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Yes, no issues | 1,059 | 69.72% | |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) but timekeeping is still fine | 62 | 4.08% | |
No, amplitude is low (below 200) and timekeeping is off (>5 s/d) | 398 | 26.20% | |
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18 August 2023, 11:13 PM | #4381 |
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Thank you.
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20 August 2023, 03:26 PM | #4382 |
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Probably false alarm/hope, but I noticed something "strange" with my very new (took delivery 2 weeks ago) 126610. It just stopped 2 hours ago, last wore it this morning. But I didn't notice the huge loss in time I've noticed with every other 32xx watch in the roughly last 24 hours of the PR. This morning it was still -6s TOTAL for the roughly 2 weeks I've owned it.
Being such a new watch I haven't thought of putting it on the timegrapher but I may do so just to check it out. |
20 August 2023, 05:01 PM | #4383 |
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Do a full winding (40 full crown turns), measure in 5 positions (amplitudes, rates, beat errors), and post the results.
The data will be very interesting for a new watch (08/2023). |
20 August 2023, 05:29 PM | #4384 |
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DU : +1s/d, 270, 0.0ms
DD : 0s/d, 267, 0.2ms 3U : 0s/d, 237, 0.0ms 6U : +1s/d, 232, 0.4ms 9U : +1s/d, 238, 0.4ms |
20 August 2023, 05:38 PM | #4385 |
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Looks very good to me.
The 0.4 ms beat errors are a bit high but within specs (max 0.5 ms). |
28 August 2023, 06:58 PM | #4386 |
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Hello !
A little comparison with the measurements in May, rather strange, what do you think ? 12 Mai : FULL DU : +0.7: 269 : 0ms 6H : -3.7: 211: 0ms 9H : -5.1: 215: 0.1ms 3H : -2.2: 219: 0.2ms DD : +0.9 : 258 : 0ms Moyenne : -1.88 / 234.4 / 0.06 28 Août : FULL DU : -0.4 : 281 : 0ms 6H : -0.2 : 238 : 0ms 9H : -4.8 : 230 : 0.1ms 3H : -3.1 : 224 : 0.2ms DD : +0.9 : 253 : 0ms Moyenne : -1.52 / 245.2 / 0.06 |
29 August 2023, 09:45 PM | #4388 |
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Hi Saxo3, are you okay? Yes, I would do it in a few weeks but there is a nice difference between the values. I wonder if I was completely wrapped or not. Moreover, when I go up via the crown, I usually stop when I hear a small noise (gravel), it seems to me it's when the spring slides above, right? Or do you have to continue anyway? Or else it doesn't correspond to that because usually I don't need 40 towers of crowns
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29 August 2023, 09:49 PM | #4389 |
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Another question, how can a watch change its measurement like that? I heard say for example over 5/6/7 years, a 31xx that was constant level measurement. I agree that it will change on the wrist but that the timegrapher? Do you have an explanation?
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Below is my comparison and how I see your numbers. If your timegrapher data are ok (I do not doubt them), then your watch seems to be better now in its vertical positions, after full winding at least. |
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30 August 2023, 12:07 AM | #4391 |
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Thank you Saxo. Regarding the noise, when we start to hear it, it is mandatory that the main spring slides and therefore it is completely reassembled?
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30 August 2023, 12:14 AM | #4392 | |
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I have a few questions about your timegrapher measurements: - After full winding, how long do you wait (stabilization time) before you start with the first measurement? - What is your measurement duration in each position? - How long do you wait after each position change before you start with the next measurement? - How much variation do you see in the rates and amplitudes during each individual measurement? |
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30 August 2023, 12:34 AM | #4393 |
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I do this : It’s the same that the measures of May
Wind your watch fully Switch on timegrapher Set 53, 12s, 99.9 Leave watch paused 15min in DU Position DU -> 6h -> 9h -> 3h -> DD Measure 2min DU Take values Change to 6h, leaving measurement running for 2min Restart measurement for 2min and take values same thing then for 9h, 3h and DD |
30 August 2023, 12:57 AM | #4394 |
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That looks all good. For my better understanding:
- Your Weishi 1900 measurement periods are selectable: 2 s, 4 s, 8 s, 12 s, 20 s, 30 s, 60 s. - You took 12 s and measure 2 min, that means you have 10 measurement points, correct? - If you would note all these 10 points, which are each averaged over a 12 s period, what is the variation (or scatter between) these 10 data points? This gives you an idea about the precision. |
30 August 2023, 01:09 AM | #4395 |
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We talked about this back in May. I don't really understand what this corresponds to, so I left the default at 12s.
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30 August 2023, 05:06 PM | #4396 |
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I've just rested my watch overnight for two days in DU and the other night in DD. Here's the result:
Test: DD = 0.7 in 10.8h Test: DU = 0.2 in 10.6h Whereas before, DU saved more time at night than DD. This corresponds to what I saw on the timegrapher. One question, how could my watch change its value in a few weeks/months? |
31 August 2023, 03:53 AM | #4397 |
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I would repeat the timegrapher measurements:
(a) Full winding, wait 15 min. (b) Measure rate and amplitude in 5 positions as before: 12 s, 2 min in each position, 2 min wait after each position change. (c) Repeat (b) for 2-3 times. (d) Post all data. This gives you an idea how reproducible your timegrapher data are. |
31 August 2023, 06:40 AM | #4398 |
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The timegrapher gives the same thing, and it matches what I've observed with the DU and DD over the last two days. I don't understand why the movement has "changed" its behavior and hasn't stayed like it was a few months ago.
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31 August 2023, 06:51 AM | #4399 |
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ok, then I can't help you any further
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31 August 2023, 08:28 AM | #4400 | |
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Again, overall you don't really seem to have that dramatic of a variance from May to current - not enough to worry about anyway. If you want to get that granular and that specific your data collection has to also be super granular. |
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When he repeated 10 times his timegrapher measuremts (rates, amplitudes) in the same position, he got different results and we were able to determine measurement errors. Look at post 1939 and the achieved rate results in DU, his numbers varied from 0.7 s/d to 1.8 s/d. |
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31 August 2023, 10:35 PM | #4402 |
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can a watch take a long time to stabilize?
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Stabilize the state of accuracy? Well, that depends upon many moving parts. These data from timegraphers show variances in different positions at room temperature without any external factors like arm movement etc. Since a watch is always in some state of decay from our notion of time (artificial vs astronomical) - I’d say they never “stabilize” But the break-in period for a movement is usually complete within a year. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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Take my advice get rid of your timegrapher machine,then perhaps you will then start to enjoy wearing your Rolex watch for what it is a mechanical wrist watch marvel.
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For me, part of the enjoyment of wearing a mechanical wrist watch marvel is the knowledge and assurance that the movement will chug along reliably and accurately for years and years. Those words right there on the dial - superlative chronometer - play a big role in that. That Rolex can provide all of the above in a robust and stylish package is the icing on the cake. |
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The words Superlative Chronometer been on Rolex dials for the past 50 odd years.All it means in the real world to bare the word chronometer on the dial it must be tested at the Swiss COSC and past a test to a AVERAGE of -4+6 seconds a day..
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Now since the overnight change of the Chronometer hangtag at their directive to the Superlative Chronometer hangtag. Rolex do a preliminary COSC test, which is limited to the movement just as it always has been. However the new hangtag signifies the watch is now classified by Rolex that it is indeed a Superlative Chronometer as defined by Rolex, which undergoes additional testing of the assembled watch itself and critically has the movement fitted into the case. It surpasses the COSC testing of the movement. The exclusive Rolex Superlative Chronometer certification standard is held to the much touted + or -2 seconds per day. That is the new standard which Rolex has set for themselves in their finished product. It is documented and that is the standard they work to at the RSC even after the watch has left the factory. Without exception. |
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As you state given that price point and the fact that it's promoted, i think it's fair and reasonable to have high expectations. After all Rolex won't back away from it will they? On reflection I'm not necessarily sure that anyone is stating categorically that it's wrong. Just that it's perhaps being unrealistic or pernickety or something or other I can say that I have had Rolex watches for a good many years that have run to the Superlative standard day in day out. Until this new movement came out there was no possibility that one should expect anything different going forward. Sadly it's on record that Rolex basically needs to go back and do more work I'm set, as every COSC Rolex I've had with the 31xx movement has met or surpassed the new "Superlative" accuracy standard for the last 25+ years and they continue to do so without fail with a bit of routine and timely servicing It's the sort of stuff that builds brand loyalty |
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I don't know? The watchmakers of old would refer to it If it's the stuff of fantasy, why would they speak of it? Personally I've had 3 new Rolex watches that slowed a little(maybe 1.5 - 2 seconds) within the first 2 weeks, which was consistent with what was reported back in those days on the forums. In recent times(11 years) it hasn't necessarily been quite so pronounced. Maybe a little more nuanced and much quicker if at all I think it's hard to say these days. After all how much break in occurs that would have a noticeable effect to the end user after a watch movement has been tested for about 2 weeks by COSC, then a further test period by Rolex when it's cased up in a completed watch to verify it runs to the Superlative standard. Like everything mechanical. After an intial run in period, the bits are actually wearing out to varying degrees |
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