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Minimalist · 12 May 2016, 11:20 PM

Here are a couple more photos as requested. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'like curved inward near the base'. I always thought that these hollow end links were susceptible to bending and so sometimes they can look out of shape?

With regards to price, I paid top end for the watch, chrono24 will give you an idea. Considering the scratch and some other small defects I think a little overpriced. But from what I have seen the 'SWISS' only dials seem to be a bit more pricey since they're less common. BUT if they agree to replacing the crystal then I'd be happy. Will have to wait and see till tomorrow.

iliketime · 13 May 2016, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Minimalist

Here are a couple more photos as requested. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'like curved inward near the base'. I always thought that these hollow end links were susceptible to bending and so sometimes they can look out of shape?

With regards to price, I paid top end for the watch, chrono24 will give you an idea. Considering the scratch and some other small defects I think a little overpriced. But from what I have seen the 'SWISS' only dials seem to be a bit more pricey since they're less common. BUT if they agree to replacing the crystal then I'd be happy. Will have to wait and see till tomorrow.
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thanks it does! and fwiw i think its worth keeping the way it is, makes it easier to wear. down the line you can always service it and have it replaced

Widows Son · 12 May 2016, 11:20 PM

Unless it's a rare dial, and or a financial steal, seems like alot of effort trying to justify a purchase!!! May be better off looking for a similar one.

Lord · 12 May 2016, 11:29 PM

I had waaaaay more scars than that by the time I was 17!

Looks good to me, gorgeous in fact.

Based on my reading of your reactions I'd be talking to the seller on the crystal issue and peg a goodwill gesture towards the replacement as the minimum threshold of acceptance/keeping the watch.

Good luck with your decision!

Minimalist · 13 May 2016, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Widows Son

Unless it's a rare dial, and or a financial steal, seems like alot of effort trying to justify a purchase!!! May be better off looking for a similar one.

You make a very valid point and I do agree with what you're saying. My main concern was having someone with more experience tell me about the case and whether it's been over polished or not. The crystal, if replaced, solves that problem. Of the 123 odd 14060 on chrono, about 5 are 'SWISS' only dials, so a bit more rarer, with none of those in the UK.

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Originally Posted by Lord

I had waaaaay more scars than that by the time I was 17!

Looks good to me, gorgeous in fact.

Based on my reading of your reactions I'd be talking to the seller on the crystal issue and peg a goodwill gesture towards the replacement as the minimum threshold of acceptance/keeping the watch.

Good luck with your decision!

Thanks for the input my friend. I will take it back tomorrow and we'll see what they say/offer, if anything.

And yes, the watch is utterly gorgeous. I love the simplicity of the dial, especially the 'swiss' makes it even more minimalist lol. It is so comfortable too, I put it on and felt like I wasn't wearing anything, the watch that is, not my clothes

Minimalist · 13 May 2016, 08:21 AM

Thank you Tim and Richard. Both your 2 Liners look amazing. Love the blue nato, love just how simple and easy it is to change the look of the watch.

Sublovin · 13 May 2016, 08:30 AM

Everyone can say what they want, and compare it to what it would look like if it were perfect, but the only way anyone can give you real advice as to whether or not it's worth it and you should keep it is if we know what you paid.

Minimalist · 13 May 2016, 09:42 AM

Well the price has a little to do with it. As I've said it was higher end of the scale. But not many 'swiss' dials are about so for that reason I think the price is alright. If it were a Swiss t<25 or Swiss made dial then it would be a different matter and I'd understand your point.

997.2 · 13 May 2016, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Minimalist

Well the price has a little to do with it. As I've said it was higher end of the scale. But not many 'swiss' dials are about so for that reason I think the price is alright. If it were a Swiss t<25 or Swiss made dial then it would be a different matter and I'd understand your point.

I paid $4,600 for a mint, 2 line Swiss made, a year and a half ago. I put no value into the "Swiss" dial. Just a point of reference for you.

Old Expat Beast · 13 May 2016, 09:45 AM

I wouldn't pay any extra for a Swiss-only dial.

DCheeta · 13 May 2016, 12:37 PM

Looks nice to me. Wear it and enjoy it, as you said yourself it is a gorgeous watch and has character.

Watches this old will not be perfect, and if they are they will be very expensive. As an example, my 14060 is far from perfect. It has a scratch on the crystal, the case has been polished, etc. But it's been my watch for 16 years and I love it even with all of its "flaws".

Ckci · 13 May 2016, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by DCheeta

Looks nice to me. Wear it and enjoy it, as you said yourself it is a gorgeous watch and has character.

Watches this old will not be perfect, and if they are they will be very expensive. As an example, my 14060 is far from perfect. It has a scratch on the crystal, the case has been polished, etc. But it's been my watch for 16 years and I love it even with all of its "flaws".

Gorgeous watch Dave, as is the OP's! I say keep that beauty and enjoy it! I'd have no regrets!

SA1 · 13 May 2016, 12:59 PM

Ok, so you knew the watch wasn't perfect. You asked for critiques. If you are happy with it, depends on the price and whether you plan to just keep it.

sea-dweller · 13 May 2016, 01:12 PM

Beautiful! My 14060 was also purchased BNIB in Hong Kong.

Cimballi · 13 May 2016, 02:51 PM

The 14060 is an awesome watch!
Now, based on the price you paid vs. market prices, you may be able to find the exact same watch in better condition.
Then you have to decide whether you want to ask the seller for a discount and get the watch fixed or return it and go shop somewhere else.

Minimalist · 13 May 2016, 08:12 PM

Well after much deliberation, I decided to return the watch. There were some good comments made by members, so I'd like to thank everyone who replied.

I don't regret it since I have decided to save the money and put it towards an Audemars Piguet Royal Oak instead, which I have listed over for a long time so I'd rather work towards that instead. Maybe there will be another 14060 in my future.

Thanks to everyone.

stil · 13 May 2016, 08:17 PM

Glad you made a decision you're happy with...and as you can see no one is short of opinions here. That said, I think you received some sound input and advice.

Why AP!?! Stick with Rolex!!!

Minimalist · 13 May 2016, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stil

Glad you made a decision you're happy with...and as you can see no one is short of opinions here. That said, I think you received some sound input and advice.

Why AP!?! Stick with Rolex!!!

Thanks buddy. Appreciate the reply. Well I have a Hulk, DJ II fluted blue stick dial, tudor pelagos v1, panerai and now I want an AP. It's gorgeous, why not?

stil · 13 May 2016, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Minimalist

Thanks buddy. Appreciate the reply. Well I have a Hulk, DJ II fluted blue stick dial, tudor pelagos v1, panerai and now I want an AP. It's gorgeous, why not?

Ahhhh...I missed that part. Not that AP isn't nice or anything. Clearly I'm biased.

cop414 · 13 May 2016, 09:06 PM

Happy that you're at peace with your decision, you know that once you stop searching another one will pop up! I know that you were smitten with the Swiss only dial but if you are able to look past having to have that your options will be much greater. Keep us posted!

stil · 13 May 2016, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cop414

Happy that you're at peace with your decision, you know that once you stop searching another one will pop up! I know that you were smitten with the Swiss only dial but if you are able to look past having to have that your options will be much greater. Keep us posted!

Agreed! I actually prefer earlier dials...and not just because I have one. I have a T < 25 dial and love it.

Minimalist · 13 May 2016, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by stil

Ahhhh...I missed that part. Not that AP isn't nice or anything. Clearly I'm biased.

You never missed anything buddy. I never mentioned those details in the thread. I love my Rolex too, so we're on the same boat. I just like a little diversity in the collection. An AP is a fine timepiece, especially that bracelet!

iliketime · 13 May 2016, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Minimalist

You never missed anything buddy. I never mentioned those details in the thread. I love my Rolex too, so we're on the same boat. I just like a little diversity in the collection. An AP is a fine timepiece, especially that bracelet!

there is a mint condition one on the for sale atm...

(if you are still interested)

Daytona88 · 13 May 2016, 09:11 PM

Pretty watch. Love the no date 2 liners

Minimalist · 13 May 2016, 09:57 PM

I also like the earlier dials too. I was actually more into those at one time because of how the dial gets a nice patina over time.

Time will tell where I go from here ;)

997.2 · 13 May 2016, 11:47 PM

Polish job was pretty bad in regards to the lug details but it's ok. The bracelet is in great shape.

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Aceldama · 14 May 2016, 12:21 AM

I also have a "Swiss" dial (16700). There's not much value in that, but it is a nice difference. I'd wait for a chip or a service before replacing the crystal. The polishing on this watch does give me pause.

Boaters · 14 May 2016, 12:45 AM

It is a nice piece but you can see it was just polished IMPO, has a scratched crystal, no service history, the bracelet looks okay to me not bad on the stretch but if you paid top dollar you should not have those issue's and a receipt for a recent service lots of pieces that are priced at top end do have that. For those reasons I would return it and move on I think you could do way better for a top dollar piece. Just my personal opinion. Good Luck..

tfduff723 · 14 May 2016, 01:05 AM

I you do return it I'd recommend finding one that has the correct kit (i.e. box, manuals, etc...). As you noted that is not the right box for an A serial Rolex. That box & cushion was introduced in the mid-2000s.

It would be like the one in this pic that I grabbed online.

Minimalist · 14 May 2016, 02:11 AM

Thanks for the replies guys. I have already returned the watch this morning, I posted a few posts back and I have no regrets.

12 May 2016, 11:29 PM	#4
Lord "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Real Name: Ben Location: Bath, UK Watch: the watch watchers Posts: 158	I had waaaaay more scars than that by the time I was 17! Looks good to me, gorgeous in fact. Based on my reading of your reactions I'd be talking to the seller on the crystal issue and peg a goodwill gesture towards the replacement as the minimum threshold of acceptance/keeping the watch. Good luck with your decision! __________________ Submariner 116610LN, Constellation 168.004, Seamaster f300 'cone', Omega 30T2, Omega bumper 342, Precista PRS-5, Precista PRS-18Q, Lemania 239A, Casio GW-5000, CWC W10, + more

13 May 2016, 01:12 PM	#14
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	Beautiful! My 14060 was also purchased BNIB in Hong Kong. __________________ TRF Member #6699 (since September 2007)

13 May 2016, 02:51 PM	#15
Cimballi "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: N. California Watch: Love them all Posts: 156	The 14060 is an awesome watch! Now, based on the price you paid vs. market prices, you may be able to find the exact same watch in better condition. Then you have to decide whether you want to ask the seller for a discount and get the watch fixed or return it and go shop somewhere else. __________________ Submariner, Datejust, Aqua Terra, Speedmaster, Chronomat, Pathfinder, Nettuno, vintage Girard Perregaud, vintage Rogers, vintage Election, etc...

13 May 2016, 09:06 PM	#20
cop414 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Tim Location: Pennsylvania Watch: 14060M Posts: 72,249	Happy that you're at peace with your decision, you know that once you stop searching another one will pop up! I know that you were smitten with the Swiss only dial but if you are able to look past having to have that your options will be much greater. Keep us posted! __________________ Rolex Submariner 14060M Omega Seamaster 2254.50 DOXA Professional 1200T Card carrying member of TRF's Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons TRF's "After Dark" Bar & NightClub Patron P Club Member #17 2 FA ENABLED

14 May 2016, 01:05 AM	#29
tfduff723 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Michigan USA Watch: Rolex & Omega 4 Me Posts: 1,685	I you do return it I'd recommend finding one that has the correct kit (i.e. box, manuals, etc...). As you noted that is not the right box for an A serial Rolex. That box & cushion was introduced in the mid-2000s. It would be like the one in this pic that I grabbed online. Attached Images

12 May 2016, 11:20 PM	#1
Minimalist "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: London Posts: 1,221	Here are a couple more photos as requested. I'm not sure I understand what you mean by 'like curved inward near the base'. I always thought that these hollow end links were susceptible to bending and so sometimes they can look out of shape? With regards to price, I paid top end for the watch, chrono24 will give you an idea. Considering the scratch and some other small defects I think a little overpriced. But from what I have seen the 'SWISS' only dials seem to be a bit more pricey since they're less common. BUT if they agree to replacing the crystal then I'd be happy. Will have to wait and see till tomorrow.

12 May 2016, 11:20 PM	#3
Widows Son "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Hudson Ohio Posts: 3,564	Unless it's a rare dial, and or a financial steal, seems like alot of effort trying to justify a purchase!!! May be better off looking for a similar one.

13 May 2016, 08:21 AM	#6
Minimalist "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: London Posts: 1,221	Thank you Tim and Richard. Both your 2 Liners look amazing. Love the blue nato, love just how simple and easy it is to change the look of the watch.

13 May 2016, 08:30 AM	#7
Sublovin 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: USA Watch: Lots Posts: 4,595	Everyone can say what they want, and compare it to what it would look like if it were perfect, but the only way anyone can give you real advice as to whether or not it's worth it and you should keep it is if we know what you paid.

13 May 2016, 09:42 AM	#8
Minimalist "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: London Posts: 1,221	Well the price has a little to do with it. As I've said it was higher end of the scale. But not many 'swiss' dials are about so for that reason I think the price is alright. If it were a Swiss t<25 or Swiss made dial then it would be a different matter and I'd understand your point.

13 May 2016, 09:45 AM	#10
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,826	I wouldn't pay any extra for a Swiss-only dial.

13 May 2016, 12:37 PM	#11
DCheeta "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Dave Location: NYC Posts: 7,181	Looks nice to me. Wear it and enjoy it, as you said yourself it is a gorgeous watch and has character. Watches this old will not be perfect, and if they are they will be very expensive. As an example, my 14060 is far from perfect. It has a scratch on the crystal, the case has been polished, etc. But it's been my watch for 16 years and I love it even with all of its "flaws".

13 May 2016, 12:59 PM	#13
SA1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Miami Posts: 287	Ok, so you knew the watch wasn't perfect. You asked for critiques. If you are happy with it, depends on the price and whether you plan to just keep it.

13 May 2016, 08:12 PM	#16
Minimalist "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: London Posts: 1,221	Well after much deliberation, I decided to return the watch. There were some good comments made by members, so I'd like to thank everyone who replied. I don't regret it since I have decided to save the money and put it towards an Audemars Piguet Royal Oak instead, which I have listed over for a long time so I'd rather work towards that instead. Maybe there will be another 14060 in my future. Thanks to everyone.

13 May 2016, 08:17 PM	#17
stil Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Real Name: not stil Location: USA Watch: Rolex n Omega Posts: 1,327	Glad you made a decision you're happy with...and as you can see no one is short of opinions here. That said, I think you received some sound input and advice. Why AP!?! Stick with Rolex!!!

13 May 2016, 09:11 PM	#24
Daytona88 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: USA Watch: 5712 Posts: 2,621	Pretty watch. Love the no date 2 liners

13 May 2016, 09:57 PM	#25
Minimalist "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: London Posts: 1,221	I also like the earlier dials too. I was actually more into those at one time because of how the dial gets a nice patina over time. Time will tell where I go from here ;)

13 May 2016, 11:47 PM	#26
997.2 Banned Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Chaz Location: Cherry Hill, NJ Posts: 2,721	Polish job was pretty bad in regards to the lug details but it's ok. The bracelet is in great shape. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

14 May 2016, 12:21 AM	#27
Aceldama "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Central Cal Watch: Dads Omega Cal 601 Posts: 707	I also have a "Swiss" dial (16700). There's not much value in that, but it is a nice difference. I'd wait for a chip or a service before replacing the crystal. The polishing on this watch does give me pause.

14 May 2016, 12:45 AM	#28
Boaters 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: Pacific Northwest Watch: 116610LV 16710 SD Posts: 10,653	It is a nice piece but you can see it was just polished IMPO, has a scratched crystal, no service history, the bracelet looks okay to me not bad on the stretch but if you paid top dollar you should not have those issue's and a receipt for a recent service lots of pieces that are priced at top end do have that. For those reasons I would return it and move on I think you could do way better for a top dollar piece. Just my personal opinion. Good Luck..

14 May 2016, 02:11 AM	#30
Minimalist "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: London Posts: 1,221	Thanks for the replies guys. I have already returned the watch this morning, I posted a few posts back and I have no regrets.

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