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RMoyster · 25 August 2011, 08:57 AM

I recently inherited my father's 1953 oyster perpetual bubbleback 6084/875***). The crown is the type that does not screw in - it just pulls out. Also, the crown is marked Rolex Super Oyster with a Swiss cross between the words Super and Oyster.

How common is this pull-out type crown? Is the Swiss cross unusual or rare?

Thanks for your help!

sleddog · 25 August 2011, 09:07 AM

Pictures speak a thousand words!!!

You'll get a much better response if you can actually show the piece you are talking about...

adam78 · 25 August 2011, 11:54 AM

The Super Oyster crowns were only used for a year or two, 1951-53 or so, and a lot of them ended up being converted back to the screw down type at the first service, since they were not nearly as reliably water resistant as the latter. It is nice to have one kept as original, however I wouldn't wear the watch in the pool!

Here is my 6094 (1952):

RMoyster · 25 August 2011, 12:35 PM

Great looking watch!

Thank you for the info. That is exactly like the crown on my watch.

RM

shat · 26 August 2011, 01:35 AM

I have a similar watch, Oyster Perpetual Bubbleback, ref 6084, serial #70x,xxx which I'm told and I've researched to be a '50-'51 vintage in ss, dome bezel, no date but with super oyster crown as pictured here. Hands and dial are original but crystal is a service replacement. Crown was kept as a non-waterproof to retain originality by the watchmaker who recently serviced and cleaned it up. I love this watch as it's so subtle, light weight on the wrist and keeps perfect time. The dial is egg-shell with triangle markers, no numbers and the coronet is in relief and set below the 12-0'clock triangle. Sweep blue steel second hand extends all the way to the 1/5 second marks, lume is long ago depleted but still evident on hour triangles and hour and minute hands. Sorry, I don't yet have a way to photo it. But here's my question: Does having the super oyster stem affect the value? Plus or minus?

Thanks

Steve

adam78 · 26 August 2011, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shat

I have a similar watch, Oyster Perpetual Bubbleback, ref 6084...But here's my question: Does having the super oyster stem affect the value? Plus or minus?

Thanks

Steve

Probably not significantly.

Redkaratefox · 26 August 2011, 10:22 AM

My wife has a 6084 14k with waffle dial. All original dial, hands and crown restored by Bob Ridley this year. Crown says Super Oyster Super with no X. Pull out as well.

Lovely watch indeed.

drefhill · 2 December 2016, 03:18 PM

I have 2 Rolex 6085 and one (year 1951) has the original Super Oyster crown with + between Super and Oyster.
The other has a more recent screw down crown, i like more the original Super Oyster crown it make those watches more unique and rare.

onthedial · 2 December 2016, 05:27 PM

@shat
Regarding your question, "Does having the super oyster stem affect the value? Plus or minus?" Interest in bubblebacks has dramatically slowed (obviously that's not true of Rolex sports watches). Even so, the more original the watch, the more collectible it is. Having the original Super Oyster winding crown is definitely a plus.
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25 August 2011, 08:57 AM	#1
RMoyster "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: rocky mountains Posts: 2	Vintage bubbleback crown question I recently inherited my father's 1953 oyster perpetual bubbleback 6084/875***). The crown is the type that does not screw in - it just pulls out. Also, the crown is marked Rolex Super Oyster with a Swiss cross between the words Super and Oyster. How common is this pull-out type crown? Is the Swiss cross unusual or rare? Thanks for your help!

25 August 2011, 09:07 AM	#2
sleddog TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Rob Location: Nearby. Posts: 24,931	Pictures speak a thousand words!!! You'll get a much better response if you can actually show the piece you are talking about... __________________ He who wears a Rolex is always on time, even when late!! TRF's "After Dark" Bar & Nightclub Patron-Founding Member..

25 August 2011, 11:54 AM	#3
adam78 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,830	The Super Oyster crowns were only used for a year or two, 1951-53 or so, and a lot of them ended up being converted back to the screw down type at the first service, since they were not nearly as reliably water resistant as the latter. It is nice to have one kept as original, however I wouldn't wear the watch in the pool! Here is my 6094 (1952): __________________ Cheers, Adam

26 August 2011, 01:35 AM	#5
shat "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Florida USA Posts: 26	A Super Oyster Question I have a similar watch, Oyster Perpetual Bubbleback, ref 6084, serial #70x,xxx which I'm told and I've researched to be a '50-'51 vintage in ss, dome bezel, no date but with super oyster crown as pictured here. Hands and dial are original but crystal is a service replacement. Crown was kept as a non-waterproof to retain originality by the watchmaker who recently serviced and cleaned it up. I love this watch as it's so subtle, light weight on the wrist and keeps perfect time. The dial is egg-shell with triangle markers, no numbers and the coronet is in relief and set below the 12-0'clock triangle. Sweep blue steel second hand extends all the way to the 1/5 second marks, lume is long ago depleted but still evident on hour triangles and hour and minute hands. Sorry, I don't yet have a way to photo it. But here's my question: Does having the super oyster stem affect the value? Plus or minus? Thanks Steve

2 December 2016, 03:18 PM	#8
drefhill "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2016 Location: France Posts: 42	I have 2 Rolex 6085 and one (year 1951) has the original Super Oyster crown with + between Super and Oyster. The other has a more recent screw down crown, i like more the original Super Oyster crown it make those watches more unique and rare. __________________ 'Three witches watch three Swatch watches. Which witch watch which Swatch watch ?

25 August 2011, 12:35 PM	#4
RMoyster "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: rocky mountains Posts: 2	Great looking watch! Thank you for the info. That is exactly like the crown on my watch. RM

26 August 2011, 10:22 AM	#7
Redkaratefox "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Melbourne, AUS Watch: 5513 maxi 1 Posts: 7	My wife has a 6084 14k with waffle dial. All original dial, hands and crown restored by Bob Ridley this year. Crown says Super Oyster Super with no X. Pull out as well. Lovely watch indeed.

2 December 2016, 05:27 PM	#9
onthedial "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Los Angeles Watch: IG @onthedial Posts: 587	@shat Regarding your question, "Does having the super oyster stem affect the value? Plus or minus?" Interest in bubblebacks has dramatically slowed (obviously that's not true of Rolex sports watches). Even so, the more original the watch, the more collectible it is. Having the original Super Oyster winding crown is definitely a plus. _____________ Instagram: @onthedial

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