...Springer and Orchi...one more time..

[tudorman8276]

....gentleman, this band has all fake links. The ONLY thing that MAY be genuine is the buckle/clasp and ends. Fakes are folded in the center (like the one listed) and some even have nylon inserts instead of metal.


http://cgi.ebay.com/60s-Rolex-Steel-...QQcmdZViewItem

[springer]

I have a bag of band parts purchased from an authorized dealer's son who retired over 25 years ago. I purchased the items from the son after his mother died. There are many band pieces - folded in the middle and folded off-center. I have one I'm looking at now, 7835, 19mm, folded in the center. Definately not fake, it is old and not refinished. Almost as old as me. LOL

[Terry Newton]

Stan:

I reported it.

Terry Newton

[springer]

Stan, I looked at that band again, I see it is a 19mm (see my other reply regarding 19mmm band pieces that I have). In looking at the photos, under magnification, it is pretty beat-up, old and stretched - definately been around for a few decades. I don't see it as fake, but anything could be possible I guess.

[stevemulholland3]

those links are real.I dont know about the clasp.

[Terry Newton]

Well Blow's Me Down Says POPEYE to OLIVEOIL; I done already reported it so it should be an invalid soon.

Terry Newton

[stevemulholland3]

a ga-ga-ga-ga!

[springer]

That is one nice clasp Steve. Wish all my old vintage clasps were that nice.

[tudorman8276]

Originally Posted by springer

I have a bag of band parts purchased from an authorized dealer's son who retired over 25 years ago. I purchased the items from the son after his mother died. There are many band pieces - folded in the middle and folded off-center. I have one I'm looking at now, 7835, 19mm, folded in the center. Definately not fake, it is old and not refinished. Almost as old as me. LOL

John, the band in questionis a Rivit. Rolex USA and Swiss RIVIT bands NEVER had folds in the center.

Stan.

[stevemulholland3]

well stan if your 100% sure I believe you-I had a couple of vintage bands that where exactly like that a few years ago-maybe they where not right either.
I will have to send you pictures before I buy any more.so many different styles.

[Orchi]

Err buddies...sorry for late response...as Orchi was out whole day on field work...

Orchi would have to agree with buddy Stan on this one...on the same contention that genuine riveted bracelet links that Orchi has seen before...would NOT be folded to the middle portion of the links...be it 19mm or 20mm...in SS or 2T or 14K Gold...unless otherwise...in the case of oyster folded links bracelet 7835(19mm) or 7836(20mm)...on which the links would be folded to the middle portion...precisely.






Sorry but those riveted bracelet links n endlinks("62" fake)...are FAKES in Orchi's opinion...with an exception of what looks to be genuine buckle/clasps which would be a mismatch to begin with...(should be crown on edge of buckle).

As for the endlinks...there should be either "57 or 71" for 19mm...

Orchi have seen endlinks "60/61/71/72/74"(19mm)...but never "62" yet...

[springer]

some different opinions here. hmmmmm

[Orchi]

Originally Posted by springer

some different opinions here. hmmmmm

Err buddies...these are not 19mm...but similarly with 20mm...the genuine Swiss Made riveted bracelet links(non extendable) should be looking like this...from 1954 to 1967...

[Orchi]

Err buddies...here's another pictures of a beautiful 7206 Bracelet n 80 endlinks...courtesy of buddy Michael M



n this here is 19mm 7205 Bracelet 57 endlinks...by buddy Sven from VRF...



n this one here is 19mm RARE in good condition...6635 extendable or stretch bracelet...by buddy
Dennio3 of VRF...

[springer]

Stan, the band I mentioned- 7835 - is a folded link. The one in question on ebay, rivet, appears pretty old. Back then the bands cost around $25 I believe. Could the center links have been replaced on this band...possible. Could they be genuine, possible, could they have been replaced, possible. Was somebody counterfeiting the center links for those bands 30 years ago, I doubt it. Could somebody have added them recently and aged them, possible. Does it make the band fake, not in my opinion. Not any more than a replacement crystal, or adding diamonds to a dial makes a Rolex a fake. The clasp and ends of the rivets look genuine to me, nothing there indicates they are reproductions or fake.

I can't speak to whether all the center links on these rivet bands were folded in the middle, but the greatest majority of them seem to have them that way. That is prima facie evidence that they all probably had them.

If the center links were replaced at some time, I don't see anything that was done to pass it off as fake. Now, if somebody here can say that got it direct from Rolex that the rivet bands always all had center-folded links, then that would be the Rosetta Stone. But that "ain't gonna happen."

[tudorman8276]

Originally Posted by springer

Stan, the band I mentioned- 7835 - is a folded link. The one in question on ebay, rivet, appears pretty old. Back then the bands cost around $25 I believe. Could the center links have been replaced on this band...possible. Could they be genuine, possible, could they have been replaced, possible. Was somebody counterfeiting the center links for those bands 30 years ago, I doubt it. Could somebody have added them recently and aged them, possible. Does it make the band fake, not in my opinion. Not any more than a replacement crystal, or adding diamonds to a dial makes a Rolex a fake. The clasp and ends of the rivets look genuine to me, nothing there indicates they are reproductions or fake.

I can't speak to whether all the center links on these rivet bands were folded in the middle, but the greatest majority of them seem to have them that way. That is prima facie evidence that they all probably had them.

If the center links were replaced at some time, I don't see anything that was done to pass it off as fake. Now, if somebody here can say that got it direct from Rolex that the rivet bands always all had center-folded links, then that would be the Rosetta Stone. But that "ain't gonna happen."

...the band links are entirely fake....to include the out board pieces and the centerlinks, ALL of which are folded in the middle. I have personally found some of these even had nylon centers instead of steel, to also confirm fake.

I guess me and Orchi are by ourselves on this one. But, these links are fake. I agree that they could have been replaced with NON Rolex steel pieces, but personally contend they are FAULKERS. At best, this band is a mix-match. You even PREVIOUSLY agreed with me on another band that I posted in watchout about the "folded to the center" links.

Stan.

[springer]

Orchi and Stan, you guys are correct on this one, I was totally in the ozone with what I responded with. For some reason I wasn't reading the posts correctly as there is a difference between folded and riveted center links. The "62" endlink is definately fake, and the rivet bands do not have center folded center links, but the folded link bands do have the center links folded in the middle.

Wow...get me another mountain dew!!!!!!!!!!

[tudorman8276]

....I think you got it my friend.

....those fakers were folded to the CENTER, not off-set like a genuine RIVIT band. The off-set folds will be true with the 7204, 7205, 7206, 6634, 6635, and 6636 bands, ALL Rolex USA, and includes the EARLIEST swiss rivit without the tell tale ref numbers.

....the 7834, 7835, 7836, and 9315 will ALWAYS be folded to the center.

Stan.

[Orchi]

Originally Posted by springer

Orchi and Stan, you guys are correct on this one, I was totally in the ozone with what I responded with. For some reason I wasn't reading the posts correctly as there is a difference between folded and riveted center links. The "62" endlink is definately fake, and the rivet bands do not have center folded center links, but the folded link bands do have the center links folded in the middle.

Wow...get me another mountain dew!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by Stan

....those fakers were folded to the CENTER, not off-set like a genuine RIVIT band. The off-set folds will be true with the 7204, 7205, 7206, 6634, 6635, and 6636 bands, ALL Rolex USA, and includes the EARLIEST swiss rivit without the tell tale ref numbers.

....the 7834, 7835, 7836, and 9315 will ALWAYS be folded to the center.

Err buddies...lets have the same drinks n share amongst ourselves on this issue...

You buddies are doing great service to the VRF members community...as more n more members would get to learn the truth...about those freaking wannabes faked riveted bracelets...that have flooded the vintage market for years...!!!

[Terry Newton]

Reported again.

Terry Newton

[Orchi]

Originally Posted by Terry Newton

Reported again.

Terry Newton

Err buddy Terry...what would we do without you...thank you also.