keep this out the wrong hands?

Originally Posted by mtrunner

What I can't believe is the FBI doesn't have the technical skills to get into these phones?

If they did they would of done it by now. Sounds like the iPhones encryption is really good, have you heard anyone beat it yet. 10 guesses and the phone is wiped.

Personally I think Apple should just do it or help in anyway they can. Deal with consequences later. Don't care much for the privacy of millions of people, what has everyone got to hide?