32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[Poodlopogus]

Anyone ever have a 32xx watch make a partial "recovery" on its own? I have one, from 2022, that I was thinking was going to need to go in some time in the near future. Had been gaining about 1 s/d for almost 2 years, and then, started losing time over the past two months.

For about six weeks, was a very consistent -4.5 s/d. Then, the past two weeks, it has started running at about -3 s/d.

Not something I've seen mentioned before, so curious about others' experience.

[saxo3]

Which 32xx movement?

[MikeyV]

Originally Posted by Poodlopogus

Anyone ever have a 32xx watch make a partial "recovery" on its own? I have one, from 2022, that I was thinking was going to need to go in some time in the near future. Had been gaining about 1 s/d for almost 2 years, and then, started losing time over the past two months.

For about six weeks, was a very consistent -4.5 s/d. Then, the past two weeks, it has started running at about -3 s/d.

Not something I've seen mentioned before, so curious about others' experience.

Mine did. Search for my posts about this on the forum here. Lon story short, after running slow, then running way better for a few months, went back to running really slow and was sent in (second time sending it in for slow running).

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by MikeyV

Mine did.

FWIW (1415)

[saxo3]

Here a simple summary of all new 2024 watches presented with data in this thread, sorted by purchase date.

[RolexRelojes]

New to forum here, and I just recently got a 126200.

It is running between 6-7 seconds slow a day since I bought it a couple weeks ago. This is comparing it to my Casio GW-5000u. I do not own a timegrapher, but I hope to drop by local repair shop to get the data and present it to Bob’s which is where I got the watch. According to Bob’s, their timegrapher reading is -4/+1 which is a bit disappointing since my vintage 6827/3 is running at consistently at approximately +3 to +4 per day and keeping better time. I was really expecting something like the magical +2/-2 sec day.

My warranty only lasts for a year, but they aren’t convinced it has an issue. I hope to get independent readings of my own.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by RolexRelojes

New to forum here, and I just recently got a 126200. It is running between 6-7 seconds slow a day since I bought it a couple weeks ago.

Welcome. How old is this watch (not your purchase date)? Did you get the original Rolex warranty card?

Edit: BOB's currently offers 3 different pre-owned Rolex Datejust 126200 on their website. Their photos show that all 3 are sold with the original warranty card, these are dated 24/01/2022; 06/07/2020; 20/02/2021.

The Rolex warranty period is 5 years for your watch. If your watch is newer than 08/2019, you can send it directly to your nearest RSC (Rolex Service Center) and don't need the dealer's one-year warranty. Therefore it would be very good if you have the original Rolex warranty card.

Buy a $200 timegrapher (e.g. a Weishi model 1900) and measure the 3235 amplitudes and rates yourself!

[RolexRelojes]

Thanks for the reply saxo3, your input is very appreciated.
I purchased it without box or papers, since it was at a good price and Bob’s is local. I do not have any paperwork or Rolex warranty card for it. At the time of purchase, I asked around what date they think it was produced, and since it has a random serial number it couldn't be confirmed.

Can Rolex be contacted directly to see if it’s within 5 years, and I could get a replacement card for service? I feel that the watch is definitely out of specs, or my vintage movement must be superior to this 3235.

Thanks for endorsing the weishi. I’ll have to get one to do my measurements at home. I see amazon has vendors that send it via prime!

[csaltphoto]

Originally Posted by RolexRelojes

New to forum here, and I just recently got a 126200.

It is running between 6-7 seconds slow a day since I bought it a couple weeks ago. This is comparing it to my Casio GW-5000u. I do not own a timegrapher, but I hope to drop by local repair shop to get the data and present it to Bob’s which is where I got the watch. According to Bob’s, their timegrapher reading is -4/+1 which is a bit disappointing since my vintage 6827/3 is running at consistently at approximately +3 to +4 per day and keeping better time. I was really expecting something like the magical +2/-2 sec day.

My warranty only lasts for a year, but they aren’t convinced it has an issue. I hope to get independent readings of my own.

A couple of issues. Bob's has very little motivation to fix your watch for 2 reasons. They have your money. And they may well be aware that the 32xx problem is not fixable outside of a trip to RSC and even that might not do the trick. Bob's probably has a local or inhouse watch tech that might regulate it or do something else but not really "fix" it.

Several posters in this thread have had several round trips back to RSC, only to have the problem crop up again. On the brighter side, several known Rolex techs have posted the issue seems to diminishing. One or two have noticed modified parts and/or lubricating instructions.

Even Rolex has little motivation to really address it since they sell every watch they make with years long waits for some models. For many buyers these days, timekeeping is a somewhat secondary aspect of wearing a Rolex.

[RolexRelojes]

Thanks for the responses csaltphoto and saxo. At the very least I have an authentic timepiece, and I really like it so I don’t want to trade it in or try to reverse my deal with Bob’s. It does not make much sense why the watch didn’t come with box/papers, but its list price was 6500. Its unfortunate that their customer service is quite terrible and disregarding, but I will get the watch reviewed by a Rolex certified watchmaker. I’ll check to see if the warranty may still be active for this serial number. There are a few Rolex certified watchmakers is SoCal, and I would very much rather go to one of them- especially if the watchmaker is in house and can actually have a conversation with me. Many thanks

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Goatrope

All the data in post 5171 are from watches manufactured after the ball-bearing update, correct?:thinking:

Correct. All watches listed in my table (5171) were bought in 2024.

End of February 2023 I posted photos (in this thread) of the modified ball bearing, see 3547.

[saxo3]

50 ! people are just viewing and nobody is posting anything, come on guys ...

[Dr. Robert]

Originally Posted by saxo3

50 ! people are just viewing and nobody is posting anything, come on guys ...

I’m just waiting for the 33XX moment to come out. And all will be well in Rolex land!


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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Dr. Robert

I’m just waiting for the 33XX moment to come out. And all will be well in Rolex land!

Your post #63'000

All 5 of your fantastic posts in this thread:

(1) I concur, sadly.

(2) Better fast than slow

(3) Four or five seconds fast is ok
If it was running very fast then a visit to the watchmaker would be in order

(4) No more updates? Did Rolex fix the problem?

(5) I'm just waiting for the 33XX moment to come out. And all will be well in Rolex land!

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by RolexRelojes

Thanks for the reply saxo3, your input is very appreciated.
I purchased it without box or papers, since it was at a good price and Bob’s is local. I do not have any paperwork or Rolex warranty card for it. At the time of purchase, I asked around what date they think it was produced, and since it has a random serial number it couldn't be confirmed.

You are welcome! The box and other stuff is not important, but the warranty card is. Why would any owner or seller not have that for a rather new watch? But it's too late now.

Originally Posted by RolexRelojes

Can Rolex be contacted directly to see if it’s within 5 years, and I could get a replacement card for service?

Of course, you can contact Rolex to see if the watch is still under warranty. Don't mention the dealer or any issues. I very much doubt you will get a replacement warranty card. Therefore, it does not help, see [1]

Originally Posted by RolexRelojes

I feel that the watch is definitely out of specs, or my vintage movement must be superior to this 3235.

I am not surprised.

Originally Posted by RolexRelojes

Thanks for endorsing the weishi. I’ll have to get one to do my measurements at home. I see amazon has vendors that send it via prime!

The Weishi 1900 is a cheap but very useful and sufficient instrument for you. There are several posts in this long thread that describe the procedure that should be followed. If necessary, we can go through it when you start measuring. The main observables are the caliber amplitudes and the rates in 5 (not 6) positions. The lift angle of the 3235 movement is 53°. Basically, you need to measure after a full winding and 24 hours later. To achieve a full 32xx movement winding you need to do 40 full crown turns 360° each. My guess is that your 3235 amplitudes are too low.

I'm not sure what I would do in your situation. I would try to reverse the deal with BOB's and get my money back. Then find another 126200 (plus the card) that is still under Rolex warranty.

I would not have my 3235 serviced or repaired by anyone other than RSC. For sure not by any BOB's or TOM's or SAM's watchmaker.


[1] "Rolex guarantees the proper functioning of its watches for a period of five years from the date of purchase. The Rolex guarantee excludes normal wear-and-tear (notably the wear-and-tear of non-metal bracelets and straps), loss, theft, or damage due to misuse. The substitution of components with, or the addition of, components or accessories not manufactured by Rolex will invalidate the guarantee. The guarantee is valid only if (1) the watch has been sold by an Official Rolex Retailer; (2) the guarantee card has been completed in full by the Official Rolex Retailer at the time of purchase; and (3) the guarantee card is presented with the watch, either to an Official Rolex Retailer or to an Official Rolex Service Centre. Any work carried out by third parties will render the guarantee null and void." (source: rolex.com)

[5kooby]

My 126710BLNR GMT II, Batgirl, Dec 2023 card, Weishi 1000, LA =53.0

Full-wind 24-hr 48-hr
Position Rt. Amp. Err. | Rt Amp. Err. | Rt Amp. Err.
DU 0 256 0.0 0 237 0.1 0 207 0.0
3U -4 220 0.0 -4 200 0.0 -6 180 0.0
6U -1 219 0.2 -4 196 0.3 -10 179 0.2
9U -5 220 0.2 -4 206 0.2 -9 175 0.3
DD 1 243 0.1 0 232 0.1 0 200 0.0

Strangely, very consistent at DU and DD positions for all powers. I am thinking of regulate it to +2 spd for DU/DD positions; at least can speed up to compensate for the slow times. Worth it to send it to RSC? Seems the consensus is that Rolex can do nothing at this time? Still under warranty until 2028.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by 5kooby

My 126710BLNR GMT II, Batgirl, Dec 2023 card, Weishi 1000, LA =53.0

Full-wind 24-hr 48-hr
Position Rt. Amp. Err. | Rt Amp. Err. | Rt Amp. Err.
DU 0 256 0.0 0 237 0.1 0 207 0.0
3U -4 220 0.0 -4 200 0.0 -6 180 0.0
6U -1 219 0.2 -4 196 0.3 -10 179 0.2
9U -5 220 0.2 -4 206 0.2 -9 175 0.3
DD 1 243 0.1 0 232 0.1 0 200 0.0

Strangely, very consistent at DU and DD positions for all powers. I am thinking of regulate it to +2 spd for DU/DD positions; at least can speed up to compensate for the slow times. Worth it to send it to RSC? Seems the consensus is that Rolex can do nothing at this time? Still under warranty until 2028.

Not a great data presentation format.

This only 9 months old 3285 has the too low amplitude issue (3U, 6U after 24 hours).

All amplitudes after full winding should be a bit higher. Horizontal: 260-280, Vertical: 230-240.

Already after full winding all vertical rates are negative, compensated a bit by the horizontal rates.

Regulation is not going to solve the fundamental issue.

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"Worth it to send it to RSC?" No, not yet, I would wait and observe.

"Seems the consensus is that Rolex can do nothing at this time?" That is your not my conclusion, and wrong in my opinion.

[bigmcmuffins]

Hi all, I am a relatively new member of the forum. The hundreds of pages on this thread have been interesting to read. I share my results below in the images.

I followed the instructions included in posts in this thread on how to properly use the timegrapher. I only tracked 0,12,24hr so far, debating whether to track more, as I'd like to wear the watch tomorrow rather than sit on a timegrapher (even though I am also interested in looking at timegrapher numbers too)! But either way, I definitely plan to track the progress over the next few years as I daily wear the watch (will never be sold, even if it develops the 32xx illness, as it's my first and very sentimental). All information for the watch and performance included in the images. Forgive me if the images are hard to see, I'm not familiar with how to use the forum and uploading images (can others confirm I'm uploading the images correctly?).

Cheers all, and @saxo3, credit to you - I hope it's alright I took inspiration heavily from your plots and made my own version with a few lines in my spreadsheet - it was fun to look at your graphs!

Some notes about the watch and my personal experience daily wearing since I got it this summer: I work mostly at a desk so limited movement in a day. I aim for about 8 hrs on wrist. I rest the watch DU at night. The watch at worst loses about 1 second a day in my experience, and only really if I've had a particularly sedentary/lazy day. Otherwise, it seems I can get about -1 second per week at best. It seems to run okay and consistently with the specs measured by the timegrapher (i.e., slightly slow but within spec). I'd probably rather it run fast than slow, but that's nothing I can change and I'm enjoying the watch immensely regardless.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by bigmcmuffins

… Cheers all, and @saxo3, credit to you - I hope it's alright I took inspiration heavily from your plots and made my own version with a few lines in my spreadsheet - it was fun to look at your graphs! …

Thank you. You are the first to present such a set of graphs; great and much appreciated your effort to visualise your data. Graphs are worth a 1000 words.

Just one small note: the dotted line in your lower right graph suffers from too few data points. Therefore, it is not a 'good' fit to the data (only 3 points). If you were to measure up to about 60 hours, this would probably improve.

Anyway, your 3230 movement is good. Keep an eye on all 3 vertical amplitudes. These are the main indicators of the issue.

May I ask you the watch reference and the exact date of purchase (month/2024)?

If you want to keep track of the accuracy on a daily basis, I recommend the WatchTracker app (iOS). Two data points a day are enough.

[bigmcmuffins]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Thank you. You are the first to present such a set of graphs; great and much appreciated your effort to visualise your data. Graphs are worth a 1000 words.

@saxo3 Thanks for your comments.

I updated the graph now with measurements all the way through 60 hours and the information you requested. Specs are looking alright for me, given what I've seen from the graphs of other watches (amplitude vs time) after 48 hours.

Cheers

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by bigmcmuffins

@saxo3 Thanks for your comments.

I updated the graph now with measurements all the way through 60 hours and the information you requested. Specs are looking alright for me, given what I've seen from the graphs of other watches (amplitude vs time) after 48 hours.

Cheers

Well done!

[saxo3]

@RolexRelojes, did you buy a Weishi 1900 timegrapher?

The Rolex Datejust 126200 was launched (with the 3235 caliber) at Baselworld 2019. Without the original guarantee card the watch has NO Rolex guarantee (as posted above). There is a reason why your 126200 is $2000 cheaper than the other 3 Datejusts currently offered by Bob's.

[saxo3]

Some "Excellent Condition" modern Rolex watches from Dec 2020, May 2021, April 2023.

Doesn't mention the movement number?

Trusted Seller … can't go wrong.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Rolex1982

We are now 17 months further and it is time for an update. I got the watch back and it indeed was serviced under warranty. It is still running great in regards to timekeeping. It runs between -0.9spd and -1.1spd for the last 17 months.

Thanks for the interesting update.

Originally Posted by Rolex1982

He put it brief on the timegrapher and it’s amplitude was little under 300. I think he said something in the 295 range but it’s some time ago. I do remember he said it wasn’t bad at all for a 32xx watch that was running for a full year non stop.

Amplitudes in the range of 295°, measured in a horizontal position, are very high for a 3285 caliber. None of the 2024 watches presented in this thread has reached this value.

High amplitudes, either in dial up or dial down, are a good sign but don't allow a positive conclusion, also not the so often quoted "good timekeeping". The 3 vertical amplitudes, measured after full winding and 24 hours later, are the key figures for all 32xx watches.

Originally Posted by Rolex1982

He didn’t do a full test in all the positions because it kept time very well …

This AD watchmaker's logic is nonsense for 32xx movements.

[SwissSteph]

Hello everyone,

I am a new member and I would like to participate in this topic. I have two Rolex, the first an Explorer II "Polar" purchased in August 2024 and the second a SeaDweller purchased in September 2024 (my AD took 29 days to deliver it to me since I registered on the famous "waiting list")

I ordered the tool (WeiShi 1900), I am waiting for it to take my measurements. For the moment I have just tested it with the "Watch Accuracy Meter" application (Android) and my Explorer seems really accurate, on the other hand the SeaDweller not at all!

I will come back here as soon as I have received the Weishi and taken two measurements (the second after 24 hours) for my two watches.

Sorry for my bad English, I do my best

[hellobandit]

Welcome Steph!
You've already equipped yourself well with the WeiShi, I can't wait to see your measurements ;)
See you

[SwissSteph]

Originally Posted by hellobandit

Welcome Steph!
You've already equipped yourself well with the WeiShi, I can't wait to see your measurements ;)
See you

Thank you very much.

It's on order, and I can't wait for it to arrive. My Excel spreadsheet is already ready for my future measurements.

And if my Sea Dweller is as bad in precision (what the Android app shows me), it will quickly go back to Rolex for adjustments / repair.

Of course I'll ask for your opinion here before taking it back to the seller.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by SwissSteph

Hello everyone,

I am a new member and I would like to participate in this topic. I have two Rolex, the first an Explorer II "Polar" purchased in August 2024 and the second a SeaDweller purchased in September 2024 (my AD took 29 days to deliver it to me since I registered on the famous "waiting list")

I ordered the tool (WeiShi 1900), I am waiting for it to take my measurements. For the moment I have just tested it with the "Watch Accuracy Meter" application (Android) and my Explorer seems really accurate, on the other hand the SeaDweller not at all!

I will come back here as soon as I have received the Weishi and taken two measurements (the second after 24 hours) for my two watches.

Sorry for my bad English, I do my best

Welcome to this 32xx data thread.

Do you know the timegrapher measurement procedure? If possible, don't limit your data collection to t = 0 and t = 24 h.

Your two new 2024 watches are very interesting for this thread.

What are their reference numbers?

[tho68]

Hi all,

I just registered to this forum. There is some much interesting and useful information. Thanks!

I got my Starbucks last Friday and before picking it up I was browsing through some forums and - by accident - got in touch with this thread. I was not aware of this 32xx issue at all.

I immidiately bought a Weishi 1900 that will arive over the enxt days. I will post my results when abailable.

I browsed throgh quite a few pages but could not get the info what is the root cause of that issue. Some guys referred to Bas who explained something but I could not fine anything. Is Bas now SearChart?

Could someone let me know what is known about the root cause or refer me to the right post?

I understood there has not been a fix yet?

Regards
tho68

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by SwissSteph

Thank you very much.

It's on order, and I can't wait for it to arrive. My Excel spreadsheet is already ready for my future measurements.

And if my Sea Dweller is as bad in precision (what the Android app shows me), it will quickly go back to Rolex for adjustments / repair.

Of course I'll ask for your opinion here before taking it back to the seller.

Originally Posted by tho68

Hi all,

I just registered to this forum. There is some much interesting and useful information. Thanks!

I got my Starbucks last Friday and before picking it up I was browsing through some forums and - by accident - got in touch with this thread. I was not aware of this 32xx issue at all.

I immidiately bought a Weishi 1900 that will arive over the enxt days. I will post my results when abailable.

I browsed throgh quite a few pages but could not get the info what is the root cause of that issue. Some guys referred to Bas who explained something but I could not fine anything. Is Bas now SearChart?

Could someone let me know what is known about the root cause or refer me to the right post?

I understood there has not been a fix yet?

Regards
tho68

Welcome to the forum and this thread. A couple of points for you two to ponder:

1. This thread tends to be a bit polarizing, so dont get amped up over non-productive feedback.
2. In as much as you can read as much of this thread. There is a great deal of info within.
3. Don’t go looking for a problem. Just learn about what your meter does and what it means, learn about your watch(es).
4. Have fun.