Little help in the gym

[toxicavenger]

The act of lifting weights and workout can boost your testosterone. As you get older your body slows down on the production of it. You can take small doses of DHEA to help also.

But if you take to much testosterone without a naturopathic physician or doctor then you can end up with biotch tits and other issues.

[locutus49]

I'll discuss with my doctor. Thanks for the advice.

Originally Posted by dmash

100%, even responsible users who use this recreationally will get periodic bloodwork to ensure levels are in range and other functional organs are operations properly. I'm pretty sure my father (has a TRT script) has to pull bloods once ever 3-4 months.


Also, in regards to your itching, it may just be due to the application of the gel on your skin. Not to mention the amount of absorbable test is fairly minimal with the Androgel.....you may want to perhaps look into injections. May sound much more serious, but it's actually much more effective with no additional problems.

[Moggo]

Originally Posted by Tony64

As I said, taken for low T and prescribed by a physician it's approporate. For a normal person just wanting to bulk up - not so much.

The thread title was "a little help at the gym" after all.

Kind of agree with this, the title implied improving gym performance not feeling low and needing a boost to normal levels.

If it's as the title suggests then extra protein is usually the way to go.

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[superdog]

Originally Posted by Tony64

As I said, taken for low T and prescribed by a physician it's approporate. For a normal person just wanting to bulk up - not so much.

The thread title was "a little help at the gym" after all.

well, that is a fair point.

however, simply because he is looking for help in the gym, does not mean that he has the appropriate levels of T in his body.

I should have clarified my own statements, but I took it as he was feeling weak, and felt that possibly he was low on testosterone.

I have questioned this myself and only learned about possible lower testosterone based on my asking my doctor. I did end up getting tested and was found to be normal.

[Andad]

French salads with prawns and mussels always worked for me.

[Moggo]

Originally Posted by superdog

well, that is a fair point.



however, simply because he is looking for help in the gym, does not mean that he has the appropriate levels of T in his body.



I should have clarified my own statements, but I took it as he was feeling weak, and felt that possibly he was low on testosterone.



I have questioned this myself and only learned about possible lower testosterone based on my asking my doctor. I did end up getting tested and was found to be normal.

I've wondered about this in the past, feel weak, anxious etc I had all tests done and my Vitamin D was through the floor. I have anxiety disorder also so it doesn't help.

They tend to ignore hormonal imbalances in men, its more of a female check, no offence meant by that.


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[Rolex addict]

Originally Posted by superdog

well, that is a fair point.

however, simply because he is looking for help in the gym, does not mean that he has the appropriate levels of T in his body.

I should have clarified my own statements, but I took it as he was feeling weak, and felt that possibly he was low on testosterone.

I have questioned this myself and only learned about possible lower testosterone based on my asking my doctor. I did end up getting tested and was found to be normal.

Hey, let's get one thing straight. No one here is normal!!

[iliketime]

Originally Posted by BristolCavendish

(1) Do seniors ever use supplements or is this muscle bulk naturally achieved via diet and workouts. (2) True six-pack abs? (3) Arnold today

the ole gh gut

[superdog]

Originally Posted by Rolex addict

Hey, let's get one thing straight. No one here is normal!!

ha. yeah, no joke!!!

[Manofsteelpt]

Originally Posted by BristolCavendish

(1) Do seniors ever use supplements or is this muscle bulk naturally achieved via diet and workouts. (2) True six-pack abs? (3) Arnold today

Not sure on the guy on the left, the middle guys gut is clearly photoshopped and the one of Arnold is also photoshopped. Arnold does NOT look like that.

[Manofsteelpt]

Unless Arnold developed an extra row of abs, and his belly button lowered by a few inches...


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[JasoninDenver]

At 31, I was diagnosed with testicular cancer and had "Lefty" removed. At the time, I was told that I would have to be aware of my levels, especially as I got older. The doctors were not able to stablish a pre-surgical baseline T level for me as it was felt that Lefty had not been producing healthy levels for many years prior to surgery. ironically, I had felt a decline in energy and performance for nearly a year prior to diagnosis.

After surgery, I slowly felt a return of some normal energy and performance as Pancho took ovr duties from now departed Lefty. I was an avid cyclist and it took several months before I was able to get back up to where my friends were riding but I made it on the power of one.

However, when I turned 40, evrything turned to crappo. My riding times dropped precipitously and no amount of training would improve my performance. Over the next few years my timed hill climb route went from 27 minutes to 37 minutes.

More importantly, my energy and drive fell off of a cliff. I would fall asleep watching the vening news after work and sometims needed a nap at work. I was irritable ALL of the time.

My family physician said I was depressed and wanted me to go on anti-depessants. I had to demand a referral to an endocrinologst. T level testing came in at the low end range of normal levels - barely on the scale of 300 - 1200 ng/dl. Consequently, supplementation was not advised, at least until I fell out of the reference range.

Four more years passed. Sagging energy, multiple muscle related injuries that occurred after simple activities, horrible mood, transient aches and pains not related to any activity. I honestly was ready to give up. I did not care if I saw 60.

After a shouder surgery and minor complications, I was sent to another doctor for a post surgical injection. He found an inflammation response in the joint and started questioning me on potential causes. Celiac?? Diabetic?? Low T???

After he had concerns about my levls, I was referred to another doctor with an emphasis on male hormonal therapy.

Within 5 minutes, he said my condition was typical of people facing low levels as they age. He was stunned that no other doctor considerd intervention given my history. He then explained that the reference range I was being judged against included people with unheatlhy T levels due to cancer or other disease as well as men up to 80. He said I had the T levels of a 75 year old man, once the range was adjusted for age.

I am now on a regimen where I inject twice per week. I have to undergo quarterly labs to check levels and monitor any adverse hormonal reactions. These are risks of this therapy and must be closely monitored. Risks include higher chances of prostate cancer. Howvr, risks of low T include higher storke and cardiovascular events. It is a balancing act not to be undertaken lightly.

After 4 months, I am alive again. I feel great. I can ride with my friends again. I am getting results on the bike and at the gym that I have not had in 20 years. And my T levels are now in the normal age-adjusted range.

My side effects initially were a rollercoaster effect on once a week injections and a surge of chest and back acne. These went away after going to twice weekly injections. I have had a degree of shrinkage on Pancho's side as it sees the injected testosterone and thinks it is now longer needed. That may have to be addressed.

I am not supercharging my system in the hopes of thumbing my nose at the normal aging process, I am simply trying to stay even with men of my own age. This is exactly what replacement therapy is intended to do.

If anyone is serious about this issue, they should: (1)consult with a specialist, (2) get their available and free T levels tested, and (3) ask how those levels compare with men of your age.

[locutus49]

Great post. We are fortunate to have this forum where people can speak honestly on these issues. As I said previously, building up muscle when you are in your 60's is a very gradual process, but the Androgel seems to help. My wife has assured me I have not grown breasts, so, so far so good

Originally Posted by JasoninDenver

At 31, I was diagnosed with testicular cancer and had "Lefty" removed. At the time, I was told that I would have to be aware of my levels, especially as I got older. The doctors were not able to stablish a pre-surgical baseline T level for me as it was felt that Lefty had not been producing healthy levels for many years prior to surgery. ironically, I had felt a decline in energy and performance for nearly a year prior to diagnosis.

After surgery, I slowly felt a return of some normal energy and performance as Pancho took ovr duties from now departed Lefty. I was an avid cyclist and it took several months before I was able to get back up to where my friends were riding but I made it on the power of one.

However, when I turned 40, evrything turned to crappo. My riding times dropped precipitously and no amount of training would improve my performance. Over the next few years my timed hill climb route went from 27 minutes to 37 minutes.

More importantly, my energy and drive fell off of a cliff. I would fall asleep watching the vening news after work and sometims needed a nap at work. I was irritable ALL of the time.

My family physician said I was depressed and wanted me to go on anti-depessants. I had to demand a referral to an endocrinologst. T level testing came in at the low end range of normal levels - barely on the scale of 300 - 1200 ng/dl. Consequently, supplementation was not advised, at least until I fell out of the reference range.

Four more years passed. Sagging energy, multiple muscle related injuries that occurred after simple activities, horrible mood, transient aches and pains not related to any activity. I honestly was ready to give up. I did not care if I saw 60.

After a shouder surgery and minor complications, I was sent to another doctor for a post surgical injection. He found an inflammation response in the joint and started questioning me on potential causes. Celiac?? Diabetic?? Low T???

After he had concerns about my levls, I was referred to another doctor with an emphasis on male hormonal therapy.

Within 5 minutes, he said my condition was typical of people facing low levels as they age. He was stunned that no other doctor considerd intervention given my history. He then explained that the reference range I was being judged against included people with unheatlhy T levels due to cancer or other disease as well as men up to 80. He said I had the T levels of a 75 year old man, once the range was adjusted for age.

I am now on a regimen where I inject twice per week. I have to undergo quarterly labs to check levels and monitor any adverse hormonal reactions. These are risks of this therapy and must be closely monitored. Risks include higher chances of prostate cancer. Howvr, risks of low T include higher storke and cardiovascular events. It is a balancing act not to be undertaken lightly.

After 4 months, I am alive again. I feel great. I can ride with my friends again. I am getting results on the bike and at the gym that I have not had in 20 years. And my T levels are now in the normal age-adjusted range.

My side effects initially were a rollercoaster effect on once a week injections and a surge of chest and back acne. These went away after going to twice weekly injections. I have had a degree of shrinkage on Pancho's side as it sees the injected testosterone and thinks it is now longer needed. That may have to be addressed.

I am not supercharging my system in the hopes of thumbing my nose at the normal aging process, I am simply trying to stay even with men of my own age. This is exactly what replacement therapy is intended to do.

If anyone is serious about this issue, they should: (1)consult with a specialist, (2) get their available and free T levels tested, and (3) ask how those levels compare with men of your age.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by Rolex addict

Hey, let's get one thing straight. No one here is normal!!

I am... the voices in my head tell me so every day!

[Maybelline]

Jason in Denver with an awesome post.

[Moggo]

Originally Posted by JasoninDenver

At 31, I was diagnosed with testicular cancer and had "Lefty" removed. At the time, I was told that I would have to be aware of my levels, especially as I got older. The doctors were not able to stablish a pre-surgical baseline T level for me as it was felt that Lefty had not been producing healthy levels for many years prior to surgery. ironically, I had felt a decline in energy and performance for nearly a year prior to diagnosis.



After surgery, I slowly felt a return of some normal energy and performance as Pancho took ovr duties from now departed Lefty. I was an avid cyclist and it took several months before I was able to get back up to where my friends were riding but I made it on the power of one.



However, when I turned 40, evrything turned to crappo. My riding times dropped precipitously and no amount of training would improve my performance. Over the next few years my timed hill climb route went from 27 minutes to 37 minutes.



More importantly, my energy and drive fell off of a cliff. I would fall asleep watching the vening news after work and sometims needed a nap at work. I was irritable ALL of the time.



My family physician said I was depressed and wanted me to go on anti-depessants. I had to demand a referral to an endocrinologst. T level testing came in at the low end range of normal levels - barely on the scale of 300 - 1200 ng/dl. Consequently, supplementation was not advised, at least until I fell out of the reference range.



Four more years passed. Sagging energy, multiple muscle related injuries that occurred after simple activities, horrible mood, transient aches and pains not related to any activity. I honestly was ready to give up. I did not care if I saw 60.



After a shouder surgery and minor complications, I was sent to another doctor for a post surgical injection. He found an inflammation response in the joint and started questioning me on potential causes. Celiac?? Diabetic?? Low T???



After he had concerns about my levls, I was referred to another doctor with an emphasis on male hormonal therapy.



Within 5 minutes, he said my condition was typical of people facing low levels as they age. He was stunned that no other doctor considerd intervention given my history. He then explained that the reference range I was being judged against included people with unheatlhy T levels due to cancer or other disease as well as men up to 80. He said I had the T levels of a 75 year old man, once the range was adjusted for age.



I am now on a regimen where I inject twice per week. I have to undergo quarterly labs to check levels and monitor any adverse hormonal reactions. These are risks of this therapy and must be closely monitored. Risks include higher chances of prostate cancer. Howvr, risks of low T include higher storke and cardiovascular events. It is a balancing act not to be undertaken lightly.



After 4 months, I am alive again. I feel great. I can ride with my friends again. I am getting results on the bike and at the gym that I have not had in 20 years. And my T levels are now in the normal age-adjusted range.



My side effects initially were a rollercoaster effect on once a week injections and a surge of chest and back acne. These went away after going to twice weekly injections. I have had a degree of shrinkage on Pancho's side as it sees the injected testosterone and thinks it is now longer needed. That may have to be addressed.



I am not supercharging my system in the hopes of thumbing my nose at the normal aging process, I am simply trying to stay even with men of my own age. This is exactly what replacement therapy is intended to do.



If anyone is serious about this issue, they should: (1)consult with a specialist, (2) get their available and free T levels tested, and (3) ask how those levels compare with men of your age.

Great post Who is Pancho by the way?!

Glad you are on the mend :)


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[rr-nyc]

Originally Posted by Moggo

Great post Who is Pancho by the way?!


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Waiter... check please!

[sahcivan]

Thanks for all the replies gentleman.

I'm using it for purely recreational purposes, it's not been prescribed by a doctor.

I'm only 26 so test depletion isn't something that's been a problem, it's more of a top up

[Maybelline]

Originally Posted by sahcivan

Thanks for all the replies gentleman.

I'm using it for purely recreational purposes, it's not been prescribed by a doctor.

I'm only 26 so test depletion isn't something that's been a problem, it's more of a top up

You will regret that decision when you are older.

[dmash]

Originally Posted by sahcivan

Thanks for all the replies gentleman.

I'm using it for purely recreational purposes, it's not been prescribed by a doctor.

I'm only 26 so test depletion isn't something that's been a problem, it's more of a top up

*Mods please delete if not appropriate, wasn't sure how explicit we can talk about such subjects.

You're on the wrong forum asking for opinions. Can assure you 95%+ on TRF aren't heavy weight lifters and are going to wholly disagree with you. However, go on some more bodybuilding or anabolic based board and you can get some first hand opinions. Being around bodybuilding for quite some time, I'd definitely say well over 50% who are 'serious' about it, have dabbled in anabolics by 26. It's way more common than you think.

FWIW I like to think I have some pretty extensive knowledge on the subject and low dose test at 26 is entirely fine in moderation and keeping an eye on bloods. However here's the thing, at 26 you could still be pumping 4 digit test numbers and a low dose test cycle (TRT dosages) will actually give you LOWER numbers than you're producing naturally. If you have insurance simply go to your physician and tell him you have some friends that had low T, youre feeling super lethargic all the time, yada yada yada and get him to test your T. That way you at least have a quantifiable measure of where you stand and it's not just in your head. Not to mention, if you have an actual problem (does affect a fair amount of individuals before 35 or so) you would be able to get pharmaceutical products, covered by insurance, and be seen under the supervision of a physician to properly ensure stable bloods and minimal side effects.

Also, you need to more thoroughly research. You're not 'topping up' anything by taking test. Over weeks time, you're completely shutting down your natural test production and it's replaced with the product you're taking. You don't maintain all your natural levels and this just gets 'added in'. This is why you see the side effect of 'testicular shrinkage' without the addition of HCG.

[Tony64]

So let's see: shrinking gonads, enlarging prostate, but I'll look buff for my friends?
Pass.

i do agree with the poster above though - shop around and you'll get the answer you want.