AP Royal Concept GMT vs Richard Mille 011-02

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by LAFLARE

Wow that looks amazing! I can see it being a little bigger but the beauty of it is kind of taking over my eyes!

It’s costs more than your car too! (The RR)


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[Xerxes77]

Btw this 2 RM

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by AshAP

It’s costs more than your car too! (The RR)


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what about the private jet? Or was that a lease?

[SC11]

Originally Posted by AshAP

It’s costs more than your car too! (The RR)


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And with a penny discount

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by SC11

And with a penny discount

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[LAFLARE]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

what about the private jet? Or was that a lease?

Hey! I was just a passenger invited on to the flight and took advantage of the lovely surrounding! Not my PJ! I wish it was though

[LAFLARE]

Originally Posted by SC11

And with a penny discount

Taking trades anyone? hi

[SC11]

Originally Posted by LAFLARE

Taking trades anyone? hi

It’s a joke between Ash and I..

When we tried the Concept on it went something like this

Ash: ‘yeah it’s nice, is there any room for discount’

Sales assistant: ‘no discount, I’m afraid’

Ash: ‘what not a penny?!’

Sales assistant: ‘oh yes I can do a penny off’

[LAFLARE]

Originally Posted by SC11

It’s a joke between Ash and I..

When we tried the Concept on it went something like this

Ash: ‘yeah it’s nice, is there any room for discount’

Sales assistant: ‘no discount, I’m afraid’

Ash: ‘what not a penny?!’

Sales assistant: ‘oh yes I can do a penny off’

I could see that happening in a Will Ferrel movie back in the prime of his dry humor days

[s14roller]

Visually the RM.

[toucan]

I would keep looking for some other choices at this price point.

[ros]

Not sure what happened to my original reply but what I will say is in terms of comfort, the RM hands down. The concept doesn't suit a lot of wrists and you have to be happy with that but if it suits yours then its awesome. I will say the RM visually is also more striking but at the end of the day you need to be happy with your choice.

Also keep in mind at this price point you have a number of options where you can get something special.

[fai9al]

Concept is hard to beat!

[Doctock]

I'm sorry, but the entire RM line looks like a marketing ploy to turn a LEGO watch into something overpaid athletes "must" now own.

The AP Concept series also concerns me, especially in light of the "suggested" SIHH 2018 releases (which also are imho hideous).

I know innovation must march forward, and there are limits to what a timepiece can look like and still be functional, but this watch guy calls "Emperor's New Clothes" on the entire RM line and the Concept series.

(AND NO - this is NOT someone "bitter" I cannot afford one - I could, I'd just rather have 2-3 more ROO in 42mm and a few more PP!)

[Marciano490]

Originally Posted by Doctock

I'm sorry, but the entire RM line looks like a marketing ploy to turn a LEGO watch into something overpaid athletes "must" now own.

The AP Concept series also concerns me, especially in light of the "suggested" SIHH 2018 releases (which also are imho hideous).

I know innovation must march forward, and there are limits to what a timepiece can look like and still be functional, but this watch guy calls "Emperor's New Clothes" on the entire RM line and the Concept series.

(AND NO - this is NOT someone "bitter" I cannot afford one - I could, I'd just rather have 2-3 more ROO in 42mm and a few more PP!)

I like the look of some of the concepts and a few Milles, but I appreciate where you're coming from.

I used to date a stylist, and before buying clothes, she'd always have me answer whether I was getting something for myself or everyone else. I think that's a very pertinent question when buying a watch.

With regard to my collection, I've really tried lately to keep in mind that 99% of the world knows nothing about watches and to reconcile myself to the fact that, yes, I do want the things I buy and wear to look nice and valuable, like the clothes I have on.

With that in mind, it's been more difficult for me to justify spending over 100k on most Milles or these AP concepts because to anyone on the street they look toy-ish or something that can be bought for $100 at Diesel. I appreciate the craftsmanship and whatnot, but at that price, I want something that EVERYONE will be able to evaluate. The Mille black toro and the 11-03s are gorgeous and worth the price. Others and most concepts I would have a really hard time explaining to a lay person that I spent 100k+ on.

[watchucallit]

I have a totally different approach. I do not care what others think.. i buy what i like for me. I really do not care what others think. If you care what others think why not just have a bunch of rolexes. The majority know a rolex but most people have no idea about Patek.

Originally Posted by Marciano490

I like the look of some of the concepts and a few Milles, but I appreciate where you're coming from.

I used to date a stylist, and before buying clothes, she'd always have me answer whether I was getting something for myself or everyone else. I think that's a very pertinent question when buying a watch.

With regard to my collection, I've really tried lately to keep in mind that 99% of the world knows nothing about watches and to reconcile myself to the fact that, yes, I do want the things I buy and wear to look nice and valuable, like the clothes I have on.

With that in mind, it's been more difficult for me to justify spending over 100k on most Milles or these AP concepts because to anyone on the street they look toy-ish or something that can be bought for $100 at Diesel. I appreciate the craftsmanship and whatnot, but at that price, I want something that EVERYONE will be able to evaluate. The Mille black toro and the 11-03s are gorgeous and worth the price. Others and most concepts I would have a really hard time explaining to a lay person that I spent 100k+ on.

[Marciano490]

Originally Posted by watchucallit

I have a totally different approach. I do not care what others think.. i buy what i like for me. I really do not care what others think. If you care what others think why not just have a bunch of rolexes. The majority know a rolex but most people have no idea about Patek.

Because I live in the real world and interact with a bunch of people and after awhile it's grating to have people snicker when they find out you paid 150k for a watch that looks like a hunk of plastic. I assume you go around in sweats and comfy slippers?

[watchucallit]

I do not going around telling people how i paid for a watch. I guess according to your criteria if they were designer sweats and slippers I should be ok. Seriously, dress attire is not the same type of argument.
In an extreme example-- No one would criticize me if i did not wear a watch but if i walked into a room with any clothes? I know people who wear suit and tie and an apple watch.

[tyler1980]

I love TRF deep thoughts

as much as we would like to think we make decisions independent of outside influences, we don't. We have an illusion that our ideas and preferences are ours alone but thats not how our brains work. Sure, you have to like a watch to buy it but why you like it in the first place isnt a decision made in a vacuum. Some people choose a watch that most people hate. Part of why they do is to be different and thus the decision is based in part about other people's ideas about what is normal, and that persons goal of trying to be different from others. Some choose a watch that is popular, and that decision is is also influenced by other peoples perceptions too.

Its a balance of choosing a watch you like the best and also choosing one that sends the message you want to send. Both of those criteria though are influenced by several factors including both internal and external forces.

You cant say that what other people think doesn't have any bearing on what you pick because it does.

[Watch Admirer]

Not a single person in the world buys a watch only for himself - surroundings and entourage plays a big role

[PJ S]

Originally Posted by Watch Admirer

Not a single person in the world buys a watch only for himself - surroundings and entourage plays a big role

Rubbish!
Not everyone is as shallow as you’re trying to portray – I’m sure there are many like myself, where each watch purchased has been purely due to its design hitting the right spot at the time, and still does.
The watches I’ve purchased are for my own personal enjoyment, rather than to convey something to anyone just passing by or being interacted with.

[Marciano490]

Originally Posted by watchucallit

I do not going around telling people how i paid for a watch. I guess according to your criteria if they were designer sweats and slippers I should be ok. Seriously, dress attire is not the same type of argument.
In an extreme example-- No one would criticize me if i did not wear a watch but if i walked into a room with any clothes? I know people who wear suit and tie and an apple watch.

Everyone has a smartphone on them. When I wore a Mille and people asked what it was, thirty seconds later they'd googled the price tag.

I'm not saying that my primary criteria for purchases aren't my own tastes and predilections, but if I'm spending money on something mainly for aesthetic purposes, as I do with watches, I want the appearance to be commensurate with the price.

To me, and people I've been around, a 5270 looks like 100k watch; a red Nadal doesn't. Is that the only reason to get the former over the latter? No. Is it something I consider when allocating resources towards purchases? Yes.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Marciano490

Because I live in the real world and interact with a bunch of people and after awhile it's grating to have people snicker when they find out you paid 150k for a watch that looks like a hunk of plastic. I assume you go around in sweats and comfy slippers?

We certainly feed off of each other, but I care more about what other WIS, like this forum think, than civilians in the street. In fact as I get older I want my expensive watches noticed less and less as this endless recession grows deeper. I know you are/were a boxer so I think that helps for you, I used to box too, but the older I get the more English I get and so I'd rather not get into fist fights over my watch, altho thieves use weapons these days.

Let your clothes or even your car do your public speaking, but I prefer my watches to be mine own private kingdom.

[Marciano490]

Originally Posted by AK797

We certainly feed off of each other, but I care more about what other WIS, like this forum think, than civilians in the street. In fact as I get older I want my expensive watches noticed less and less as this endless recession grows deeper. I know you are/were a boxer so I think that helps for you, I used to box too, but the older I get the more English I get and so I'd rather not get into fist fights over my watch, altho thieves use weapons these days.

Let your clothes or even your car do your public speaking, but I prefer my watches to be mine own private kingdom.

It's funny, the only watch people ever seem to notice or recognize is my BLNR; if I were to get robbed for a watch, I imagine that'd be the one targeted.

When I spent more time on the forum, I certainly was more influenced by WIS and finding rare, scarce models, but I noticed so little overlap between what was considered attractive here and in my actual day to day life, and, frankly, so little commonality between my own style and look and those of most other collectors, that I've moved away from letting the watch crowd influence my decisions beyond considering what might be a stable piece price wise.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Marciano490

It's funny, the only watch people ever seem to notice or recognize is my BLNR; if I were to get robbed for a watch, I imagine that'd be the one targeted.

When I spent more time on the forum, I certainly was more influenced by WIS and finding rare, scarce models, but I noticed so little overlap between what was considered attractive here and in my actual day to day life, and, frankly, so little commonality between my own style and look and those of most other collectors, that I've moved away from letting the watch crowd influence my decisions beyond considering what might be a stable piece price wise.

Def the Rolexes will get the most negative attention and I think the hype now is unprecedented and UK robberies seem to be climbing alarmingly. I must admit I picture them and go at the punching bag harder these days, but as these robbers use acid and machetes it really is better to offer no resistance.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Marciano490

It's funny, the only watch people ever seem to notice or recognize is my BLNR; if I were to get robbed for a watch, I imagine that'd be the one targeted.

When I spent more time on the forum, I certainly was more influenced by WIS and finding rare, scarce models, but I noticed so little overlap between what was considered attractive here and in my actual day to day life, and, frankly, so little commonality between my own style and look and those of most other collectors, that I've moved away from letting the watch crowd influence my decisions beyond considering what might be a stable piece price wise.

i know my entire family is convinced my GMT II is my most valuable watch. Its the only one they are even remotely interested in or that they ever mention when visiting them. Its doesn't bother me either way, but it is what it is.

[Marciano490]

Originally Posted by AK797

Def the Rolexes will get the most negative attention and I think the hype now is unprecedented and UK robberies seem to be climbing alarmingly. I must admit I picture them and go at the punching bag harder these days, but as these robbers use acid and machetes it really is better to offer no resistance.

It's funny, the only time anyone ever attempted to rob me was in SoHo (yours, not mine) when I was there as a teenager. Coming out of a pub, two guys set open us and asked for our money. One claimed to have a knife, but kept his hand in his pocket, and the whole episode ended up turning rather emotional as one of the would-be muggers broke down apologizing and said he had a drug habit when we (stupidly in hindsight) refused to give over our money.

I was there a month or so ago, and ended up in a bit of a dodgy part of town around 1 AM for reasons I won't get into, waiting for a cab in front of a store with a woman I was seeing. A couple approached us and started asking a bunch of questions; I believe I was wearing my ROC, but under a sleeve and knew better to engage with funny looking, inquisitive strangers on a street corner.

I should be generally smarter about what I wear and where, but I think I've gotten so used to not feeling threatened I get careless sometimes.

[watchucallit]

I agree with what you summarize including the fact that what other people think will have some influence on what you buy or wear. However, I think what other people think influences individuals to a different degree. In terms of a watch-- I am more influenced by folks here who know watches and can give me insights into issues like wearability--- resale value-- dependability. I really do not care what Joe Smoe or any colleague/friend who knows nothing about watches thinks.

Originally Posted by tyler1980

I love TRF deep thoughts

as much as we would like to think we make decisions independent of outside influences, we don't. We have an illusion that our ideas and preferences are ours alone but thats not how our brains work. Sure, you have to like a watch to buy it but why you like it in the first place isnt a decision made in a vacuum. Some people choose a watch that most people hate. Part of why they do is to be different and thus the decision is based in part about other people's ideas about what is normal, and that persons goal of trying to be different from others. Some choose a watch that is popular, and that decision is is also influenced by other peoples perceptions too.

Its a balance of choosing a watch you like the best and also choosing one that sends the message you want to send. Both of those criteria though are influenced by several factors including both internal and external forces.

You cant say that what other people think doesn't have any bearing on what you pick because it does.

[watchucallit]

I have essentially ruled out the AP. Now i am still considering the RM.. It would be between the RM 11-02 vs 11-03

[Superburrito]

Originally Posted by Watch Admirer

Not a single person in the world buys a watch only for himself - surroundings and entourage plays a big role

Funny, I wear my nicest watch primarily just at home, so really it's only my wife and I that can see it. For me a gold AP is too flashy to wear at my work or for travel, or to walk around in quasi-shady areas, which I do every day where I live (San Francisco). To me a fine watch is a reminder of success after a couple of decades of hard work.