vintage rolex tudor 7016/0 , need some advise

[davetam19]

I found a Vintage tudor 7016/0 on ebay , it looks very nice condition.
but i have some concern about the caseback (words style) and the bracelet, can somebody give me some advise?

[davetam19]

is it true?

[alwayshere]

fake

[Jeffwb65]

Originally Posted by davetam19

is it true?

Sorry, it's a fake. The engraved letters should be very clean and crisp looking. I had a Blue Snowflake, new from an AD back in the 80s and early 90s. The it should look like this.

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

fake

really?

Originally Posted by Jeffwb65

Sorry, it's a fake/ The engraved letters should be very clean and crisp looking. I had a Blue Snowflake, new from an AD back in the 80s and early 90s. The it should look like this.
Attachment 940047

really?

I think the OP's watch is looking pretty good! The hands look a bit iffy though.

[DLRIDES]

Am I the only one that noticed ETA scratched by hand on the movement ?

[Jeffwb65]

Originally Posted by DLRIDES

Am I the only one that noticed ETA scratched by hand on the movement ?

That was my point about the engraving on the caseback. We need to see a clearer straight on pic, but the lettering looks uneven and handmade.

[davetam19]

Originally Posted by DLRIDES

Am I the only one that noticed ETA scratched by hand on the movement ?

but is this 2483 is true ?

[bazamu]

Originally Posted by Jeffwb65

Sorry, it's a fake. The engraved letters should be very clean and crisp looking. I had a Blue Snowflake, new from an AD back in the 80s and early 90s. The it should look like this.
Attachment 940047

FWIW, 7928 and 7016/7021's didn't have a caseback like yours (it looked like the one pictured here). This watch has some serious question marks - the biggest being the "ETA" that looks scratched on via a safety pin - but the caseback alone wouldn't rule out authenticity.

OP - this is a quick lesson to do your own homework regardless of the answers on any forum

[Fredrik]

Bracelet and end links have reference numbers that are incorrect as far as I know.

[linesiders]

Having owned or handled several of these:

Insert / dial / case / movement all fine

Caseback engraving is fine

ETA is hand scratched in plate in this case but is usually missing altogether on these - the 2483 in this watch is fine and has correct rotor .

Hands are aftermarket - all three hands

This watch should have a Big Bubble sweep. Proper 7016 Big Bubble Sweep hands are pretty much unobtanium - I have seen three sets come available over the past 3-4 years and I have two of those sets and they are not for sale ; )

[DLRIDES]

Originally Posted by Jeffwb65

That was my point about the engraving on the caseback. We need to see a clearer straight on pic, but the lettering looks uneven and handmade.

Note hand scribed ETA in photo. Not caseback, but on movement beside 2483.




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[davetam19]

Originally Posted by linesiders

Having owned or handled several of these:

Insert / dial / case / movement all fine

Caseback engraving is fine

ETA is hand scratched in plate in this case but is usually missing altogether on these - the 2483 in this watch is fine and has correct rotor .

Hands are aftermarket - all three hands

This watch should have a Big Bubble sweep. Proper 7016 Big Bubble Sweep hands are pretty much unobtanium - I have seen three sets come available over the past 3-4 years and I have two of those sets and they are not for sale ; )

what is Big Bubble sweep ?

[alwayshere]

Upon closer inspection, stand corrected on the insert and dial now.

The case is still questionable though IMO (that caseback engraving looks off - maybe the angle?). The movement is indeed fine.

Bracelet fake of course.

Originally Posted by linesiders

Having owned or handled several of these:

Insert / dial / case / movement all fine

Caseback engraving is fine

ETA is hand scratched in plate in this case but is usually missing altogether on these - the 2483 in this watch is fine and has correct rotor .

Hands are aftermarket - all three hands

This watch should have a Big Bubble sweep. Proper 7016 Big Bubble Sweep hands are pretty much unobtanium - I have seen three sets come available over the past 3-4 years and I have two of those sets and they are not for sale ; )

[R.O.L.E.X]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

Upon closer inspection, stand corrected on the insert and dial now.

The case is still questionable though IMO (that caseback engraving looks off - maybe the angle?). The movement is indeed fine.

Bracelet fake of course.

The caseback seems to of been polished which has affected the engraving. I don't think the caseback is fake.

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by R.O.L.E.X

The caseback seems to of been polished which has affected the engraving. I don't think the caseback is fake.

you might be right...

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by davetam19

what is Big Bubble sweep ?

The bubble on the second hand is larger than normal - close to the size of a round marker

[davetam19]

Originally Posted by linesiders

The bubble on the second hand is larger than normal - close to the size of a round marker

Got it , and it seem very new , maybe it was replaced after the service

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by davetam19

Got it , and it seem very new , maybe it was replaced after the service

Many have been replaced because the get grungy or the lume falls out. However the hands on that watch on Ebay are aftermarket - not even factory service hands. IMO that is an important caveat.

[gman5515]

Originally Posted by linesiders

many have been replaced because the get grungy or the lume falls out. However the hands on that watch on ebay are aftermarket - not even factory service hands. Imo that is an important caveat.

+1

[gman5515]

IMHO, the bezel insert looks good, case and caseback should be ok.. But the endlinks and braclelet are not original for sure. Perhaps they are aftermarket.

movement rotor looks like it has been replaced, where it does not have the Tudor I have a rose 7016 and snowflake 7016, and both versions did indeed use the ETA 2483, but on the movement, it should only be engraved "2483", there is no ETA engravings on the movement. Here's a pic of the movement

Hope this helps

[linesiders]

Rotor is fine - not replaced

[davetam19]

This watch got a high prices at the end . US $6,763 !!

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by davetam19

This watch got a high prices at the end . US $6,763 !!

Would have been a proper price with correct hands