15400 to be discontinued soon?

[GB-man]

Fuego. Congratulations

[Tschyvon]

Thanks guys! Really love this piece. it's been a long since I was "dreaming" about this RO.

I will let you know my personal feeling about the 15500 when I will see it in the flesh at the SIHH. I got invited by AP this Thursday. If possible, I will try to do a side by side comparison.

[masterserg]

Congrats on the 15400. Pure class!

[Chaokhun]

Congrats, blue dial before discontinue is truly memorable.

[RolexZen]

Originally Posted by Tschyvon

Thanks guys! Really love this piece. it's been a long since I was "dreaming" about this RO.

I will let you know my personal feeling about the 15500 when I will see it in the flesh at the SIHH. I got invited by AP this Thursday. If possible, I will try to do a side by side comparison.

That would be awesome. My SA out of Bal Harbour is there, and she did a side-by-side of the 15500 with her 450, but didn't have a 400 handy when texting me the picture.

[CoveWatch]

Congratulations on that!

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by RolexZen

That would be awesome. My SA out of Bal Harbour is there, and she did a side-by-side of the 15500 with her 450, but didn't have a 400 handy when texting me the picture.

Can you post the photo?

[RolexZen]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Can you post the photo?

Added to my original post.

[masterserg]

My quick take on that picture:

I HATE the minute scale ... MUCH prefer the dial on the 400 with the tapisserie extending to the edge.
Do not love the date window. It is way too close to the edge.
Do not love the date font.
Do not love the new seconds hand.
Like the lack of "Automatic".
Love the new fatter hour / minute hands.

They definitely went for a much sportier look and presence. Not sure about the balance. All very subtle details ... both 400 and 500 are great and it is hard to pick one. A look at the back would be nice and might tip it in favor of the 500.

[singe89]

So it looks like AP will have to keep the 3120 alive and well if they are keeping a 37mm RO. Don't see how the larger movement and date location would fit in a smaller case. Even 39mm might be pushing it. Will be interesting to see if they keep the base 3120 for the 15407s too or they skeletonize the new movement.

I also was noticing the 3120 only looks a little small in the 41mm case back in the 15400. when you look at the 41mm PCs AP designed the case back a little different to not make it look to obvious with the 2121 base movement. I'm more interested to see how all these movements play out.

[Kjp061987]

Maybe I’ve just stared at the 15400 too often as a prospective buyer, but after seeing the wrist shot, I don’t prefer any of the changes on the 15500. I appreciate the updated movement, but moving the date window, shortening the hour markers, and removing “Automatic” just creates too much wasted space for a 41 mm. :sigh:

Let the 15300 hunt begin...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[blacke90]

This is really strange to me as I wasn't a big fan of the 15500, but for some reason I like the 15500 in Gray. Maybe it's because the minute track, dial, and the case all blend in a monochromatic way. First pic of me liking the 15500. Thank you for sharing!

Originally Posted by RolexZen

That would be awesome. My SA out of Bal Harbour is there, and she did a side-by-side of the 15500 with her 450, but didn't have a 400 handy when texting me the picture.

[GB-man]

I think the 15450 remains the best blend of function/price/aesthetics provided you have a small wrist. For my eyes anyways. Unfortunately too small on my wrist.

[mineral]

Originally Posted by yessir69

That’s a nice 14802ST.

Thank you


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[myporsche]

Originally Posted by RolexZen

That would be awesome. My SA out of Bal Harbour is there, and she did a side-by-side of the 15500 with her 450, but didn't have a 400 handy when texting me the picture.

A couple quick thoughts here as well, this picture gives me a better idea.

- I prefer the minute markers on the dial directly rather than the minute marker track on the 15500, seems that the former is harder to accomplish and probably resulted in more dials being scrapped so maybe they changed to minute track on the new model.
-Don't like the seconds hand, I know its from the ROC but I feel like it looks better on that model.
-Again bottom half of dial looks empty unbalanced and somber (lonely?). They should have left AUTOMATIC or maybe put the AP logo to balance it. Looks like a concept (unfinished) watch.
-Neutral on the date but slightly prefer 15400 because the small marker adds some detail to dial
-Tapisserie looks good, bold and detailed
-Slate gray does look like Ruthenium in that picture
-Markers don't look as fat as the other pictures, this is good as the long slender markers pay tribute to the original/jumbo.

Overall looks good, I'm not knocking it and curious to know how the movement holds up long term.

[sathwik]

I was right. The 15400 is discontinued. It wasn’t very hard guessing that. What I’m curious to see is the resale prices of 15400 now. The 15500 looks great in my opinion, the cleaner face and a new movement adds to its appeal. Resale wise we could see the 15500 cannibalize the 15400. Let’s wait and watch.

[christopheran]

Originally Posted by sathwik

I was right. The 15400 is discontinued. It wasn’t very hard guessing that. What I’m curious to see is the resale prices of 15400 now. The 15500 looks great in my opinion, the cleaner face and a new movement adds to its appeal. Resale wise we could see the 15500 cannibalize the 15400. Let’s wait and watch.

I agree most people will go for the new 15500. After picking up a 41 mm ROC, I’m only interested in the 15202.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Tschyvon]

I might be biased but I won't see why the 15400 (aesthetically very close to 15500 for the average Joe) will see its value drop. Besides, 15500 will be as hard to get if not more than the 15400 (code 11.59 will take its share of the 40k produced per year).

I believe that, for a prospect looking for a RO41 it will be probably be 15400 = 15500.

I expect no change in price value, or slight increase due to MSRP of 15500. But well, who am I to tell?

[Amiroo]

Originally Posted by singe89

From the naked eye or slight magnification I’m still not so sure. I have seen AP hand and machine finishing of the 3120 and many others first hand. Patek I just have to go with the end result. My photography skills are not the best but I can try to get side by sides of the 3120, 3126 and 3129 vs the 324sc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uXsH7ROb_U


Go to the 5:35 mark and you'll get an understanding of why the 2120 and the movement in the 5711 have a higher standard of finish vs. the 3120.

[singe89]

Originally Posted by Amiroo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uXsH7ROb_U


Go to the 5:35 mark and you'll get an understanding of why the 2120 and the movement in the 5711 have a higher standard of finish vs. the 3120.

Good video! I'm trying to see the actual differences of the 2121.

points in the video

1. Chamfered mirror finished jewel and and screw countersinks
2. Satin finished crown and ratchet wheel
3. Screw heads black polished
4. Cote de geneve is perfectly aligned accross bridges
5. Higher standard than the 3120 and more on line with Patek and VC.

Info on the 3120 https://www.watchtime.com/featured/concept-caliber/

"All components are decorated by hand: the rhodium-plated bridges are adorned with Geneva waves that continue seamlessly from one bridge to the next. The edges of the bridges are beveled. The pathways for the rotor (called trottoirs) are meticulously polished in a spiral pattern. The plates are embellished with circular graining applied by a corundum burin, a machine-guided tool that determines the exact positioning of each successive perlage, ensuring uniformly high quality to tolerances in the 1/100-millimeter range. Similarly narrow tolerances were upheld when polishing the screws’ heads, beveling the drilled holes and setting the jewels, which are inserted into the base plate, some by hand and others by machine."

1. Beveled/chamfered countersunk jewel and screws holes (look polished)
2. 3120 only has one exposed satin finished wheel.
3. polished screw heads (maybe not black polished?)
4. Cote de Geneve perfectly from bride to bride (Check)

When I was at AP they did mention the 2121 was worked on by "more experienced" watch makers and it was a "more prestigious" movement due to its thinness. They did show me how the rotor was hand skeletonized with the AP logo and you could get your own initials but the rotor looks different on the PC in the video.

[Amiroo]

Originally Posted by singe89

Good video! I'm trying to see the actual differences of the 2121.

points in the video

1. Chamfered mirror finished jewel and and screw countersinks
2. Satin finished crown and ratchet wheel
3. Screw heads black polished
4. Cote de geneve is perfectly aligned accross bridges
5. Higher standard than the 3120 and more on line with Patek and VC.

Info on the 3120 https://www.watchtime.com/featured/concept-caliber/

"All components are decorated by hand: the rhodium-plated bridges are adorned with Geneva waves that continue seamlessly from one bridge to the next. The edges of the bridges are beveled. The pathways for the rotor (called trottoirs) are meticulously polished in a spiral pattern. The plates are embellished with circular graining applied by a corundum burin, a machine-guided tool that determines the exact positioning of each successive perlage, ensuring uniformly high quality to tolerances in the 1/100-millimeter range. Similarly narrow tolerances were upheld when polishing the screws’ heads, beveling the drilled holes and setting the jewels, which are inserted into the base plate, some by hand and others by machine."

1. Beveled/chamfered countersunk jewel and screws holes (look polished)
2. 3120 only has one exposed satin finished wheel.
3. polished screw heads (maybe not black polished?)
4. Cote de Geneve perfectly from bride to bride (Check)

When I was at AP they did mention the 2121 was worked on by "more experienced" watch makers and it was a "more prestigious" movement. They did show me how the rotor was hand skeletonized with the AP logo and you could get your own initials but the rotor looks different on the PC in the video.

Great analysis.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by singe89

Good video! I'm trying to see the actual differences of the 2121.

points in the video

1. Chamfered mirror finished jewel and and screw countersinks
2. Satin finished crown and ratchet wheel
3. Screw heads black polished
4. Cote de geneve is perfectly aligned accross bridges
5. Higher standard than the 3120 and more on line with Patek and VC.

Info on the 3120 https://www.watchtime.com/featured/concept-caliber/

"All components are decorated by hand: the rhodium-plated bridges are adorned with Geneva waves that continue seamlessly from one bridge to the next. The edges of the bridges are beveled. The pathways for the rotor (called trottoirs) are meticulously polished in a spiral pattern. The plates are embellished with circular graining applied by a corundum burin, a machine-guided tool that determines the exact positioning of each successive perlage, ensuring uniformly high quality to tolerances in the 1/100-millimeter range. Similarly narrow tolerances were upheld when polishing the screws’ heads, beveling the drilled holes and setting the jewels, which are inserted into the base plate, some by hand and others by machine."

1. Beveled/chamfered countersunk jewel and screws holes (look polished)
2. 3120 only has one exposed satin finished wheel.
3. polished screw heads (maybe not black polished?)
4. Cote de Geneve perfectly from bride to bride (Check)

When I was at AP they did mention the 2121 was worked on by "more experienced" watch makers and it was a "more prestigious" movement due to its thinness. They did show me how the rotor was hand skeletonized with the AP logo and you could get your own initials but the rotor looks different on the PC in the video.

And this is on the base model, should copy and paste this onto the endless Rolex threads on how AP is nothing special and Rolex only is.