32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[Smobews]

Originally Posted by HiBoost

Your graph is only showing my dial up numbers, which of course are higher than vertical positions. The spec (apparently) is >= 200 degrees after 24 hours in any position. After 24 hours I'm 243 degrees dial up, but only 184 degrees crown down. We always expect a vertical position to have a lower amplitude than a horizontal one, but the difference between my two seem quite extreme.

180 after 24 hour is out of Rolex specs. That sounds like warranty work.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by HiBoost

Your graph is only showing my dial up numbers, which of course are higher than vertical positions. The spec (apparently) is >= 200 degrees after 24 hours in any position. After 24 hours I'm 243 degrees dial up, but only 184 degrees crown down. We always expect a vertical position to have a lower amplitude than a horizontal one, but the difference between my two seem quite extreme.

I know that very well for my wife's CHNR!
Look at post #11 Table 1 and Table 2.
This watch has been worn 10x maximum.

[LNGSD43]

Joined this forum not long ago thinking I’d found like minded people and to gain some knowledge on a subject that interests me. This thread stood out as it’s an issue I’ve experienced (and yes I believe there is or certainly was an issue). It’s disappointing that all I find now is bickering and snide remarks. We all share a passion here and you’d think there could be some support for those who are experiencing a problem with their timepiece rather than dismissing it simply on the basis that it hasn’t affected them. It’s a real shame.

[502 to Right]

I own a 126200 Datejust I bought brand new from my AD in early March of 2020. I wore it for about about a month and then switched to other watches as I worked from home (no need to wear a dress watch). At the time it was running about +1 sec/day.

I started wearing it again about a month ago and realized it was running about -6 or -7 seconds a day. I took it to my AD and their watchmaker said it was not running within specs and he would fully service it under warranty. It's back now and running about +1 sec./day.

It's nice my watch is under warranty for another 4 years but this problem is most disconcerting for a watch of this price.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by 502 to Right

I own a 126200 Datejust I bought brand new from my AD in early March of 2020. I wore it for about about a month and then switched to other watches as I worked from home (no need to wear a dress watch). At the time it was running about +1 sec/day.

I started wearing it again about a month ago and realized it was running about -6 or -7 seconds a day. I took it to my AD and their watchmaker said it was not running within specs and he would fully service it under warranty. It's back now and running about +1 sec./day.

It's nice my watch is under warranty for another 4 years but this problem is most disconcerting for a watch of this price.

Thanks for your feedback.
Very interesting because it’s a watch sold in 2020 which showed problems already after a few months and w/o extensive use.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by 502 to Right

I own a 126200 Datejust I bought brand new from my AD in early March of 2020. I wore it for about about a month and then switched to other watches as I worked from home (no need to wear a dress watch). At the time it was running about +1 sec/day.

I started wearing it again about a month ago and realized it was running about -6 or -7 seconds a day. I took it to my AD and their watchmaker said it was not running within specs and he would fully service it under warranty. It's back now and running about +1 sec./day.

It's nice my watch is under warranty for another 4 years but this problem is most disconcerting for a watch of this price.

Welcome.

Yes it appears you’re in the same group as a few of us here. It is a bit unfortunate.

How is the watch tracking post service?


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[EEpro]

Originally Posted by 502 to Right

I own a 126200 Datejust I bought brand new from my AD in early March of 2020. I wore it for about about a month and then switched to other watches as I worked from home (no need to wear a dress watch). At the time it was running about +1 sec/day.

I started wearing it again about a month ago and realized it was running about -6 or -7 seconds a day. I took it to my AD and their watchmaker said it was not running within specs and he would fully service it under warranty. It's back now and running about +1 sec./day.

It's nice my watch is under warranty for another 4 years but this problem is most disconcerting for a watch of this price.

I think a key piece of info here is when you stopped wearing it for awhile and then it acted up.

For me, 7 months of +0.3 spd followed by a month nap, then -30 seconds at full wind.

That always made me think lubrication moving around was at least part of the issue.

[WalterE]

Originally Posted by EEpro

That always made me think lubrication moving around was at least part of the issue.

Makes sense...

[saxo3]

Rolex SD43 after Movement Service

What is achieved with a 2017 SD43 (caliber 3235) after repair in 2019.

Amplitude & Accuracy vs. Time is shown in the graph below.

It is the same watch as described in posts #432, #466.

Data taken beginning of February 2021, in DU position after full winding.




Results:
- More than 200 degrees achieved after 60 hours.

- The amplitude reduction with time is absolutely normal for all movements.

- The 3235 caliber keeps a constant accuracy of about + 5 sec/day (blue line in the graph) up to approx. 60 hours

- This accuracy is only a matter of regulation, nothing wrong with the caliber.

- The movement was still running (rather well) after 69.5 hours.
- Its amplitude was 138 degrees with an accuracy (at that moment) of +/- 0 sec/day.

- The 3235 caliber stopped completely after 72 hours + 01 min.

I think these are very good results.

I'm optimistic that Rolex knows how to solve issues if they arise with some of the 32xx movements.

I hope that stops the bashing of some Rolex fans that collect and share data in this forum.

Comparable amplitude measurements are shown in posts #414, #420, #430.
Andad: Submariner 14060 M
saxo3: Exlorer II 216570
saxo3: Sea-Dweller 126600
Smobews: Sea-Dweller 126600
Michael N Q8: GMT-Master II 126710
Andad: Datejust 126300
HiBoost: Submariner 126613LB

[WalterE]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Rolex SD43 after Movement Service

What is achieved with a 2017 SD43 (caliber 3235) after repair in 2019.

Amplitude & Accuracy vs. Time is shown in the graph below.

[...]

I think these are very good results.

I'm optimistic that Rolex knows how to solve issues if they arise with some of the 32xx movements.

The consistency of those results looks excellent to me indeed. Proof those of us who buy the watches to enjoy should not worry.

I can understand the reasons for panic in those who see them as investment pieces or, at a minimum, as "cash in hand" as I've seen them being called. If all of the sudden 32xx were to develop a bad reputation as "lemons", the value of such commodities would drop...

Oh, dear... Let me take cover... Should have

[saxo3]

Amplitude vs. Time data collected (so far) in this thread.

[Smobews]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Amplitude vs. Time data collected (so far) in this thread.

picture is worth 1000 words

when the old movement stops running, the new movement still has over 200 amplitude

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Smobews

picture is worth 1000 words

when the old movement stops running, the new movement still has over 200 amplitude

3235 vs 3187
You mean that comparison?
Indeed that goes w/o explanations.



Where my 3187 stops, my 3235 still has 250 degrees amplitude.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by saxo3

You 'forgot' the SD43 Mk1, which you purchased on 04 May 2017. What is your experience with that 3235 movement? Also no issues?
Cheers!

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=615012

Yes that one too

As I stated I wear my watches in rotation and I don’t monitor my watch performance like some here.

That’s said, I understand if some are concerned/interested/more exuberant about time keeping accuracy.

Is there an issue? Well possibly there is. Are there a huge number of variables to making this a scientific poll? Yes but this thread seems to point to many members who notice an accuracy issue.

Will Rolex fix the problem if it exists? I believe they will and as a result, my ability to enjoy any of my watches that have a 32xx series movement is unaffected by this or other threads like it.

[saxo3]

Great and thanks for your reply!
Enjoy. Cheers.

[Lol-x]

Do you think that one needs to buy an expensive timegrapher to get accurate results or would a $100 unit yield the same results?

Maybe the daily error is just a function of some other timing variation and not the Rolex movement.

[HiBoost]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Do you think that one needs to buy an expensive timegrapher to get accurate results or would a $100 unit yield the same results?

Maybe the daily error is just a function of some other timing variation and not the Rolex movement.

I have actually searched for any evidence that a cheap timegrapher produces untrustworthy results but I haven't been able to find that. I think that the reality is a watch is moving in super slow motion compared to even the most modest integrated circuit. If you've got a processor "ticking" at even 1MHz that is so far beyond a watch at 5Hz it's hard to imagine it not being able to track things precisely. As well, just doing a sanity comparison test, I get higher amplitudes from all my other watches (even a vintage 1675) than I do on the new Sub so this too makes me feel more confident it's not just outputting junk/random numbers. I think what the $2000 timegraphers buy you are the fancier features like letting you zoom in on the waveform captured by the mic to literally see problems in one part of the beat pattern versus another. The simple sec/day check and even the amplitude measurement, seem to be achievable by all hardware.

[Fuzzyme]

I would like to bring up a few points that have not been discussed on this thread yet.

You've all, kind of lost the point of buying an automatic watch.

The advantage here, is to have the watch completely wound within a few hours of waking up, and have it run at the amount of wind throughout the entire day, which keeps the timing of the watch to a constant all day long.

If the 32XX has an issue with timing differences according to different amplitudes (which has not been proven) having it run at around 270 degrees amplitude all day, surely make the watch maintain good timing throughout the day

We're talking about the watch potentially losing time during the night, when you put it down to sleep.

For most of us that maybe 7 hours a day.
If you find your watch gains or loses overnight.
Try this.

The watch has 5 other positions that it can run while set down.
Find the position that loses or gains nothing over night, and your problem is solved.
Or find the position where it catches up or loses what it has gained or lost during the day.

Next point I would like to bring up.
Most of us on this forum do not have Vibrographs to put our watches on.

I would like to know how people are actually timing their watches.
Is that an effective and accurate way to check the timing of your watch??

Last point.
Every 32XX watch that rolls out of the factory, has been sent to COSC for timing.
I'm not sure all of you understand that the movement is sent to COSC alone.
No automatic, no calendar mechanism, and a generic dial with only 3 hands.

The watch is wound completely by hand and left in the same position for the entire day.
Next day, wound by hand, and set aside for the entire day in that position.

Here we have no ability for the automatic to recharge the dying mainspring and the watch is left to it's own devices as the amplitude dies throughout the entire day.

And don't forget, every watch sold, has passed this process.

And then after assembly, the watch is put onto a secondary test , the Green Seal.

Search The Rolex Way, Tested to Extremes

Stringently tested after casing, not only for timing, waterproof as well. With dial and hands, cased and ready to go.

Are these checks not enough????????

[francis]

Originally Posted by Fuzzyme

I would like to bring up a few points that have not been discussed on this thread yet.

You've all, kind of lost the point of buying an automatic watch.

The advantage here, is to have the watch completely wound within a few hours of waking up, and have it run at the amount of wind throughout the entire day, which keeps the timing of the watch to a constant all day long.

If the 32XX has an issue with timing differences according to different amplitudes (which has not been proven) having it run at around 270 degrees amplitude all day, surely make the watch maintain good timing throughout the day

We're talking about the watch potentially losing time during the night, when you put it down to sleep.

For most of us that maybe 7 hours a day.
If you find your watch gains or loses overnight.
Try this.

The watch has 5 other positions that it can run while set down.
Find the position that loses or gains nothing over night, and your problem is solved.
Or find the position where it catches up or loses what it has gained or lost during the day.

Next point I would like to bring up.
Most of us on this forum do not have Vibrographs to put our watches on.

I would like to know how people are actually timing their watches.
Is that an effective and accurate way to check the timing of your watch??

Last point.
Every 32XX watch that rolls out of the factory, has been sent to COSC for timing.
I'm not sure all of you understand that the movement is sent to COSC alone.
No automatic, no calendar mechanism, and a generic dial with only 3 hands.

The watch is wound completely by hand and left in the same position for the entire day.
Next day, wound by hand, and set aside for the entire day in that position.

Here we have no ability for the automatic to recharge the dying mainspring and the watch is left to it's own devices as the amplitude dies throughout the entire day.

And don't forget, every watch sold, has passed this process.

And then after assembly, the watch is put onto a secondary test , the Green Seal.

Search The Rolex Way, Tested to Extremes

Stringently tested after casing, not only for timing, waterproof as well. With dial and hands, cased and ready to go.

Are these checks not enough????????

Well my 3235 was losing 30 seconds a day no matter the position so maybe they forgot to do all that stuff to mine?

[Fuzzyme]

Yes, your watch has a problem.
At 30 seconds a day, I would go so far as to say, perhaps something like a broken mainspring, or very low amplitude do to some other contributing factor.
If you bring it back, it should be an easy fix for them??
Is it under warrantee still?

[francis]

Originally Posted by Fuzzyme

Yes, your watch has a problem.
At 30 seconds a day, I would go so far as to say, perhaps something like a broken mainspring, or very low amplitude do to some other contributing factor.
If you bring it back, it should be an easy fix for them??
Is it under warrantee still?

Yes it is under warranty and I did send it back. It was having all the issues outlined in this thread. There was nothing broke in it. It runs fine now but some on here have said after a few months the problem starts again. It is a known issue with this newish movement..

[Fuzzyme]

Your watch is running fine????

[HiBoost]

Originally Posted by Fuzzyme

I would like to bring up a few points that have not been discussed on this thread yet.

...

Are these checks not enough????????

Originally Posted by Fuzzyme

Yes, your watch has a problem.
At 30 seconds a day, I would go so far as to say, perhaps something like a broken mainspring, or very low amplitude do to some other contributing factor.
If you bring it back, it should be an easy fix for them??
Is it under warrantee still?

It seems as though you have not actually gone through the info in this thread. If the topic interests you I would suggest going back through the posts and you will see the specific damage (including pictures) found. And the RSC watchmaker opinion that there is no long term fix at this time. And the reports of significant time loss appearing after months of previously great performance. And the reports of watches developing the problem a second or third time after official Rolex servicing. Etc. etc. Nobody here has ever suggested that the timing standards Rolex tests against at the factory are the issue here.

[Fuzzyme]

Originally Posted by HiBoost

It seems as though you have not actually gone through the info in this thread. If the topic interests you I would suggest going back through the posts and you will see the specific damage (including pictures) found. And the RSC watchmaker opinion that there is no long term fix at this time. And the reports of significant time loss appearing after months of previously great performance. And the reports of watches developing the problem a second or third time after official Rolex servicing. Etc. etc. Nobody here has ever suggested that the timing standards Rolex tests against at the factory are the issue here.

When you finish your significant Poll and send you results to HQ, I certainly hope you tell them to throw out all that expensive testing equipment they have now and buy Timegraphers and start using apps to time the watches before they send them out.

I also suggest you ask them exactly what is the lift angle of a 32XX

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by Fuzzyme

I would like to bring up a few points that have not been discussed on this thread yet.

You've all, kind of lost the point of buying an automatic watch.

The advantage here, is to have the watch completely wound within a few hours of waking up, and have it run at the amount of wind throughout the entire day, which keeps the timing of the watch to a constant all day long.

If the 32XX has an issue with timing differences according to different amplitudes (which has not been proven) having it run at around 270 degrees amplitude all day, surely make the watch maintain good timing throughout the day

We're talking about the watch potentially losing time during the night, when you put it down to sleep.

For most of us that maybe 7 hours a day.
If you find your watch gains or loses overnight.
Try this.

The watch has 5 other positions that it can run while set down.
Find the position that loses or gains nothing over night, and your problem is solved.
Or find the position where it catches up or loses what it has gained or lost during the day.

Next point I would like to bring up.
Most of us on this forum do not have Vibrographs to put our watches on.

I would like to know how people are actually timing their watches.
Is that an effective and accurate way to check the timing of your watch??

Last point.
Every 32XX watch that rolls out of the factory, has been sent to COSC for timing.
I'm not sure all of you understand that the movement is sent to COSC alone.
No automatic, no calendar mechanism, and a generic dial with only 3 hands.

The watch is wound completely by hand and left in the same position for the entire day.
Next day, wound by hand, and set aside for the entire day in that position.

Here we have no ability for the automatic to recharge the dying mainspring and the watch is left to it's own devices as the amplitude dies throughout the entire day.

And don't forget, every watch sold, has passed this process.

And then after assembly, the watch is put onto a secondary test , the Green Seal.

Search The Rolex Way, Tested to Extremes

Stringently tested after casing, not only for timing, waterproof as well. With dial and hands, cased and ready to go.

Are these checks not enough????????

Thank you for talking to us without fully understanding how this thread came to be while assuming we don't understand the basics.

[5513-L Series]

Just picked up a 2021 124060 No Date Submariner. I keep it on my wrist 12 hours a day and store it dial up at night. Over a 7 day period I lost a total of 1 second! It’s by far the most accurate Rolex I’ve ever owned. The movement is incredibly accurate on my wrist and I couldn’t be happier.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by 5513-L Series

Just picked up a 2021 124060 No Date Submariner. I keep it on my wrist 12 hours a day and store it dial up at night. Over a 7 day period I lost a total of 1 second! It’s by far the most accurate Rolex I’ve ever owned. The movement is incredibly accurate on my wrist and I couldn’t be happier.

Yep when they run on spec they are insanely good.

A lot of us starting having issues one year in.


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[PekWatchGuy]

+1

Originally Posted by amanbra

yep when they run on spec they are insanely good.

A lot of us starting having issues one year in.


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[TswaneNguni]

Btw,where have the Rolex TechXperts (Bas and Scott ) gone ?

I see they haven't been on the forum for quite some time .

[Tritto]

Originally Posted by TswaneNguni

Btw,where have the Rolex TechXperts (Bas and Scott ) gone ?

I see they haven't been on the forum for quite some time .

Too busy fixing busted 32xx movements to bother with TRF?


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