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dpauley · 14 October 2018, 11:30 PM

Hello Experts:

I purchased a Rolex 18038 from a trusted seller. Recently, another trusted seller
claimed to me that my president bracelet appears to be an "Italian aftermarket".

I contacted the original seller/Trusted Seller and he was very helpful and said it was original.

I would really appreciate some help here. I have attached pictures of the clasp
The opposite blade bears the number 03.

Thank you!!!

dpauley · 14 October 2018, 11:36 PM

Here are some additional pictures

dpauley · 14 October 2018, 11:38 PM

Hopefully these are enough.

dpauley · 14 October 2018, 11:39 PM

55 B is what the end of the bracelet marking says

LuminousMaximus · 14 October 2018, 11:53 PM

If this is older watch, maybe a post in the Vintage section...?

dpauley · 15 October 2018, 12:02 AM

Serial number dates to about 1986. 18038

dpauley · 15 October 2018, 10:26 AM

Bump

springer · 15 October 2018, 10:42 AM

The bracelet sections (the links) could be aftermarket or genuine. Nothing in your photos indicate one way or the other.

The clasp hallmarks appear correct therefore genuine.

Below is a genuine bracelet from circa 1985 for comparison.

If I may make a suggestion, when adding photos for advice, it is nice to have large clear photos so proper comparisons can be made. May I suggest that the "fingers" be left at home and concentrate more on the subject of the inquiry!

harrison_cheng · 15 October 2018, 10:42 AM

looks ok to me.

dpauley · 15 October 2018, 11:18 AM

Springer, can you send me a pm with email so I can send you better pictures?

springer · 15 October 2018, 12:57 PM

I would recommend you place some close-up photos in the thread. Remove a screw or two and place some close-ups of the screws. Some close-ups of the end links - both top and bottom - and a photo of the inside of the end link where it fits up against the case.

Close-ups of the links and maybe some close-ups of the clasp hallmarks.

Lastly, who said the bracelet was aftermarket? Why did he say it was aftermarket - that's an important question to ask anyone calling something fake or aftermarket.

dpauley · 15 October 2018, 10:38 PM

Thank you Springer. I have posted the pictures I had time to post. I was "toying" with the idea of trading my 18038 and sent pictures to the prospective buyer. His reply was that he was 60% sure the watch was an aftermarket
Italian bracelet.

The person who sold me the watch is very reputable, and said that while possible he had missed that he doubted it. He sent pictures to his experts who found the bracelet genuine. He also has his watches inspected by a rolex certified watch maker prior to sell.

I am just looking for neutral confirmation other than sending to Rolex ( ultimately that may be what is needed).

dpauley · 16 October 2018, 02:31 AM

I can provide more pictures if needed

springer · 16 October 2018, 05:42 AM

Show some screws. Take them out of the sides of the bracelet.

Show the inside of the end links with the number.

Your Photos are small too.

crowncollection · 16 October 2018, 07:47 AM

All appears ok clasp and endlinks therefore the like section with non removable links is original you could have a few aftermarket links. You need to remove them and show the screw and since view of the link hole

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=265249

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enginerd · 16 October 2018, 08:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crowncollection

All appears ok clasp and endlinks therefore the like section with non removable links is original you could have a few aftermarket links. You need to remove them and show the screw and since view of the link hole

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=265249

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Awesome. I was wondering why the hallmark on my 1996 bark 8723 DD bracelet was different than others I had seen prior. I have a St. Bernard mark, which correlates to that thread. Good info!

dpauley · 16 October 2018, 11:25 AM

some additional photos per request from Springer.

dpauley · 16 October 2018, 11:00 PM

Additional Photos

omitohud · 17 October 2018, 02:42 AM

It looks fine to me. I’ve never seen a fake this good.

I blame it on autoconnect.

dpauley · 17 October 2018, 08:04 AM

bump

crowncollection · 17 October 2018, 08:16 AM

Screw Looks ok

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springer · 17 October 2018, 09:29 AM

[QUOTE=crowncollection;9015027]Screw Looks ok

X2.

14 October 2018, 11:30 PM	#1
dpauley Banned Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Nebraska Watch: Rolex 18038 Posts: 172	PLEASE HELP AUTHENTICATE 8385 President Hello Experts: I purchased a Rolex 18038 from a trusted seller. Recently, another trusted seller claimed to me that my president bracelet appears to be an "Italian aftermarket". I contacted the original seller/Trusted Seller and he was very helpful and said it was original. I would really appreciate some help here. I have attached pictures of the clasp The opposite blade bears the number 03. Thank you!!! Attached Images

14 October 2018, 11:36 PM	#2
dpauley Banned Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Nebraska Watch: Rolex 18038 Posts: 172	additional pictures Here are some additional pictures Attached Images

14 October 2018, 11:38 PM	#3
dpauley Banned Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Nebraska Watch: Rolex 18038 Posts: 172	More pictures Hopefully these are enough. Attached Images

14 October 2018, 11:53 PM	#5
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15 October 2018, 10:42 AM	#8
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	The bracelet sections (the links) could be aftermarket or genuine. Nothing in your photos indicate one way or the other. The clasp hallmarks appear correct therefore genuine. Below is a genuine bracelet from circa 1985 for comparison. If I may make a suggestion, when adding photos for advice, it is nice to have large clear photos so proper comparisons can be made. May I suggest that the "fingers" be left at home and concentrate more on the subject of the inquiry! Attached Images __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

14 October 2018, 11:39 PM	#4
dpauley Banned Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Nebraska Watch: Rolex 18038 Posts: 172	55 B is what the end of the bracelet marking says

15 October 2018, 12:02 AM	#6
dpauley Banned Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Nebraska Watch: Rolex 18038 Posts: 172	Serial number dates to about 1986. 18038

15 October 2018, 10:26 AM	#7
dpauley Banned Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Nebraska Watch: Rolex 18038 Posts: 172	Bump

15 October 2018, 10:42 AM	#9
harrison_cheng "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Taipei Posts: 103	looks ok to me.

15 October 2018, 11:18 AM	#10
dpauley Banned Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Nebraska Watch: Rolex 18038 Posts: 172	Springer, can you send me a pm with email so I can send you better pictures?

15 October 2018, 12:57 PM	#11
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	I would recommend you place some close-up photos in the thread. Remove a screw or two and place some close-ups of the screws. Some close-ups of the end links - both top and bottom - and a photo of the inside of the end link where it fits up against the case. Close-ups of the links and maybe some close-ups of the clasp hallmarks. Lastly, who said the bracelet was aftermarket? Why did he say it was aftermarket - that's an important question to ask anyone calling something fake or aftermarket. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

15 October 2018, 10:38 PM	#12
dpauley Banned Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Nebraska Watch: Rolex 18038 Posts: 172	Additional Photos Thank you Springer. I have posted the pictures I had time to post. I was "toying" with the idea of trading my 18038 and sent pictures to the prospective buyer. His reply was that he was 60% sure the watch was an aftermarket Italian bracelet. The person who sold me the watch is very reputable, and said that while possible he had missed that he doubted it. He sent pictures to his experts who found the bracelet genuine. He also has his watches inspected by a rolex certified watch maker prior to sell. I am just looking for neutral confirmation other than sending to Rolex ( ultimately that may be what is needed). Attached Images

16 October 2018, 02:31 AM	#13
dpauley Banned Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Nebraska Watch: Rolex 18038 Posts: 172	I can provide more pictures if needed

16 October 2018, 05:42 AM	#14
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	Show some screws. Take them out of the sides of the bracelet. Show the inside of the end links with the number. Your Photos are small too. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

16 October 2018, 07:47 AM	#15
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	All appears ok clasp and endlinks therefore the like section with non removable links is original you could have a few aftermarket links. You need to remove them and show the screw and since view of the link hole https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=265249 Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

16 October 2018, 11:25 AM	#17
dpauley Banned Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Nebraska Watch: Rolex 18038 Posts: 172	springer requested some additional photos per request from Springer. Attached Images

16 October 2018, 11:00 PM	#18
dpauley Banned Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Nebraska Watch: Rolex 18038 Posts: 172	Additional Photos Additional Photos Attached Images

17 October 2018, 02:42 AM	#19
omitohud "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Sam Location: los Angeles Posts: 2,051	It looks fine to me. I’ve never seen a fake this good. I blame it on autoconnect.

17 October 2018, 08:04 AM	#20
dpauley Banned Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Nebraska Watch: Rolex 18038 Posts: 172	bump

17 October 2018, 08:16 AM	#21
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	Screw Looks ok Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ watches many

17 October 2018, 09:29 AM	#22
springer 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,319	[QUOTE=crowncollection;9015027]Screw Looks ok X2. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

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