Who Is The Best Partner For Keith Richards In Stones?

[Brushpup]

Originally Posted by Jimbits76

Jones by a mile...he was as much the stones as Mick and Keef.

I do like Ron tho!

J

I must agree that he was as much a Stone, he did start the band afterall...........

[Trurolexer]

Originally Posted by Brushpup

Now, how about a discussion on Keef's 5 (yes five) string guitars for another thread?

Yes, please you can start the thread about that...
And don't you surprise, many members here crazy about 'em.
Who's didn't like Stones anyway?

[LenP]

Keith uses open G tuning quite a bit, and believes that the low E string isn't necessary, so off with it. I have tried this, and now have a guitar that I leave in open G w/o the sixth string. It's cool!! With all that said, after playing for four decades, I'm still amazed by Mr. R. and am nowhere near his skill and creativity. That's why he's a rock n' roll icon and I'm a retired math/science teacher.

PEACE,

LenP

[mgm]

Originally Posted by Brushpup

Gregory,

I would respectfully disagree on Ron's being a shadow Keith and his creative contribution to the band. No one plays like Keith and they both have a very different approach to the Guitar. On his creativity, I will differ by asking what about all his slide and steel Guitar work? No one else is contributing that sort of thing so I would say it is particularly creative within the context of the band. He also carries lot's of lead lines Keith can't pull off IMO. The beauty to me though is that he and Keith intertwine their playing unlike any other two players ever. The synergy he helps create makes their sound very unique and I can't help but think that too is a significant contribution.

In any case, I do agree with so much else you said, and you obviously have a great deal of knowledge about the Stones early work. Brian was a musical genious without question and ironically the most opposed to going off the blues path to rock/pop styles of music. I make no comparison to Brian and Ron as it is a day and night issue, but Ronny has made a very significant contribution I think. Nice to see some other Stones fans here though, what a nice surprise.

As to your question TR, I chose Ronny in short because of the synergy he and Keith have, but Charlie is just as important. The way they play off each other is also unlike any other band ever. You ever notice how much Charlie follows Keith? Very unusual........

Hey, Brushpup. I suppose it is unfair of me to call Ron a shadow of anyone, but what I mean is that neither the band's sound nor direction has grown significantly since Ron came on board, at least not in any way that has captured my imagination. That may not be his doing; celebrity rarely makes people more interesting or more creative. And perhaps I just grew beyond them.

One thing has caused me to pay any continued attention to the Stones at all, really, and that is the musical tension between Keith and Charlie. Any new Stones song that I've never heard before, I can catch that it's them within two bars, long before Mick's vocals confirm it. Charlie's ability to swing that band with dead simplicity, and Keith's syncopation really stand out from the crowd.

To give you some sense of my musical background; I was playing drums before the Beatles showed up, and have continued to play until this day. I listen, for the most part, to classical music, with a preference for Baroque and earlier, and a little jazz. My playing remains rooted in the long tradition of American blues and rock; I'm one of those people who doesn't listen to what he plays.

One more thing; you mentioned that Brian was the most focused on the R&B track, and I have read that, too. It is indeed ironic, because he seems the least locked into that instrumentation. What other rock band went on stage, on national telelvision, with a damn xylophone? And ohmygosh, how could I forget the accordion, on Back Street Girl?

[Brushpup]

Originally Posted by LenP

Keith uses open G tuning quite a bit, and believes that the low E string isn't necessary, so off with it. I have tried this, and now have a guitar that I leave in open G w/o the sixth string. It's cool!! With all that said, after playing for four decades, I'm still amazed by Mr. R. and am nowhere near his skill and creativity. That's why he's a rock n' roll icon and I'm a retired math/science teacher.

PEACE,

LenP

Well, Looks like Len started it already. Not a lot of people know about this, even guitar players. I've yet to conquer open chords, but I love the way they sound. Makes perfect sense with the deep roots in blues. I know he had at least one or two guitars made with five strings.....no bottom E.

Sorry to hi-jack TR...

Patrick

[Brushpup]

Originally Posted by mgm

Hey, Brushpup. I suppose it is unfair of me to call Ron a shadow of anyone, but what I mean is that neither the band's sound nor direction has grown significantly since Ron came on board, at least not in any way that has captured my imagination. That may not be his doing; celebrity rarely makes people more interesting or more creative. And perhaps I just grew beyond them.

One thing has caused me to pay any continued attention to the Stones at all, really, and that is the musical tension between Keith and Charlie. Any new Stones song that I've never heard before, I can catch that it's them within two bars, long before Mick's vocals confirm it. Charlie's ability to swing that band with dead simplicity, and Keith's syncopation really stand out from the crowd.

To give you some sense of my musical background; I was playing drums before the Beatles showed up, and have continued to play until this day. I listen, for the most part, to classical music, with a preference for Baroque and earlier, and a little jazz. My playing remains rooted in the long tradition of American blues and rock; I'm one of those people who doesn't listen to what he plays.

One more thing; you mentioned that Brian was the most focused on the R&B track, and I have read that, too. It is indeed ironic, because he seems the least locked into that instrumentation. What other rock band went on stage, on national telelvision, with a damn xylophone? And ohmygosh, how could I forget the accordion, on Back Street Girl?

Not to mention a Sitar, and lets not forget harpsichord. They say he played whatever he picked up. Very interesting and we have similar tastes in poular music.......blues and rock. I love some classical too, mostly Bach and Mozart, favoring transcriptions to guitar.

Being a drummer, I am sure you notice how much Charlie follows Keith and then keeps it going. I love the banter between the two a lot (musically speaking) and it's just one thing that holds my interest. My musical background is nada. Just a music buff and a three chord know nothing on guitar. Still love playing around though and love all sorts of music. Do try to play some of what I listen to though. Sadly, most I will never master.


Patrick