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marcusjcw21 · 31 July 2016, 07:56 AM

The maker had to have put in many, many hours on this watch. I kind of like it. I think it could use a little more color variation including some blue and white rhodium.

http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...mtid=824&kw=lg

speedolex · 31 July 2016, 09:25 AM

I count 14 stickies in this forum, I don't think in all my years of participation in all types of forums I've ever seen that many, makes it very difficult to find the first active thread.

I think 6 is a good number. You?

marcusjcw21 · 31 July 2016, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by speedolex

I count 14 stickies in this forum, I don't think in all my years of participation in all types of forums I've ever seen that many, makes it very difficult to find the first active thread.

I think 6 is a good number. You?

I look for the first bold title to see what I haven't read yet. I'm okay with the stickies.

crowncollection · 31 July 2016, 10:08 AM

Te cases pocket watch, not for me

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mailman · 31 July 2016, 09:43 PM

Thread moved. Not sure where to even put it. Any way to to tell 100% the movement is 100% genuine? If the movement is the rest of it isn't.

drifter01 · 31 July 2016, 10:51 PM

Most of these Rolex powered "marriage watches" are in fact powered by cheap pocketwatch movements with only bad Rolex engraving. Once you skeletomize, engrave or alter the movement to that degree there is virtually no way to prove it is a Rolex. Even if it is, it has been butchered so its value becomes nothing. If it was a real Rolex pocketwatch, it should have been left thast way.

cedargrove · 31 July 2016, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mailman

Thread moved. Not sure where to even put it. Any way to to tell 100% the movement is 100% genuine? If the movement is the rest of it isn't.

Watch Out was definitely the right place for this one.

Old Expat Beast · 31 July 2016, 11:28 PM

I've already asked the OP at least once to put anything questionable in Watchout.

roadkillrob · 31 July 2016, 11:36 PM

Wow that would be really difficult to even determine if there is a Rolex part in it, but someone spent a lot of time on whatever it was before it became this.

marcusjcw21 · 1 August 2016, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

I've already asked the OP at least once to put anything questionable in Watchout.

My mistake... I assumed it was a vintage Rolex movement and wasn't asking about authenticity issues. If I had even considered the possibility that I was thinking it wasn't a Rolex movement, then I would have definitely posted it here. I wasn't trying to be a headache.

marcusjcw21 · 1 August 2016, 01:50 AM

Here is the movement I assumed it was: http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...mtid=824&kw=lg

marcusjcw21 · 1 August 2016, 02:50 AM

I enjoy skeletonization from the likes of Jochen Benzinger and other artisans... Here is a part on which I am working right now. It is covered with wax from the guilloche process and acetone to loosen the loctite. Still needs to be deburred a little under the microscope, but the engraving is pretty clean. It will be white rhodium plated today as well. Photo taken a few minutes ago. I thought it was neat to see that someone had put so much skeletonization and engraving work into an old Rolex pocket watch movement. I'm just appreciative of that kind of work.

GLADIATOR · 1 August 2016, 06:02 AM

Atrocious "Franken" watch, sold to deceive.
I doubt even the movement was Rolex!
Reported eBay
EDIT
Also reported his "Franken" Omega, another abortion!
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marcusjcw21 · 1 August 2016, 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Atrocious "Franken" watch, sold to deceive.
I doubt even the movement was Rolex!
Reported eBay
EDIT
Also reported his "Franken" Omega, another abortion!
a

Here is one that sold a little while back. It was on ebay for what seemed like forever. http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...mtid=824&kw=lg

I would like to see one done by Jochen Benzinger. I would have no problem with it. As long as any Rolex text remains in tact and is not duplicated -- especially crudely.

GLADIATOR · 1 August 2016, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by marcusjcw21

Here is one that sold a little while back. It was on ebay for what seemed like forever. http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...mtid=824&kw=lg

I would like to see one done by Jochen Benzinger. I would have no problem with it. As long as any Rolex text remains in tact and is not duplicated -- especially crudely.

Pure FRANKEN junk!
I doubt one part is Rolex original!

marcusjcw21 · 1 August 2016, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Pure FRANKEN junk!
I doubt one part is Rolex original!

It's easy to see that it's that same commonly used Rolex pocket watch movement with the 3 bridges and the gear layout on the back.

GLADIATOR · 1 August 2016, 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by marcusjcw21

It's easy to see that it's that same commonly used Rolex pocket watch movement with the 3 bridges and the gear layout on the back.

"commonly used"? Rolex made few pocket watches, do you think this is an original Rolex movement?

I doubt the crown or click wheel are even genuine Rolex!

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marcusjcw21 · 1 August 2016, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

"commonly used"? Rolex made few pocket watches, do you think this is an original Rolex movement?

I doubt the crown or click wheel are even genuine Rolex!

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I think it was an original Rolex movement. The case and everything else have nothing to do with Rolex though. I don't know what to think about a watch like this. I don't like the quality of the craftsmanship at all, but if it is a skeletonized Rolex movement and the Rolex logo or coronet were originally on it and they leave it intact, but put it into a new case... I personally don't have a big problem with that.

GLADIATOR · 1 August 2016, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcusjcw21

I think it was an original Rolex movement. The case and everything else have nothing to do with Rolex though. I don't know what to think about a watch like this. I don't like the quality of the craftsmanship at all, but if it is a skeletonized Rolex movement and the Rolex logo or coronet were originally on it and they leave it intact, but put it into a new case... I personally don't have a big problem with that.

Really?
We are talking this link?
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...mtid=824&kw=lg

Why you think its an original Rolex movement?
Can you post any authentic Rolex pocket watch movements of a same design/caliber , albeit not skeletonized?

marcusjcw21 · 1 August 2016, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

Really?
We are talking this link?
http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...mtid=824&kw=lg

Why you think its an original Rolex movement?
Can you post any authentic Rolex pocket watch movements of a same design/caliber , albeit not skeletonized?

Here is what that movement usually looks like - look at the 2nd photo: http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...mtid=824&kw=lg

GLADIATOR · 1 August 2016, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcusjcw21

Here is what that movement usually looks like - look at the 2nd photo: http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...mtid=824&kw=lg

I do NOT think that is genuine Rolex either!
Different steel, different (no) decoration, completely different font to the rest of the movement.
Look at the click and crown wheels - they are not, in my opinion original to that watch.

If I get time, I will post genuine Rolex pocket watch movements

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marcusjcw21 · 1 August 2016, 07:05 AM

Here is another watch using that same Rolex pocketwatch movement: http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...mtid=824&kw=lg

GLADIATOR · 1 August 2016, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcusjcw21

Here is another watch using that same Rolex pocketwatch movement: http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...mtid=824&kw=lg

That movement is nothing like the other one!
And I responded on the other one, that it is NOT Rolex.

These are all FRANKEN watches. Really its a CHRONOMETER now!

Anyway, please believe as you wish
adam

marcusjcw21 · 1 August 2016, 07:08 AM

Here is a search for Rolex pocket watch movement which shows quite a few people are re-casing these and other old Rolex pocket watch movements. http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...mtid=824&kw=lg

marcusjcw21 · 1 August 2016, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

That movement is nothing like the other one!
And I responded on the other one, that it is NOT Rolex.

These are all FRANKEN watches. Really its a CHRONOMETER now!

Anyway, please believe as you wish
adam

The designation "chronometer" means that the watch was certified by the COSC.

marcusjcw21 · 1 August 2016, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

That movement is nothing like the other one!
And I responded on the other one, that it is NOT Rolex.

These are all FRANKEN watches. Really its a CHRONOMETER now!

Anyway, please believe as you wish
adam

Here is a link to a google search of Rolex pocket watch movements. You can easily see that the movements in the watches I posted above are old Rolex pocket watch movements by comparing to the numerous photos of Rolex pocket watch movements at this link: https://www.google.com/search?q=role...HQ6TAj0QsAQIGw

MILGAUSS88 · 1 August 2016, 12:43 PM

That is not a Rolex movement. With 3 finger bridge, I doubt it is even Swiss.

GLADIATOR · 1 August 2016, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MILGAUSS88

That is not a Rolex movement. With 3 finger bridge, I doubt it is even Swiss.

Correct.

And adding "chronometer" to a dial does not make it a chronometers.

31 July 2016, 07:56 AM	#1
marcusjcw21 Banned Join Date: Jul 2016 Real Name: Marcus Location: Buffalo, NY Watch: Rolex 2 tone 1005 Posts: 351	A lot of work went into this customized Rolex! The maker had to have put in many, many hours on this watch. I kind of like it. I think it could use a little more color variation including some blue and white rhodium. http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...mtid=824&kw=lg

31 July 2016, 10:08 AM	#4
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	Te cases pocket watch, not for me Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

31 July 2016, 09:43 PM	#5
mailman TRF Moderator & SubLV41 2024 Patron Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: . Watch: 126610LN Posts: 35,510	Thread moved. Not sure where to even put it. Any way to to tell 100% the movement is 100% genuine? If the movement is the rest of it isn't. __________________ JJ

31 July 2016, 10:51 PM	#6
drifter01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Real Name: Dave Location: NC Watch: 5500 Air-King Posts: 633	Most of these Rolex powered "marriage watches" are in fact powered by cheap pocketwatch movements with only bad Rolex engraving. Once you skeletomize, engrave or alter the movement to that degree there is virtually no way to prove it is a Rolex. Even if it is, it has been butchered so its value becomes nothing. If it was a real Rolex pocketwatch, it should have been left thast way. __________________ Dave Ace of Clubs "Never mind the track. The track is for punks. We are Road People. We are Cafe Racers." - Hunter S. Thompson

1 August 2016, 02:50 AM	#12
marcusjcw21 Banned Join Date: Jul 2016 Real Name: Marcus Location: Buffalo, NY Watch: Rolex 2 tone 1005 Posts: 351	I enjoy skeletonization from the likes of Jochen Benzinger and other artisans... Here is a part on which I am working right now. It is covered with wax from the guilloche process and acetone to loosen the loctite. Still needs to be deburred a little under the microscope, but the engraving is pretty clean. It will be white rhodium plated today as well. Photo taken a few minutes ago. I thought it was neat to see that someone had put so much skeletonization and engraving work into an old Rolex pocket watch movement. I'm just appreciative of that kind of work. Attached Images

31 July 2016, 09:25 AM	#2
speedolex Banned Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: NYC Posts: 1,231	I count 14 stickies in this forum, I don't think in all my years of participation in all types of forums I've ever seen that many, makes it very difficult to find the first active thread. I think 6 is a good number. You?

31 July 2016, 11:28 PM	#8
Old Expat Beast TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Adam Location: Far East Watch: Golden Tuna Posts: 28,826	I've already asked the OP at least once to put anything questionable in Watchout.

31 July 2016, 11:36 PM	#9
roadkillrob "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Real Name: Rob Location: Boston Watch: 16610 Sub,ZblueMIL Posts: 167	Wow that would be really difficult to even determine if there is a Rolex part in it, but someone spent a lot of time on whatever it was before it became this.

1 August 2016, 01:50 AM	#11
marcusjcw21 Banned Join Date: Jul 2016 Real Name: Marcus Location: Buffalo, NY Watch: Rolex 2 tone 1005 Posts: 351	Here is the movement I assumed it was: http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...mtid=824&kw=lg

1 August 2016, 06:02 AM	#13
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Atrocious "Franken" watch, sold to deceive. I doubt even the movement was Rolex! Reported eBay EDIT Also reported his "Franken" Omega, another abortion! a __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

1 August 2016, 07:05 AM	#22
marcusjcw21 Banned Join Date: Jul 2016 Real Name: Marcus Location: Buffalo, NY Watch: Rolex 2 tone 1005 Posts: 351	Here is another watch using that same Rolex pocketwatch movement: http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...mtid=824&kw=lg

1 August 2016, 07:08 AM	#24
marcusjcw21 Banned Join Date: Jul 2016 Real Name: Marcus Location: Buffalo, NY Watch: Rolex 2 tone 1005 Posts: 351	Here is a search for Rolex pocket watch movement which shows quite a few people are re-casing these and other old Rolex pocket watch movements. http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53...mtid=824&kw=lg

1 August 2016, 12:43 PM	#27
MILGAUSS88 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: mississippi river Posts: 3,192	That is not a Rolex movement. With 3 finger bridge, I doubt it is even Swiss.

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