I May Have Been Scammed Right Here On TRF

[joeychitwood]

Yet another day is passing without the return of my $3,800. It appears I'll have to file a civil suit against him.

[TattooedGQ]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

Yet another day is passing without the return of my $3,800. It appears I'll have to file a civil suit against him.

Did Fed-ex drop the watches off yet?

[1000ftSub]

When you get the watches back make sure clean off all his dirty finger prints!

[joeychitwood]

Originally Posted by TattooedGQ

Did Fed-ex drop the watches off yet?

They are due Monday. Law enforcement sent them via FedEx Ground.

[TattooedGQ]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

They are due Monday. Law enforcement sent them via FedEx Ground.

Gotcha....at least you know when they're coming.....Best of luck with the funds next.

[dmc]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

Yet another day is passing without the return of my $3,800. It appears I'll have to file a civil suit against him.

That makes me Ill. Maybe tomorrow!!!!!

What is the perps bank saying?

[Iron Dealer 1]

Doc- Congrats on almost getting your watches back! Hoping the money will follow soon. This guy doesnt deserve the good treatment he's getting...
Good thing he wasn't the sharpest tool in the chest!

[2th Dr]

Mark,
I've read through this entire thread, praying you would get your watches and money back. I'm SO happy the watches are on their way back to you. Hopefully you will soon recover your money as well. I am pleased to hear how law enforcement acted so willingly and rapidly to help you in your cause. I am also extremely happy (and not at all surprised) to have read how so many on this tightly-knit forum offered their unselfish help and support. Just goes to show how many great people are part of TRF. Happy new year to everyone, especially YOU Mark!

[Safetrends]

Doctor

Be thankful the watches are comming and I hope you do not loose the money however the watches are number one to get back. Be sure you have them checked out when you get them home!

[train-time]

Congratulations Mark!!!! I am so happy for you that resolution has been reached and all your efforts were rewarded. This is not something to view lightly. I have been through it and had to retail an attorney out of state to recover money in a watch sale many years ago. The funds miraculously turned up hours before the appointed court time. It's not a fun experience to go through.

Best wishes, Tim

[nch209]

Originally Posted by train-time

Congratulations Mark!!!! I am so happy for you that resolution has been reached and all your efforts were rewarded. This is not something to view lightly. I have been through it and had to retail an attorney out of state to recover money in a watch sale many years ago. The funds miraculously turned up hours before the appointed court time. It's not a fun experience to go through.

Best wishes, Tim

I too had to go after a person for some cash, and wasn't paid until the court proceeding. Long story short, Keep after this guy. I swear these guys drag their feet hoping you get tired and move on... Just my 2cents, but keep on him like you have been.

This whole thing is starting to make my blood boil... And I'm a pretty happy person!!!!

Keep pushing!!!!

[RolexCat]

Congrads on at least getting your watches back, and hopefully your money. Ron

[joeychitwood]

Hayes has once again disappeared. No responses to emails or phone calls. I've reported this activity to the officials in SC. There has been no return of my $3,800. The sheriff officer in SC is looking into wire fraud charges. CRAP!

[RebreatherDiver]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

Hayes has once again disappeared. No responses to emails or phone calls. I've reported this activity to the officials in SC. There has been no return of my $3,800. The sheriff officer in SC is looking into wire fraud charges. CRAP!

$3800 is much better than 2 rolex's plus $3800

Still hoping for the best........just a question for those who do lots of money wires......
can you transfer money into an account and have a hold on withdrawal until you receive the merchandise? forget it, that would cause a moral hazard on the seller....after all who is to say you never release the hold?

[asadtiger]

my best wishes and prayers are with you

[nch209]

BTW- As I sit here at the library waiting for the wifey to get here DSLR camera books, I can't seem to help but wonder if the guilty party is watching our post as a guest via a public workspace? Maybe I'm way off, but there's always a few guest viewing this post...

[1000ftSub]

There is still time, maybe they will come today Dr.B!

[joeychitwood]

Originally Posted by nch209

BTW- As I sit here at the library waiting for the wifey to get here DSLR camera books, I can't seem to help but wonder if the guilty party is watching our post as a guest via a public workspace? Maybe I'm way off, but there's always a few guest viewing this post...

At this point, it doesn't matter. He knows he is now being investigated for bank wire fraud and other charges. Apparently, law enforcement takes the use of banking institutions to commit fraud more seriously than simple deception via the internet. He's still busted, as he has admitted to two different agencies that he had my watches and still has my money, but it's a matter of doing the leg work to get him either criminally or civilly.

[Safetrends]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

At this point, it doesn't matter. He knows he is now being investigated for bank wire fraud and other charges. Apparently, law enforcement takes the use of banking institutions to commit fraud more seriously than simple deception via the internet. He's still busted, as he has admitted to two different agencies that he had my watches and still has my money, but it's a matter of doing the leg work to get him either criminally or civilly.

Hi Doctor nice to see you!

[Safetrends]

Originally Posted by nch209

BTW- As I sit here at the library waiting for the wifey to get here DSLR camera books, I can't seem to help but wonder if the guilty party is watching our post as a guest via a public workspace? Maybe I'm way off, but there's always a few guest viewing this post...

I hope he is watching because he will see not to mess with the Rolex forum. BTW if he is reading this I hope he burns in hell!

[dmc]

Its starting to sound to me like a Deputy tried to give the perp a break, Got the watches, thought he had convinced Hayes to return the money, and now the perp is going to try and run.

If I'm correct the Deputy will lose his job, and when the authorities the FBI locate this scum he will be facing wire fraud, and conspiricy to commit grand larceny. These will be federal charges, and he will probably serve at least 10 years of a 30 year sentence. The conspiracy to commit Grand Larceny will also be a federal charge, and carry a seperate sentence. And he will be a convicted felon, no longer eligable to vote or own a rifle of handgun. Or ever get a job where trust or integrity may be an issue.

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So if your watching Mr. Hayes I hope $38.00 a year is a homerun in your league. I almost forgot, You will have to make restitution, and court costs. That means repay the Money plus Marks attorney fees, travel expenses, loss of wages, etc.etc......

The crime of wire fraud is codified at 18 U.S.C. § 1343, and reads as follows:

Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

I think that would put a huge lump in my throat if I were Hayes.....

[mrh1797]

Originally Posted by dmc

Its starting to sound to me like a Deputy tried to give the perp a break, Got the watches, thought he had convinced Hayes to return the money, and now the perp is going to try and run.

If I'm correct the Deputy will lose his job, and when the authorities the FBI locate this scum he will be facing wire fraud, and conspiricy to commit grand larceny. These will be federal charges, and he will probably serve at least 10 years of a 30 year sentence. The conspiracy to commit Grand Larceny will also be a federal charge, and carry a seperate sentence. And he will be a convicted felon, no longer eligable to vote or own a rifle of handgun. Or ever get a job where trust or integrity may be an issue.

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So if your watching Mr. Hayes I hope $38.00 a year is a homerun in your league. I almost forgot, You will have to make restitution, and court costs. That means repay the Money plus Marks attorney fees, travel expenses, loss of wages, etc.etc......

The crime of wire fraud is codified at 18 U.S.C. § 1343, and reads as follows:

Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

I think that would put a huge lump in my throat if I were Hayes.....

Guys,

We cant jump to conclusions, it sounds like the deputies in this case are working their tails off to make sure Mark is returned his money and property. That is all that matters, leave the pressing of charges up to Mark, the police, and the DA...sometimes things are not what they seem and often we try to make decisions based on little information.

I know Mark is an intelligent man, you dont become a MD if you are not. I trust he is doing everything in his power to make sure Hayes doesnt do this to anybody else. In the mean time, lets all stop trying to be cops, DA's, judges, and juries.

Keep after em' Mark. TRF is behind you 100%

[CaveDiver]

Originally Posted by dmc

Its starting to sound to me like a Deputy tried to give the perp a break, Got the watches, thought he had convinced Hayes to return the money, and now the perp is going to try and run.

If I'm correct the Deputy will lose his job, and when the authorities the FBI locate this scum he will be facing wire fraud, and conspiricy to commit grand larceny. These will be federal charges, and he will probably serve at least 10 years of a 30 year sentence. The conspiracy to commit Grand Larceny will also be a federal charge, and carry a seperate sentence. And he will be a convicted felon, no longer eligable to vote or own a rifle of handgun. Or ever get a job where trust or integrity may be an issue.

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So if your watching Mr. Hayes I hope $38.00 a year is a homerun in your league. I almost forgot, You will have to make restitution, and court costs. That means repay the Money plus Marks attorney fees, travel expenses, loss of wages, etc.etc......

The crime of wire fraud is codified at 18 U.S.C. § 1343, and reads as follows:

Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

I think that would put a huge lump in my throat if I were Hayes.....

^^
an lose his job at NCR

[Tombstone]

Originally Posted by dmc

Its starting to sound to me like a Deputy tried to give the perp a break, Got the watches, thought he had convinced Hayes to return the money, and now the perp is going to try and run.

If I'm correct the Deputy will lose his job, and when the authorities the FBI locate this scum he will be facing wire fraud, and conspiricy to commit grand larceny. These will be federal charges, and he will probably serve at least 10 years of a 30 year sentence. The conspiracy to commit Grand Larceny will also be a federal charge, and carry a seperate sentence. And he will be a convicted felon, no longer eligable to vote or own a rifle of handgun. Or ever get a job where trust or integrity may be an issue.

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So if your watching Mr. Hayes I hope $38.00 a year is a homerun in your league. I almost forgot, You will have to make restitution, and court costs. That means repay the Money plus Marks attorney fees, travel expenses, loss of wages, etc.etc......

The crime of wire fraud is codified at 18 U.S.C. § 1343, and reads as follows:

Whoever, having devised or intending to devise any scheme or artifice to defraud, or for obtaining money or property by means of false or fraudulent pretenses, representations, or promises, transmits or causes to be transmitted by means of wire, radio, or television communication in interstate or foreign commerce, any writings, signs, signals, pictures, or sounds for the purpose of executing such scheme or artifice, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both. If the violation affects a financial institution, such person shall be fined not more than $1,000,000 or imprisoned not more than 30 years, or both.

I think that would put a huge lump in my throat if I were Hayes.....

Actually your not correct not even close the deputy will not lose his or her job. The deputy has done great work give credit where credit is due.

[dmc]

Originally Posted by Tombstone

Actually your not correct not even close the deputy will not lose his or her job. The deputy has done great work give credit where credit is due.

Can't you read???

If the Deputy had done his job Hayes at the very minimum should have been picked up, watches and all. Held in the county jail and given 24 hours to have his bank wire the money back to Mark. Failing to do that he could have been booked on the above charges. As far as doing great detective work a blind hog could have found Hayes. Hell, we posted a picture of his house and property records on this thread.

This is a classic open and shut case, with the overwhelming evidence of theft and fraud. His lawyer would have advised him to take a plea in exchange for a reduced sentence.


To say that there are no laws to punish Hayes for what he did, is pure ignorance. Read the Federal Laws. Here--http://www.law.cornell.edu/

Good Luck Mark I hope this ends well for you...........

[Safetrends]

Originally Posted by dmc

Can't you read???

If the Deputy had done his job Hayes at the very minimum should have been picked up, watches and all. Held in the county jail and given 24 hours to have his bank wire the money back to Mark. Failing to do that he could have been booked on the above charges. As far as doing great detective work a blind hog could have found Hayes. Hell, we posted a picture of his house and property records on this thread.

This is a classic open and shut case, with the overwhelming evidence of theft and fraud. His lawyer would have advised him to take a plea in exchange for a reduced sentence.


To say that there are no laws to punish Hayes for what he did, is pure ignorance. Read the Federal Laws. Here--http://www.law.cornell.edu/

Good Luck Mark I hope this ends well for you...........

I ready went over this once...................................

[Tombstone]

Originally Posted by dmc

Can't you read???

If the Deputy had done his job Hayes at the very minimum should have been picked up, watches and all. Held in the county jail and given 24 hours to have his bank wire the money back to Mark. Failing to do that he could have been booked on the above charges. As far as doing great detective work a blind hog could have found Hayes. Hell, we posted a picture of his house and property records on this thread.

This is a classic open and shut case, with the overwhelming evidence of theft and fraud. His lawyer would have advised him to take a plea in exchange for a reduced sentence.


To say that there are no laws to punish Hayes for what he did, is pure ignorance. Read the Federal Laws. Here--http://www.law.cornell.edu/

Good Luck Mark I hope this ends well for you...........

Sour grapes your funny.

[joeychitwood]

The deputy in SC has been incredibly helpful and has done everything legally possible to help me. I have absolutely no beef with anyone in law enforcement in this case. Their hands are tied by crazy US laws which say it is not illegal to accept money and/or goods in an internet transaction and then run without ever sending the purchased goods.

[Safetrends]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

The deputy in SC has been incredibly helpful and has done everything legally possible to help me. I have absolutely no beef with anyone in law enforcement in this case. Their hands are tied by crazy US laws which say it is not illegal to accept money and/or goods in an internet transaction and then run without ever sending the purchased goods.

People do not understand the law enforcement and how it works. The deputy did an excellent job in getting the Rolex Watches and I give that deputy a lot of credit to get this case as far as it has gotten. It takes a good investigator to get a suspect to confess in a crime and hand over the items.

Who ever this deputy works for he needs an at a boy for the good work he has done.

[joeychitwood]

Originally Posted by Safetrends

Who ever this deputy works for he needs an at a boy for the good work he has done.

I intend to write a letter to his boss commending him for helping me from such a distance.