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polarinda · 9 January 2019, 10:58 PM

Hi, just wanna ask for collective wisdom here...

Can a P serial sub bracelet come with NON-SEL? The clasp code DE11 is 2001, which i assume is correct for P.

Possible for a P serial sub to have a 93150 non sel bracelet with correct clasp code, is what im asking.

thanks and have a great day!

Haywood_Milton · 9 January 2019, 11:07 PM

My records suggest that the SEL 93250 was introduced during the P-case number range of 16610s. I record no SEL 93250s being fitted to A-case number watches, while K-case numbers appear all to have had them.

This suggests it is possible, although I do have 93250s recorded with earlier "AB" date codes.

The SEL was introduced well before the case with solid lugs, denoted by the suffixed "16610 T" at 12 o'clock. These are found from the late Y-case number range.

Haywood

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polarinda · 9 January 2019, 11:15 PM

Thanks. So its possible but rare.

padi56 · 9 January 2019, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by polarinda

Thanks. So its possible but rare.

You PM me with the same question which I gave you my answer, then you post the same question on forum,never PM me with any question again.

Chilly Coconut · 10 January 2019, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

You PM me with the same question which I gave you my answer, then you post the same question on forum,never PM me with any question again.

Perhaps he wanted a second opinion.

Haywood_Milton · 10 January 2019, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Chilly Coconut

Perhaps he wanted a second opinion.

Yes, but Peter will suffer as I do from intrusive and unnecessary private messages from people wanting answers to questions which they could and should ask in open forum. There is an expectation of one-to-one help which puts the recipient in a difficult position at times.

The problem here became so bad that I just allow my message box to stay full.

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Chilly Coconut · 10 January 2019, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

Yes, but Peter will suffer as I do from intrusive and unnecessary private messages from people wanting answers to questions which they could and should ask in open forum. There is an expectation of one-to-one help which puts the recipient in a difficult position at times.

The problem here became so bad that I just allow my message box to stay full.

Insta : haywood_milton_rolex

Ah, I see. The curse of being an expert in one’s field, I suppose!

polarinda · 10 January 2019, 01:32 AM

Sorry Peter, not my intention to downplay your help. It just came to me that i wanted more answers from the crowd.
You were the first i go to for answers which i did.
Apologies if this all look very bad.
Wanted initially to add on to my first post about Peter already being consulted but the urgency got the better of me. My bad.

Gussed its too late anyways. Sorry.

214270Explorer · 10 January 2019, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by polarinda

Sorry Peter, not my intention to downplay your help. It just came to me that i wanted more answers from the crowd.
You were the first i go to for answers which i did.
Apologies if this all look very bad.
Wanted initially to add on to my first post about Peter already being consulted but the urgency got the better of me. My bad.

Gussed its too late anyways. Sorry.

Sometimes we (being only human) cause an unintended issue. God knows I have.

GsurgBM · 10 January 2019, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

You PM me with the same question which I gave you my answer, then you post the same question on forum,never PM me with any question again.

It’s like the soup nazi from Seinfeld. “You request special, no soup for you”!!!

Lol.

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Pureform · 10 January 2019, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

You PM me with the same question which I gave you my answer, then you post the same question on forum,never PM me with any question again.

Lol what a bitch, the guy wanted a 2nd opinion... I've had many opinions from very well established professionals that weren't right and guess what you're not a real man if you have to post this...

Chilly Coconut · 10 January 2019, 05:13 AM

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polarinda · 10 January 2019, 06:45 AM

In any case,

I did a search and found that there was once someone sold here a 93150 with DE clasp code. Year 2001. Year of the P serial. No SEL.
So if the P serials were thought to be issued with 93250 with SEL only, then what were these 93150s of similar period meant for? The 14060s?

Chilly Coconut · 10 January 2019, 07:28 AM

^Yes. 93150 with folded end links was used on 14060M right up to the discontinuation of that reference around 2010.

polarinda · 10 January 2019, 07:31 AM

Thx Chilly

mailman · 10 January 2019, 08:15 AM

I bought a BNIB 16610 from an AD in September of 2000. The SN was A943XXX. It came with a 93250 on it.

Chilly Coconut · 11 January 2019, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Pureform

Lol what a bitch, the guy wanted a 2nd opinion... I've had many opinions from very well established professionals that weren't right and guess what you're not a real man if you have to post this...

A little harsh maybe. His message was possibly better delivered through PM, but to call it a reflection on his manhood seems a bridge too far, imho.

polarinda · 11 January 2019, 01:29 AM

I have sent an apology PM to Peter immediately. He hasnt replied but i hope he forgives me.

Lesson learned, if you have asked Peter, close your case.

Btw, i passed on that sub as i think the 93150 is period correct but incorrect type for that P serial. Very likely seller swapped the 93250 sel off it.

thesharkfactor · 11 January 2019, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by polarinda

I have sent an apology PM to Peter immediately. He hasnt replied but i hope he forgives me.

Lesson learned, if you have asked Peter, close your case.

Btw, i passed on that sub as i think the 93150 is period correct but incorrect type for that P serial. Very likely seller swapped the 93250 sel off it.

No, P serial was a transition period for the SEL and case holes. It is entirely possible (and ultimately very cool) to have SEL and case holes, that's a rare watch and I would bet one that by the time it is 'vintage' may see a premium over a normal 16610.

mailman · 11 January 2019, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by mailman

I bought a BNIB 16610 from an AD in September of 2000. The SN was A943XXX. It came with a 93250 on it.

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Originally Posted by thesharkfactor

No, P serial was a transition period for the SEL and case holes. It is entirely possible (and ultimately very cool) to have SEL and case holes, that's a rare watch and I would bet one that by the time it is 'vintage' may see a premium over a normal 16610.

See my post above

9 January 2019, 10:58 PM	#1
polarinda "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Trav Location: singapore Watch: it Posts: 2,316	Rolex 16610 P serial Hi, just wanna ask for collective wisdom here... Can a P serial sub bracelet come with NON-SEL? The clasp code DE11 is 2001, which i assume is correct for P. Possible for a P serial sub to have a 93150 non sel bracelet with correct clasp code, is what im asking. thanks and have a great day!

9 January 2019, 11:07 PM	#2
Haywood_Milton "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Yes, it is ! Location: Cheshire & Mersey Watch: Military issue Sub Posts: 1,330	My records suggest that the SEL 93250 was introduced during the P-case number range of 16610s. I record no SEL 93250s being fitted to A-case number watches, while K-case numbers appear all to have had them. This suggests it is possible, although I do have 93250s recorded with earlier "AB" date codes. The SEL was introduced well before the case with solid lugs, denoted by the suffixed "16610 T" at 12 o'clock. These are found from the late Y-case number range. Haywood Insta : haywood_milton_rolex __________________ Comex:5513,5514,1665x2,16800x2,16600 Mil sub:5517x2,5513x9,5512 Submariner:6536/1x2,5508,5513 PCG u/line & double SWISS (America's Cup),5513 giltx2, 5513 m-firstx2,5513 gloss WGx2,1680 Red,1680 White Mk1 & Mk2 Sea-Dweller:1665 DRSDx3,Great Whitex3 GMT-Master:6542x2 (1 Bakelite),1675x8 (2 gilt), 16750 & SeaKing 116710LN Explorer:1016x6 (1 gilt),5500x3,14270 Blackout, Orange 1655 x4 Milgauss 1019x3 Cosmo 6263 *RNCD DSSD 116660.

10 January 2019, 08:15 AM	#16
mailman TRF Moderator & SubLV41 2024 Patron Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: . Watch: 126610LN Posts: 35,510	I bought a BNIB 16610 from an AD in September of 2000. The SN was A943XXX. It came with a 93250 on it. __________________ JJ

9 January 2019, 11:15 PM	#3
polarinda "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Trav Location: singapore Watch: it Posts: 2,316	Thanks. So its possible but rare.

10 January 2019, 01:32 AM	#8
polarinda "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Trav Location: singapore Watch: it Posts: 2,316	Sorry Peter, not my intention to downplay your help. It just came to me that i wanted more answers from the crowd. You were the first i go to for answers which i did. Apologies if this all look very bad. Wanted initially to add on to my first post about Peter already being consulted but the urgency got the better of me. My bad. Gussed its too late anyways. Sorry.

10 January 2019, 05:13 AM	#12
Chilly Coconut Banned Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: South Posts: 558	Subscribed

10 January 2019, 06:45 AM	#13
polarinda "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Trav Location: singapore Watch: it Posts: 2,316	In any case, I did a search and found that there was once someone sold here a 93150 with DE clasp code. Year 2001. Year of the P serial. No SEL. So if the P serials were thought to be issued with 93250 with SEL only, then what were these 93150s of similar period meant for? The 14060s?

10 January 2019, 07:28 AM	#14
Chilly Coconut Banned Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: South Posts: 558	^Yes. 93150 with folded end links was used on 14060M right up to the discontinuation of that reference around 2010.

10 January 2019, 07:31 AM	#15
polarinda "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Trav Location: singapore Watch: it Posts: 2,316	Thx Chilly

11 January 2019, 01:29 AM	#18
polarinda "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Trav Location: singapore Watch: it Posts: 2,316	I have sent an apology PM to Peter immediately. He hasnt replied but i hope he forgives me. Lesson learned, if you have asked Peter, close your case. Btw, i passed on that sub as i think the 93150 is period correct but incorrect type for that P serial. Very likely seller swapped the 93250 sel off it.

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