Rose Gold 44 question

[VICI]

After the SIHH release of the new rose gold 44, many people said they prefer the 'older' dial.

I tend to agree as it looks cleaner to me and less busy.

That being said, why has the market softened on the original RG 44's? IMO, it's probably one of the most interesting sport watches on the market.

Economy is doing well, rose gold still in favor, size is still attractive..?

[texex91]

Originally Posted by VICI

After the SIHH release of the new rose gold 44, many people said they prefer the 'older' dial.

I tend to agree as it looks cleaner to me and less busy.

That being said, why has the market softened on the original RG 44's? IMO, it's probably one of the most interesting sport watches on the market.

Economy is doing well, rose gold still in favor, size is still attractive..?

It is killer, but there were plenty out on the market, so pricing softened. Also depends on what you are selling for of course Alex.

The new pieces should be hitting in the next 30 days, so I think once some see in person that may sway some.

Either way RG is a home run piece

[VICI]

Originally Posted by texex91

It is killer, but there were plenty out on the market, so pricing softened. Also depends on what you are selling for of course Alex.

The new pieces should be hitting in the next 30 days, so I think once some see in person that may sway some.

Either way RG is a home run piece

Makes total sense - I haven't noticed so many being available, but then again, I haven't looked beyond the forums.

I am looking forward to the new ceramic

[texex91]

Originally Posted by VICI

Makes total sense - I haven't noticed so many being available, but then again, I haven't looked beyond the forums.

I am looking forward to the new ceramic

I'm looking forward to seeing them all

[jem7v]

Economy isn't really doing well at all. Economy is still pretty flat/stalled.

Watch market in general is just softening. It's not because of the old RG or new RG or people prefer the old one or new one. People actually will always buy the new thing and unfortunately mostly the superficial people are what causes the ups and downs in the luxury market.

Wall street bonuses are being cut and the pound and euro have weakened. So you aren't getting as much foreign money in the US anymore, and the highest paying jobs are well now paying less.

So the luxury market softens as a result.

As far as individual watches, of course the ones with lower supply will hold their price better during times like these than ones with higher supply. I ordered the new RG. Though probably after I get a 15400 or some RO, I'll probably only get limited edition AP from this point on, mostly the racing ones.

If you don't want to worry about resale just get limited edition. They "cost" more up front, but cost less in the long run.

[texex91]

Originally Posted by jem7v

Economy isn't really doing well at all. Economy is still pretty flat/stalled.

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Stock market at all time high. People see there is actual business reprieve coming in the way of lower taxes for big and SMALL businesses.

Economy and flat 2% growth was terrible. Hello 4-5% growth...

Back to AP talk please.

[jem7v]

Originally Posted by texex91

Stock market at all time high. People see there is actual business reprieve coming in the way of lower taxes for big and SMALL businesses.

Economy and flat 2% growth was terrible. Hello 4-5% growth...

Back to AP talk please.

Stock market at all time high with hardly any new flow of funds. Participation is still super low by institutions. This is all fluff short term. Wall Street is firing people left and right and cutting bonuses even faster.

People aren't fooled anymore by tax cuts. They know they pay less today to pay more tomorrow. I promise you companies will horde cash like they been doing, not growing 4-5%.

You need foreign investment which is dead right now. But yes we can go back to AP talk :).

[texex91]

Originally Posted by jem7v

Stock market at all time high with hardly any new flow of funds. Participation is still super low by institutions. This is all fluff short term. Wall Street is firing people left and right and cutting bonuses even faster.

People aren't fooled anymore by tax cuts. They know they pay less today to pay more tomorrow. I promise you companies will horde cash like they been doing, not growing 4-5%.

You need foreign investment which is dead right now. But yes we can go back to AP talk :).

Not going to waste my time.

Alex, I'm with you 100% on the new ones showing soon.

Shouldn't be long and amazing they are rolling them 30 days from SIHH--great stuff

[Hairdude1]

I love my RG, that said I could see my self adding the ceramic 44

[Tay821]

Bring on the TI 44! Most anticipated one for me.

[Tay821]

Bring on the TI 44! Most anticipated one for me.

[texex91]

Originally Posted by Tay821

Bring on the TI 44! Most anticipated one for me.

[GB-man]

Are you seeing a softening since the announcement of the new 44RG? I assume these watches will just generally trend lower until they hit a plateau. They aren't limited, they are very expensive and they tend to appeal to people who like modern watches. As such, these customers are often willing to "upgrade" to the newest version.

Don't get me wrong. Love that watch. Killer piece.

[jschmidtdmd]

In general I have seen the secondary watch market get crushed- I feel that AP is at the top of that food chain.

I'm not going to comment on markets or the economy- but the bottom line is basic supply and demand, watches by any brand that have been overproduced are going to struggle very hard. Watches that have been very limited will not. (Please do not take this comment as support of LE pieces). Instead- look at the New AP SS Skeleton vs the RG Skeleton.

One has a price all over the place and is going in many places well under retail, while the other is above. This relates to the old 39mm piece as well.

Just my thoughts,

JPS

[thomaspp]

I like the original RG version more no doubt.


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[masterserg]

These are not investments. Wear and enjoy. If you sell you will take a hit for sure.

[Hairdude1]

Originally Posted by thomaspp

I like the original RG version more no doubt.


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[VICI]

I wasn't trying to make this thread a market commentary as simply saying that those that can afford these types of pieces aren't complaining about their watch funds ;)

Noticing that even the price for new has dropped ~10% from a few yrs ago.

The size of the Novelty and the wrist presence is fantastic. I don't wear mine as much but when I put it on, it's awesome.

Looking forward to the incomings this year

[jem7v]

Originally Posted by jschmidtdmd

In general I have seen the secondary watch market get crushed- I feel that AP is at the top of that food chain.

I'm not going to comment on markets or the economy- but the bottom line is basic supply and demand, watches by any brand that have been overproduced are going to struggle very hard. Watches that have been very limited will not. (Please do not take this comment as support of LE pieces). Instead- look at the New AP SS Skeleton vs the RG Skeleton.

One has a price all over the place and is going in many places well under retail, while the other is above. This relates to the old 39mm piece as well.

Just my thoughts,

JPS

The gold 15407 goes above retail? This is interesting. My AD offered it to me at a substantial discount. Granted by this point I'd have to wait like 2 years because he sold all his allocations. I know all the grey dealers are trying to sell the SS and RG versions both over retail.

[racer24]

I like the new RG 44 better than the old version, but have to see it in person to decide. It sucks that I have to drive 3-4 hours to either phil or nyc to see it in person. no more AP in our nation's capital which should be a crime.

[masterserg]

Originally Posted by VICI

I wasn't trying to make this thread a market commentary as simply saying that those that can afford these types of pieces aren't complaining about their watch funds ;)

Noticing that even the price for new has dropped ~10% from a few yrs ago.

The size of the Novelty and the wrist presence is fantastic. I don't wear mine as much but when I put it on, it's awesome.

Looking forward to the incomings this year

Also ... old probably dropped because I bought one

But .... who cares!

[AK797]

Prices here are still strong, even after 10% price rise last year, I could sell mine today and make a grand or two.

[jem7v]

Originally Posted by AK797

Prices here are still strong, even after 10% price rise last year, I could sell mine today and make a grand or two.

Alright so then all of us who bought the RG should sell to london lol. I hope they raise prices 10% after I get mine :).

[AK797]

Originally Posted by jem7v

Alright so then all of us who bought the RG should sell to london lol. I hope they raise prices 10% after I get mine :).

For sure, same with your Rolexes and PPs, popular models are in short supply here and used pieces are often selling over retail, we have a few Daytona 500s now.

[The B]

I perfer the reverse panda dial on my "old" version - I would guess that the TI model will be much more wearable all day:)

[benlee]

I see more than usual RG44 in preown market recently but new RG44 is still hard to get over here unless from boutique which usually sell without discount. If the old RG44 has been discontinued, and if the new RG44 aren't getting the reception expected, than perhaps the old RG44 might buck the trend and rise in value although I doubt that. In the end, it's supply and demand.

I have no plans to upgrade to the new RG44 for now as I am not impressed / swayed by any of the new 44mm with exception of Ti 44 which is something new. In fact, based on the pics, I think they are all a downgrade in the looks and design department, the new C44 included.

Anyway, I will be attending a preview soon in 2 weeks time at AP Singapore and will get to see them in real life to make final judgement. For sure will report back.

[jem7v]

Originally Posted by benlee

I see more than usual RG44 in preown market recently but new RG44 is still hard to get over here unless from boutique which usually sell without discount. If the old RG44 has been discontinued, and if the new RG44 aren't getting the reception expected, than perhaps the old RG44 might buck the trend and rise in value although I doubt that. In the end, it's supply and demand.

I have no plans to upgrade to the new RG44 for now as I am not impressed / swayed by any of the new 44mm with exception of Ti 44 which is something new. In fact, based on the pics, I think they are all a downgrade in the looks and design department, the new C44 included.

Anyway, I will be attending a preview soon in 2 weeks time at AP Singapore and will get to see them in real life to make final judgement. For sure will report back.

I liked the Ti at first but the anthracite dial and grey strap don't do it for me at least in the pictures. It looks like a mud grey on that dial. Almost like cement or something.

It makes me think it's different from the anthracite dial which was more a blueish grey. And the light grey strap has to go. Maybe then I think it would be better. Either way to me it's an improvement over the panda steel since changing the strap is an easy change.

I'm indifferent between the new and old ceramic. I'd probably say I'm indifferent between the 2 RG as well. If they didn't put such a thick gold ring around the bezel and kept it just the markers like they normally do, I'd say the new RG is better than the previous one easily.

Either way if the old RG stay constant that means the new one will hold value as well :).

[conkers]

The 44 novelties absolutely have to be seen in the flesh before you judge.