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CollectorD · 6 June 2018, 12:58 AM

Hi,

I'm inquiring about a 5514 that I came across that has the helium escape valve but it doesn't have Comex on the caseback nor on the dial. Dial looks solid and original though.

Did they make any of these with subs with the helium valve that weren't Comex? Or was the caseback replaced?

Thanks!

roh123 · 6 June 2018, 01:01 AM

Tread carefully. It is common that logo dials got replaced but without it and without the original caseback I would not trust the case without provenance or being in the Comex log books. There are quite many fakes around and I do know of ”extra cases” which some claim to be Rolex but never were delivered to Comex.

CollectorD · 6 June 2018, 01:08 AM

So is it possible that there were some extra 5514 replacement pieces that weren't labeled Comex anywhere?

roh123 · 6 June 2018, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by CollectorD

So is it possible that there were some extra 5514 replacement pieces that weren't labeled Comex anywhere?

According to some people having them. They have no value in my world and I would say it is likely some, or all, are fake. A Comex without logo dial and caseback without provenance feels mostly like headache to me.

Jed, Mike Wood and Haywood will probably have better advice than me on this topic as they are much, much more knowledgable.

CollectorD · 6 June 2018, 01:16 AM

Thanks, makes a lot of sense.

albaserver · 6 June 2018, 02:53 AM

Serial n.? Type of dial? Some pic?

I think we need more info but 5514 without dial or caseback by Comex exist.

CollectorD · 6 June 2018, 03:15 AM

some pics, sorry for shitty quality

albaserver · 6 June 2018, 03:37 AM

Serial n.?

CollectorD · 6 June 2018, 03:44 AM

Dont have it

omitohud · 6 June 2018, 05:44 AM

It would be a hard sell without any provenance. Maybe if you give it to Rolex for service, it would authenticate the HEV? Decommissioned watches usually have the back rubbed off. Is it my eyes, or do I see the remnant of huge “8” on the case back? Maybe just a reflection though. The dial matches the ones used for prototype 5513/5514 comex though. The insert is service obviously.

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albaserver · 6 June 2018, 07:13 AM

I expected a pre-comex dial, but without serial number it's harder.

Anyway, it cold be that during a Rolex Service you can get a verify about the provenance of the watch...

6 June 2018, 12:58 AM	#1
CollectorD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Real Name: Dan Location: NYC Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 355	5514 without Comex on dial/caseback? Hi, I'm inquiring about a 5514 that I came across that has the helium escape valve but it doesn't have Comex on the caseback nor on the dial. Dial looks solid and original though. Did they make any of these with subs with the helium valve that weren't Comex? Or was the caseback replaced? Thanks!

6 June 2018, 01:01 AM	#2
roh123 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: Per Location: Sweden Watch: Gilt Rolex Posts: 2,946	Tread carefully. It is common that logo dials got replaced but without it and without the original caseback I would not trust the case without provenance or being in the Comex log books. There are quite many fakes around and I do know of ”extra cases” which some claim to be Rolex but never were delivered to Comex. __________________ Instagram: @perj123

6 June 2018, 02:53 AM	#6
albaserver "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Milan Posts: 170	Serial n.? Type of dial? Some pic? I think we need more info but 5514 without dial or caseback by Comex exist. __________________ Ro! Instagram: @albaserver

6 June 2018, 03:15 AM	#7
CollectorD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Real Name: Dan Location: NYC Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 355	Pictures some pics, sorry for shitty quality Attached Images

6 June 2018, 03:37 AM	#8
albaserver "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Milan Posts: 170	Serial n.? __________________ Ro! Instagram: @albaserver

6 June 2018, 01:08 AM	#3
CollectorD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Real Name: Dan Location: NYC Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 355	So is it possible that there were some extra 5514 replacement pieces that weren't labeled Comex anywhere?

6 June 2018, 01:16 AM	#5
CollectorD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Real Name: Dan Location: NYC Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 355	Thanks, makes a lot of sense.

6 June 2018, 03:44 AM	#9
CollectorD "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Real Name: Dan Location: NYC Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 355	Dont have it

6 June 2018, 05:44 AM	#10
omitohud "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Sam Location: los Angeles Posts: 2,051	It would be a hard sell without any provenance. Maybe if you give it to Rolex for service, it would authenticate the HEV? Decommissioned watches usually have the back rubbed off. Is it my eyes, or do I see the remnant of huge “8” on the case back? Maybe just a reflection though. The dial matches the ones used for prototype 5513/5514 comex though. The insert is service obviously. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

6 June 2018, 07:13 AM	#11
albaserver "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Milan Posts: 170	I expected a pre-comex dial, but without serial number it's harder. Anyway, it cold be that during a Rolex Service you can get a verify about the provenance of the watch... __________________ Ro! Instagram: @albaserver

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