My 1963 GMT 1675 with Silver Dial?

[Erpin]

My watch is still with the Rolex Heritage dept. In Geneva.


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[77T]

Originally Posted by Erpin

My watch is still with the Rolex Heritage dept. In Geneva.


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That is what I believed - glad you updated us.


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[Dan S]

I assume he was just trolling, but if by some miracle, the OP has actually seen a silver 1675 in an auction, I hope he will post a link.

[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by 77T

For the avoidance of doubt, is it your premise that @Erpin is stringing us along? Or Rolex is stringing him along


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Somebody stringing somebody, that’s for sure. I thought it was OP stringing us, but now I think Rolex is stringing him. What do you think?


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[77T]

Originally Posted by GGGMT

Somebody stringing somebody, that’s for sure. I thought it was OP stringing us, but now I think Rolex is stringing him. What do you think?


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I am usually skeptical because so many people foist false narratives upon us here. But I believe the OP is genuinely sharing a unique find of his.

So I wouldn't say "stringing" - the pace of new information is slow but...

I believe OP is working to get authentication and Rolex is working in their restoration atelier at their pace.

Patience will be required - especially when "1-post wonders" come along and stir the pot...


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[Erpin]

Originally Posted by 77T

I am usually skeptical because so many people foist false narratives upon us here. But I believe the OP is genuinely sharing a unique find of his.

So I wouldn't say "stringing" - the pace of new information is slow but...

I believe OP is working to get authentication and Rolex is working in their restoration atelier at their pace.

Patience will be required - especially when "1-post wonders" come along and stir the pot...


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You’re right in saying that the Rolex Heritage dept will work at their own pace especially if it’s a unique watch like mine. So i have learned to be patient and just hope for the best.


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[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by 77T

I am usually skeptical because so many people foist false narratives upon us here. But I believe the OP is genuinely sharing a unique find of his.

So I wouldn't say "stringing" - the pace of new information is slow but...

I believe OP is working to get authentication and Rolex is working in their restoration atelier at their pace.

Patience will be required - especially when "1-post wonders" come along and stir the pot...


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This is well said. I share your typical skepticism. Here, it does seem like there is a legitimate inquiry, and Rolex is taking an unbelievably long time.


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[Erpin]

Originally Posted by Scaramanga74

How about this one? Interesting case back!

https://www.chrono24.co.nz/rolex/196...82928.htm#gref

Interesting. The Pan Am case back, i believe has been the subject of debates before?


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[GGGMT]

Originally Posted by 77T

Recently, or way back in the past?
Are you referring to the OP's watch?
Or another white dialed GMT?

Please share the link where you saw this auction. I don't see a white dial GMT in any Sothebys I can find.


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Looks like a first poster bomb thrower. Tossing a little sand in the wheels of a complicated threat.


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[Scaramanga74]

Originally Posted by Erpin

Interesting. The Pan Am case back, i believe has been the subject of debates before?


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Not sure but I think I´ve read something about it but can´t remember the verdict.

However, the engraving looks vintage but patina can be recreated so who knows.

[andrewjb88]

Any updates

[TuRo]

This might beat my pal in Salerno who had a 5 yr wait for authentication in 2012-2017 !!!

[KBM]

You can add me to the list of people genuinely rooting for the OP and a happy ending.

Unbelievable is the only word that comes to mind to describe the turnaround time for this authentication. I'm glad the OP is a young man, otherwise Rolex would owe him a good sum for damages derived from depriving him of the time he could be spending enjoying this watch.

Hang in there, OP, good things come to those who wait - a negative response would surely have already come, if that was the case!

[GeorgeK]

I am amazed at the patience of the OP.

It takes what, 1 or 2 Rolex watchmakers a few hours, let's say a day to dismantle the watch, and then maybe a month to contact the dial makers to examine whether this particular dial could have been made by them.
Then give it a month to gather the intel, and a good session with the experts to formulate an opinion.

Either they can or they can not do the analysis asked for. By now Rolex are deliberately holding the watch as hostage, for no apparent reason. Because they can?

I would not play that game, retrieve the watch and present it as is, along with the incapacity of a large watchmaker do deliver diligent work/expertise in reasonable timeframe.

Shame on them.

[dhknola]

I agree with the above. The delay really serves no one but maybe they think OP might croak and the estate does not know about the watch...probably not, but an unreasonable wait time.

[77T]

I don't infer any nefarious intent or incompetency at the historic restoration atelier.

It is a long process because other people's watches are in process ahead of the OPs. Many people don't realize the bench work can include fabricating parts for important watches. Much longer than the RSC doing modern overhauls.


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[GeorgeK]

77T you are correct.

However this depicts a very bad image of a company that is already quite impopular. And they don't care because they get away with it. How many YEARS now?

Not with me.

In the end it is all up to the OP's tolerance level for being given the runaround.

[rootbeer7]

Originally Posted by GeorgeK

I am amazed at the patience of the OP.

It takes what, 1 or 2 Rolex watchmakers a few hours, let's say a day to dismantle the watch, and then maybe a month to contact the dial makers to examine whether this particular dial could have been made by them.
Then give it a month to gather the intel, and a good session with the experts to formulate an opinion.

Either they can or they can not do the analysis asked for. By now Rolex are deliberately holding the watch as hostage, for no apparent reason. Because they can?

I would not play that game, retrieve the watch and present it as is, along with the incapacity of a large watchmaker do deliver diligent work/expertise in reasonable timeframe.

Shame on them.

Maybe they don’t work on one at a time

[TuRo]

My pals watch, an equally very rare 5510 dial, that took 5 yrs to confirm went in worth about £18k tops (as dial was suspect according to some sofa cognoscenti! ), and emerged five years later worth somewhere between £350-500k. Think Eric is well advised to sit on his hands, as he is, and not rock the good ship Geneva too much....

[Erpin]

Hi guys my account was hacked recently. Good to be back.

[Scaramanga74]

Originally Posted by Erpin

Hi guys my account was hacked recently. Good to be back.

Sorry to hear that! Nice to have you back. Any updates from Geneva?

[77T]

Originally Posted by Erpin

Hi guys my account was hacked recently. Good to be back.

Are you now using 2FA?
(two factor authentication)

When the forum began offering support for that, I added it to my account and have been very pleased.
I use Google Authenticator and highly recommend it.


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[Erpin]

Originally Posted by 77T

Are you now using 2FA?
(two factor authentication)

When the forum began offering support for that, I added it to my account and have been very pleased.
I use Google Authenticator and highly recommend it.


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I don’t think its a 2FA. I just got an email from the administrator and had to update to a pledge member to recover my account. I still cannot open my account in tapatalk.

[77T]

With the prevalence of scammer ploys to hijack TRF accounts (and on other forums) I'd suggest enabling 2FA.

It isn't anything the Mods do - it's something only you can do.

An additional thought - if your previous TRF password was the same one you used on other online accounts - I'd change all of them - and make them unique rather than reuse same password across multiple sites.


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[Kingface66]

Eric, hoping your account all back to normal, and fully un-hacked. Now that we’re approaching the third quarter of ‘24, and news from the hostage-takers?
Best of luck, man!

[springer]

Originally Posted by 77T

I don't infer any nefarious intent or incompetency at the historic restoration atelier.

It is a long process because other people's watches are in process ahead of the OPs. Many people don't realize the bench work can include fabricating parts for important watches. Much longer than the RSC doing modern overhauls.


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Good point Paul, but seriously, it surely does not - by any stretch of one's imagination - take years to verify if a watch is genuine. Total nonsense that they are stringing collectors along like this. Utter nonsense.

[77T]

I agree with you John that another method might be more responsive. The current one is so, ummm...
18th Century.


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[Sidwin]

His patience is unreal. No way I could be without my time piece for over a year. I’m was anxious when it was gone for just two months to get completely restored lol. He’s more patient with Rolex than people are with their children lol

[alwayshere]

OP has no choice. Either he waits and get an official verdict otherwise this will still have question marks on it going forward.

[Stan Cooper]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

OP has no choice. Either he waits and get an official verdict otherwise this will still have question marks on it going forward.

^This!