The A. Lange & Söhne Thread - including daily pics...

[Gebbeth]

Although I think this is a great looking watch with interesting features, a six figure chrono in SS that is essentially just a chrono, I dunno....that sounds outrageous to me.

[GB-man]

What a joke lol might as well spring for the MBF sequential at that rate.

[hgg43c]

Originally Posted by ButtButt

But it’s a limited edition!

I’m not sure it’s a limited edition - perhaps for now just like last years model. But I watched the video from this morning and it was mentioned that they wanted to grow the line “like a family “ so maybe a line of limited edition? Anyway for me I love the watch but at this price point it’s a pass for me - not that I could get allocated one anyway.


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[ap1]

Look, it’s sick but for VVVVIPs with insane wallets

[WatchEater666]

Originally Posted by ButtButt

You and your interior angles It's definitely unobtainium, I asked about it and she just said it will need an application to HQ in Glashutte and will be "very difficult."

They are liars anyways, was promised an allocation and didn't get one when I bought a brand new watch from them BEFORE they were all hyped. I would not spend a $ with lange expecting them to keep their word, even if it's a boutique.

[ButtButt]

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

They are liars anyways, was promised an allocation and didn't get one when I bought a brand new watch from them BEFORE they were all hyped. I would not spend a $ with lange expecting them to keep their word, even if it's a boutique.

I remember reading about your experience, sorry you had to experience that.

I did just order a 1815 chrono from them and they mentioned I now qualify for other limited edition releases but there’s not much else I’m interested in at the moment.

[hgg43c]

Originally Posted by ButtButt

I remember reading about your experience, sorry you had to experience that.

I did just order a 1815 chrono from them and they mentioned I now qualify for other limited edition releases but there’s not much else I’m interested in at the moment.

I’m in a similar position I have an order in 100% paid for - waiting for my collection day call hopefully by end of year.


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[WantBlue15202]

Noticed they raised the price on the Saxonia Moonphase - was a watch I’ve wanted, but just saw it in a boutique for $34.9 two months ago and now it’s $40.2??

Isn’t even a solid gold rotor… the Sax-o-Mat has a significantly better movement. Makes zero sense - seems more like a reflection of a public company.

[mario1971]

In the last two years, Lange has gone a long way in terms of prices, reducing discounts for customers at the same time. In December my Up/Down was valued at $25.8k minus the 30% rebate I received in AD right away. Now, after a little over two years, it costs $ 35.7k, and any discount is hard to come by. Hmmm... they make beautiful watches but; they liquidate distributors in favor of their own boutiques, eliminating the system of price discounts at the same time, they introduce rationing and waiting periods even for basic models, they raise the price list above the standard at least 2 times a year, thanks to which they slowly become a brand available to individuals - for the chosen ones. The question is, is this a good strategy? Will they not alienate those who wanted to enter the world of HH with the purchase of the first Lange. And lest it be empty, my only so far 1815 from Lange in all its glory.

[vliberman]

i was looking at Lange for a bit.. pricing and availability vs alternatives makes no sense.... new Odysseus chronographer at 150k? That is MB&F territory... not sure Lange is there...plenty of indies at that price point to choose from...

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by vliberman

i was looking at Lange for a bit.. pricing and availability vs alternatives makes no sense.... new Odysseus chronographer at 150k? That is MB&F territory... not sure Lange is there...plenty of indies at that price point to choose from...

or FPJ split or 5270 or gronograf was similar price and significantly nicer across the board. Hell you're 30-40k from a 5370 pre owned lol

I guess thats what you can do when you limit production to 150 but it doesn't make for compelling products in this case.

[WatchEater666]

Originally Posted by GB-man

or FPJ split or 5270 or gronograf was similar price and significantly nicer across the board. Hell you're 30-40k from a 5370 pre owned lol

I guess thats what you can do when you limit production to 150 but it doesn't make for compelling products in this case.

Exactly, and Lange is nowhere close to someone like Gronefeld in-terms of product. The Gronefeld I got to experience made everything else seem like it was finished by a 10 year old with a chisel. Totally put my Langes, Patek etc to shame!

Plus Gronefeld is run by an awesome team who is straight forward to deal with and honest. And you support a great small business when you buy from them. Same deal with Max & Co at MB&F. Their product is ridiculously awesome at that price point.

[anselm]

It will be interesting to see if they adjust the final USD price. Haven't seen anyone confirm the pricing is final. Wonder if they finalize at 125K if everyone would still be so upset at the pricing?

[Gebbeth]

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

Exactly, and Lange is nowhere close to someone like Gronefeld in-terms of product. The Gronefeld I got to experience made everything else seem like it was finished by a 10 year old with a chisel. Totally put my Langes, Patek etc to shame!

Plus Gronefeld is run by an awesome team who is straight forward to deal with and honest. And you support a great small business when you buy from them. Same deal with Max & Co at MB&F. Their product is ridiculously awesome at that price point.

Alternative point....I look at Gronefeld, and I don't see why that watch is so expensive. I'm talking about the Principia line. Yes, great finishing of the movement with their Dutch rooftop motif. But I just don't get it. It's not THAT impressive a watch in my opinion.

Going back to ALS, it sucks that ALS is hiking its prices so much, but one may argue that given ALS pretty much was responsible for getting VC, Patek, and AP off their asses and actually get them to make in-house movements finished to very high horology standards, and given ALS treats their entire lineup with that care, not just their prestige lines, perhaps ALS was underpriced to begin with, as weird as that may sound.

Just a thought.

Also, going boutique is not something ALS started. It seems to be the trend from Rolex to Patek, so expect more of the same from pretty much every luxury brand. And to that's nothing to say about HH micro-brands. It's impossible to get their attention.

[Jmaster]

Is Richemont trying to elevate ALS to more aggressively competes with Patek, while at the same time, making VC a more attainable brand?

VC had kept prices of the Overseas line largely unchanged while only made some minor price increases in its other line, where as ALS prices are through the roof. It makes you wonder…

[cascavel]

Originally Posted by anselm

It will be interesting to see if they adjust the final USD price. Haven't seen anyone confirm the pricing is final. Wonder if they finalize at 125K if everyone would still be so upset at the pricing?

Do you think that they're not already completely sold out, no matter what the price?

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Jmaster

Is Richemont trying to elevate ALS to more aggressively competes with Patek, while at the same time, making VC a more attainable brand?

VC had kept prices of the Overseas line largely unchanged while only made some minor price increases in its other line, where as ALS prices are through the roof. It makes you wonder…

There's a lot more to VC than Overseas. They also have $2M watches.

[raclaims]

It’s pretty pretty sweet




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[raclaims]

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[raclaims]

$135k Euros
Will take a year for first delivery
Guaranteed they raise prices during that time frame per usual as well

[raclaims]

Hey no one said the new NYC boutique would be inexpensive to build!!

[raclaims]

Oh and they’re making 100 not 150 of this version

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Originally Posted by raclaims

Oh and they’re making 100 not 150 of this version

So when’s yours due from factory? Congrats in advance

[McinRolex]

How are the ALS discount at boutique?

Should I reach out to gray dealers for 1815 WG up/down?

[phiberoptiks]

Originally Posted by WatchEater666

They are liars anyways, was promised an allocation and didn't get one when I bought a brand new watch from them BEFORE they were all hyped. I would not spend a $ with lange expecting them to keep their word, even if it's a boutique.

Was this through an AD or the boutique themselves?

[LJubel328]

Originally Posted by McinRolex

How are the ALS discount at boutique?

Should I reach out to gray dealers for 1815 WG up/down?

No discounts at boutiques


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[JR16]

Arrived back from Germany after 3 months (initially was told 6)… happy to have it back on the wrist! And kudos to Watchbox for honoring their warranty so smoothly.


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[moting]

Watchbox honored the warranty by sending it to Lange for service?

[Gamora]

Is anyone here waiting 2+ years for their Odysseus blue dial steel allocation after purchasing a bundled watch from a Lange partner boutique in the US?

I am beyond frustrated and feel cheated by Lange corporate and their US setup. In Dec 2020, I reached out to both Miami and Chicago boutiques checking for Odysseus blue dial steel allocation tied to another purchase. Miami boutqiue quoted 1 year whereas Chicago boutique said 18 months for Odysseus delivery after I make the bundled purchase. Although both the Miami and Chicago boutique were willing to work with me, I decided to go with Chicago boutique based on the assurances given by the sales manager that my Odysseus allocation will be 99% confirmed. Further, as the Chicago boutique was part of the Burdeen's family network, I felt it made more sense to go ahead with them for relationship building as they carried other brands including Vacheron. It was one of the biggest mistakes of my watch collecting journey. At that point, I didn't know that Lange differentiates between their corporate and partner boutiques in terms of allocation preference.

The Chicago boutique manager was great to work with during my Lange 1815 AC calendar purchase in Dec 2020. They infact went to bat for me when the Lange HQ had questions around my Odysseus application. In early Jan 2021, my Odysseus allocation was approved by Lange HQ with a 2-year delivery timeline. Both proof of the approved allocation from Lange HQ and email confirmation from Lange US Sales head with my name were shared with me with regards to my Odysseus allocation. Although delivery timeline was 6 months more than what was initially communicated by the Chicago boutique, I was still happy as a 6-month delay doesn’t matter much in grand scheme of things.

Last year around June as I was approaching the 2-year mark, I inquired about the status of my Odysseus delivery. I was told by the Chicago boutique that Lange has cut their Odysseus annual allocation and the updated tentative timeline was now end of 2024, 4 years from the date I purchased the 1815 AC. What was more upsetting was that the Chicago boutique wasn't sure even that timeline would hold as Lange is being difficult with them for allocation of hard-to-get watches since start of 2022.

I tried reaching out to the Lange US sales head through LinkedIn but got no response. Knowing two other people who made bundled purchases for Odysseus through the Miami boutique after my 1815 AC purchase and got their Odysseus allocations within 18 months, I feel despondent in how I have been treated. The Chicago boutique manager has been great to deal with. They even offered to buy back the 1815 AC. Of course, I love my 1815 AC and actually want the Odysseus so I refused their generous offer. However, I don't know at this point where the blame lies. Whether I was oversold by the Chicago boutique in their eagerness to close a sale in Dec 2020 or whether Lange is actually cutting down their allocations, I am not sure at this point. I just wish I had dealt with the Miami boutique in 2020.

Would appreciate feedback from others in what I should do next. At this point, I fear I won't see an Odysseus even at end of 2024.

[ButtButt]

Originally Posted by Gamora

Is anyone here waiting 2+ years for their Odysseus blue dial steel allocation after purchasing a bundled watch from a Lange partner boutique in the US?

I am beyond frustrated and feel cheated by Lange corporate and their US setup. In Dec 2020, I reached out to both Miami and Chicago boutiques checking for Odysseus blue dial steel allocation tied to another purchase. Miami boutqiue quoted 1 year whereas Chicago boutique said 18 months for Odysseus delivery after I make the bundled purchase. Although both the Miami and Chicago boutique were willing to work with me, I decided to go with Chicago boutique based on the assurances given by the sales manager that my Odysseus allocation will be 99% confirmed. Further, as the Chicago boutique was part of the Burdeen's family network, I felt it made more sense to go ahead with them for relationship building as they carried other brands including Vacheron. It was one of the biggest mistakes of my watch collecting journey. At that point, I didn't know that Lange differentiates between their corporate and partner boutiques in terms of allocation preference.

The Chicago boutique manager was great to work with during my Lange 1815 AC calendar purchase in Dec 2020. They infact went to bat for me when the Lange HQ had questions around my Odysseus application. In early Jan 2021, my Odysseus allocation was approved by Lange HQ with a 2-year delivery timeline. Both proof of the approved allocation from Lange HQ and email confirmation from Lange US Sales head with my name were shared with me with regards to my Odysseus allocation. Although delivery timeline was 6 months more than what was initially communicated by the Chicago boutique, I was still happy as a 6-month delay doesn’t matter much in grand scheme of things.

Last year around June as I was approaching the 2-year mark, I inquired about the status of my Odysseus delivery. I was told by the Chicago boutique that Lange has cut their Odysseus annual allocation and the updated tentative timeline was now end of 2024, 4 years from the date I purchased the 1815 AC. What was more upsetting was that the Chicago boutique wasn't sure even that timeline would hold as Lange is being difficult with them for allocation of hard-to-get watches since start of 2022.

I tried reaching out to the Lange US sales head through LinkedIn but got no response. Knowing two other people who made bundled purchases for Odysseus through the Miami boutique after my 1815 AC purchase and got their Odysseus allocations within 18 months, I feel despondent in how I have been treated. The Chicago boutique manager has been great to deal with. They even offered to buy back the 1815 AC. Of course, I love my 1815 AC and actually want the Odysseus so I refused their generous offer. However, I don't know at this point where the blame lies. Whether I was oversold by the Chicago boutique in their eagerness to close a sale in Dec 2020 or whether Lange is actually cutting down their allocations, I am not sure at this point. I just wish I had dealt with the Miami boutique in 2020.

Would appreciate feedback from others in what I should do next. At this point, I fear I won't see an Odysseus even at end of 2024.

Wow, sorry to hear you are going through that. I don't have much to add except when I bought my 1815 chronograph recently I did enquire with the boutique about the steel Odysseus. They told me the current wait time is about 5 years and it's currently closed for new orders.