Official vacheron overseas thread!!

[PBJ1925]

Originally Posted by Jmaster

I’ve wanting this Overseas Dual Time for a while, but the hype has made it impossible or costly to get it. As the watch market (and everything else) comes down, it seems that demand for the Overseas is also coming down.

I didn’t expect this incoming until sometime in 2023, but my AD was able to allocate me one with this earlier incoming surprise. It’s everything I had expected. Super excited.

With the red 2nd time zone hands, I actually prefer this black dial over the blue for this dual time model. The lacquer dial has a different sunburst and depth to it when comparing to other black dial watches, and my pictures are not capturing it well.

While some people think the Overseas is too big with a very wide lug to lug, it really depends. I think it fits my small wrist quite well.

Enjoy the pics

Edwin, looks fantastic congrats! Fits your wrist well, wear it in health. Red time zone hand does indeed make it pop.

[Jmaster]

Originally Posted by PBJ1925

Edwin, looks fantastic congrats! Fits your wrist well, wear it in health. Red time zone hand does indeed make it pop.

Thanks Jay, you wear your Kurono Grand Mori in great heath too.

It’s funny that I read many owners talked about small wrist will find the rubber strap fits better, but in my case, I found the metal bracelet a much better fit. It’s contour to my wrist so much better than the rubber, which is a little stiff at the connection and stick out a little more. The combination of those a micro adjustments and a half link for the bracelet also lets me get to an ideal fit.

Another funny think I found is that the rubber strap and leather are slightly different in lengths - both lengths of each side as well as the locations of the holes. I haven’t tried the leather yet but at least for me, I’m kind of in the middle sizes for the rubber strap. Before I own the Overseas, I thought that I’ll use the rubber the most, but now I got the feeling that I might even use the leather more than the rubber. We will see.

[PBJ1925]

Originally Posted by Jmaster

Thanks Jay, you wear your Kurono Grand Mori in great heath too.

It’s funny that I read many owners talked about small wrist will find the rubber strap fits better, but in my case, I found the metal bracelet a much better fit. It’s contour to my wrist so much better than the rubber, which is a little stiff at the connection and stick out a little more. The combination of those a micro adjustments and a half link for the bracelet also lets me get to an ideal fit.

Another funny think I found is that the rubber strap and leather are slightly different in lengths - both lengths of each side as well as the locations of the holes. I haven’t tried the leather yet but at least for me, I’m kind of in the middle sizes for the rubber strap. Before I own the Overseas, I thought that I’ll use the rubber the most, but now I got the feeling that I might even use the leather more than the rubber. We will see.

Ed, agree on your points, if I had to pick one setup I prefer the bracelet over the leather/rubber. I do prefer the rubber on the 5500v as its a larger watch, and for me the proportions somehow felt a little better on the rubber than it does on the 7900v or 4500v.

Only wished Vacheron included a second deployant vs charging $500+ for picking up a second one, but I'm just nitpicking there.

I'm sure you'll enjoy the VCO for years to come, and what's great is outside of enthusiasts it does for the most part fly under the radar.

[rico7rico]

Same here. Incoming earlier than I expected.

I visited the HK boutique in May and Oct (again) showing my interest of the DT model and I got the call 2 weeks ago (no purchase record). I was supposed to pick up the watch earlier today but somehow it is stuck in Switzerland, and I might have to wait another 2 weeks.

100% agree the black dial is better than blue because of the red second timezone hand. It's quite important for me to be able to know my home time at a glance.

I realized they change the leather straps from alligator to calfskin. I personally think the alligator straps look nicer so I request my SA for alligator straps. Not sure if he can pull the magic~ I will keep you guys posted here :)

Lastly, I just want to see what you guys think about the price of VCO in grey in the future. Does it find its support (10 - 20 % premium of the retail)?
Will it be dropping and going back to the pre-covid situation? (-15%)?
I guess I ask because I understand the demand is coming down and I am afraid it will become underrated again. Please openly share you thought :)

[rico7rico]

Ed, I also have an incoming 7900v soon :) wondering if yours come with the alligator straps of the calfskin..?

[Jmaster]

It comes with the calfskin. VC changed it sometime this year, and I didn’t mind it, as it’s a little more sportier that fits the VCO well. That said, VC makes lovey alligator straps. I love my blue strap on the Fiftysix.

Also, the new VC doesn’t come with yellow paper certificate, the Geneva seal hangtag and the paper manual anymore, according to my AD. Everything is electronic now. It looks like Richmond is try to cut some costs. On the other hand, the 8 year warranty is probably much more important than all those extra paper anyway.

Value-wise, I won’t be surprise if the secondary prices go back under MSRP given the current market trend. I think VC has been elevated during this cycle the in the past, but all brands are facing pressure in the secondary market, and historically, only Rolex and Patek are able to hold up. Just IMHO.

BTW, congrats for your incoming. Earlier this year, some boutiques were telling prospective customers 2+ year wait but I guess it has changed pretty quickly.

[ookookook]

I have been waiting for over a year now what has the waitlist looked like for you guys? I've been trying to grab one on the grey market but I don't feel like spending 10k over msrp, only willing to go to about 26k for it.

[swen86]

Originally Posted by ookookook

I have been waiting for over a year now what has the waitlist looked like for you guys? I've been trying to grab one on the grey market but I don't feel like spending 10k over msrp, only willing to go to about 26k for it.

I put a deposit down on a blue dial dual time in May of 2021. Still no word. I'm hoping for Spring 2023.?.?.?

[Booth9999]

On the list, nothing from them this year besides marketing emails

[key]

Originally Posted by swen86

I put a deposit down on a blue dial dual time in May of 2021. Still no word. I'm hoping for Spring 2023.?.?.?

Haha I’m in the same boat and at this rate it may end up being cheaper buying gray

[PBJ1925]

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[thekman]

For those waiting on watches: I have only bought a blue dual time before the hype. After that I had inquired about other models and was always told it would be difficult as the hype started. In the past month I was offered the steel tourbillon (blue dial) and today I was offered the white dial dual time. These are all unsolicited offers. I declined both. Just giving those who are waiting hope. This is at the NYC boutique.

[rico7rico]

Originally Posted by ookookook

I have been waiting for over a year now what has the waitlist looked like for you guys? I've been trying to grab one on the grey market but I don't feel like spending 10k over msrp, only willing to go to about 26k for it.

Speaking from my experience, the "waitlist" doesn't really exist in the way of customers' inquiring order because both ADs and Boutiques are selling the watch to the BEST potential customers.

My incoming watch is from a boutique in Hong Kong. The SA had to present my profile to the HQ and I was competing with 3 other people. I am fortunate to get selected and it is because I show them my IG, which indicates I am a serious collector, not a flipper.

Since I have put my name for 1 boutique and 4 ADs. My advice would be
1. going to boutiques instead of ADs. Boutique gets more watches in restock (3-4 watches in total in different models)
2. make good relationship with the SA. They need to make a case to sell you the watch like college application.
3. Be patient. getting it from AD/boutique isn't impossible. To me, it's actually very possible if you compare RO, Rolex, PP. Price and demand is indeed dropping and I am sure you can do a deposit, sit back, and wait. It will be worth to wait because you have the VC sales experience. To me, engaging with the brand is the way to purchase a 20k+ watch. Money can't buy experience.

Hope it helps. Happy to do another follow up :)

[Mutsu]

Originally Posted by rico7rico

Speaking from my experience, the "waitlist" doesn't really exist in the way of customers' inquiring order because both ADs and Boutiques are selling the watch to the BEST potential customers.

My incoming watch is from a boutique in Hong Kong. The SA had to present my profile to the HQ and I was competing with 3 other people. I am fortunate to get selected and it is because I show them my IG, which indicates I am a serious collector, not a flipper.

Since I have put my name for 1 boutique and 4 ADs. My advice would be
1. going to boutiques instead of ADs. Boutique gets more watches in restock (3-4 watches in total in different models)
2. make good relationship with the SA. They need to make a case to sell you the watch like college application.
3. Be patient. getting it from AD/boutique isn't impossible. To me, it's actually very possible if you compare RO, Rolex, PP. Price and demand is indeed dropping and I am sure you can do a deposit, sit back, and wait. It will be worth to wait because you have the VC sales experience. To me, engaging with the brand is the way to purchase a 20k+ watch. Money can't buy experience.

Hope it helps. Happy to do another follow up :)

I agree this helps.

Go to a boutique and show your genuine interest in owning one.

I think a lot of SAs gauge your ability to purchase based on looking at what you are currently wearing too.

The only place that asked me if I had IG was AP, they also asked my occupation and for a business card. They said it was part of the verification process. I think VC didn't ask, but when I wrote down my details, things like occupation are on there.

Both AP and VC where very vague and said there are no waiting lists as such anymore (I think it's because they don't want to give potential time frames to disappoint), but I also got the impression wait times would be long. But surprisingly I got a call from both AP and VC within a year of having an appointment with an SA.

[Gebbeth]

For those in the Bay Area, in San Jose, CA, I saw that a Vacheron boutique will be opening in Valley Fair Mall. Does anyone have any information on whether this is an AD run boutique, or is this being directly managed by Vacheron?

What is the policy on allocating watches when a boutique like this opens up for the first time?

[Jmaster]

Originally Posted by Gebbeth

For those in the Bay Area, in San Jose, CA, I saw that a Vacheron boutique will be opening in Valley Fair Mall. Does anyone have any information on whether this is an AD run boutique, or is this being directly managed by Vacheron?

What is the policy on allocating watches when a boutique like this opens up for the first time?

It will be run by CH Premier Jewelers. As you might know, CH also runs a few other boutiques in Valley Fair - JLC, IWC and Panerai. I understand after it’s opened, the PA store will stop carrying the VC brand.

[Watchflair]

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[Gebbeth]

Originally Posted by Jmaster

It will be run by CH Premier Jewelers. As you might know, CH also runs a few other boutiques in Valley Fair - JLC, IWC and Panerai. I understand after it’s opened, the PA store will stop carrying the VC brand.

I don't know if I should be happy or disappointed about this. I have had mixed experiences with CH Premier. Their IWC boutique gave me so-so service on my IWC BP, and their Grand Seiko department in their main store was also not so "customer friendly" when it came to my Night Birch.

I guess I should expect more of the same from their VC branch. Come to think of it, none of the high-end watch experiences in VF Mall have been anything to write home about (the Rolex boutique was also...so-so).

[Watchflair]

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[rico7rico]

Originally Posted by Mutsu

I agree this helps.

Go to a boutique and show your genuine interest in owning one.

I think a lot of SAs gauge your ability to purchase based on looking at what you are currently wearing too.

The only place that asked me if I had IG was AP, they also asked my occupation and for a business card. They said it was part of the verification process. I think VC didn't ask, but when I wrote down my details, things like occupation are on there.

Both AP and VC where very vague and said there are no waiting lists as such anymore (I think it's because they don't want to give potential time frames to disappoint), but I also got the impression wait times would be long. But surprisingly I got a call from both AP and VC within a year of having an appointment with an SA.

What's your collection before acquiring AP...? And Which VCO did you get...?
I visited AP boutique not long ago and the sales experience was so so. I think I might be just like everyone else - wearing a Rolex asking for a sought-after piece.

[Mutsu]

Originally Posted by rico7rico

What's your collection before acquiring AP...? And Which VCO did you get...?
I visited AP boutique not long ago and the sales experience was so so. I think I might be just like everyone else - wearing a Rolex asking for a sought-after piece.

Nothing from those brands previously, and in the end I turned down the AP. It sounded like 2 other people turned down before me which is why I was offered so quickly. I had left my money in stocks I wasn't able to get to at the time they offered it to me - mainly because of the indication that it would take over a year.

Actually this was still the case when I was offered the VC, but I wanted that enough that I was just able to make that happen with available funds.

The VC is I own is an Overseas date only in Rose Gold Silver dial - so less in demand than the steel or blue dials.

AP sales experience was similar for me, so so. VC experience is in line with what I've come to expect from shopping at luxury brands. Rolex boutiques are the worst in Japan because they don't take anyones details, so you basically have to get lucky and arrive when they just got a delivery.

I'm undecided if I'll take the AP now if I'm offered one again, I feel like I'd prefer to have another VC in my collection based on what they currently offer and my purchase experience with them.

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[ap1]

Originally Posted by Watchflair

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This looks awesome

[Watchflair]

Originally Posted by ap1

This looks awesome

Thank you!


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[swish77]

Anyone recently purchase a VC Overseas (three-hander) and notice the leather/gator strap is different than previously? Mine had come with the classic-looking gator strap, but photos of newer ones seem to show a non-gator leather strap. Here’s one (borrowed photo) originally sold in August this year. You can see how the leather strap looks different.

[Bearxj86]

Been almost 6 months and this clock still makes my
jaw drop.




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[arnage]

Originally Posted by swish77

Anyone recently purchase a VC Overseas (three-hander) and notice the leather/gator strap is different than previously? Mine had come with the classic-looking gator strap, but photos of newer ones seem to show a non-gator leather strap. Here’s one (borrowed photo) originally sold in August this year. You can see how the leather strap looks different.

Yes -- fairly recently (within the past few months), they switched to providing a calf strap vs the gator one. Whether this is due to cost considerations or regulatory ones (i.e. California as a state has issues with shipment of exotic animal skin straps..), we won't know for certain.

[rico7rico]

I got the call almost 4 weeks ago that I will be allocated the 7900v black.

My boutique SA told me that the watch will arrive on Nov 8th and I could pick it up on the 12th but he canceled on a day before picking it up. He said the watch was stuck in Switzerland and would need more time to come, promising me it will be here later this month but would need me to put a deposit first. I agreed and planned to put a deposit this past Saturday but he canceled on me again.

Now I would need to wait till mid December or even early Jan to put a deposit and believe the watch won’t be with me until later.

Can someone understand the industry explain to me why my SA keeps postponing the deposit payment/ watch delivery? I guess I’m trying to find a possible reason here…