32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[77T]

Understand the kidding reference, but in simpler terms, Rolex regulates any movement the same whether 30xx, 31xx, or 32xx.

After all, COSC uses five different positions and METAS uses six - PLUS at least three different temperatures to certify.

So after V&H, we still have 3-4 to go...



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[saxo3]

Yes, PaulG.
I think it's a kind of lost opportunity to check an only 4 months old 32xx caliber, which already loses 4 s/d, with a timegrapher (in 5 positions) to measure if it's only a matter or regulation or if the movement already suffers from the well known too low amplitude effect. We haven't learned anything with the information provided so far.

[belutak]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Yes, PaulG.
I think it's a kind of lost opportunity to check an only 4 months old 32xx caliber, which already loses 4 s/d, with a timegrapher (in 5 positions) to measure if it's only a matter or regulation or if the movement already suffers from the well known too low amplitude effect. We haven't learned anything with the information provided so far.

If the issue was the low amplitude then it still is there - it could not have been fixed by the 5min tuning, I think?

Anyway, I am still away on a trip but when I return to my hometown I will take it to my local RSC again for a proper check because I am also very curious to get to the bottom of the issue (my engineering OCD )


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[nikola0406]

I just got a brand new 224270 two days ago, so I can do a report from time to time. I dont have a professional timegrapher, just the android app. For now it is spot on.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by nikola0406

I just got a brand new 224270 two days ago, so I can do a report from time to time. I dont have a professional timegrapher, just the android app. For now it is spot on.

You don't need a professional timegrapher, a 200 $ instrument is sufficient; app readings can suffer a lot from the pick-up of external noise signals.

[nikola0406]

Originally Posted by saxo3

You don't need a professional timegrapher, a 200 $ instrument is sufficient; app readings can suffer a lot from the pick-up of external noise signals.

I time all my watches early in the morning when all is super quiet so it should be pretty accurate, amplitude is little over 300 or there about, beat error is 0.4, 0s per day on face up. Lift angle is set to 53

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by nikola0406

I time all my watches early in the morning when all is super quiet so it should be pretty accurate, amplitude is little over 300 or there about, beat error is 0.4, 0s per day on face up. Lift angle is set to 53

You know it better, ok, q.e.d.

[nikola0406]

No, no you got me wrong there, didn't say it is better, of course it is not, just saying what I have and what I do

[nikola0406]

From today, fully wound, CD and DD, not great not terrible :)

[saxo3]

DD: -1.3 s/d - 273 deg. - 0.1 ms
9U: +1.3 s/d - 247 deg. - 0.3 ms
not so bad, why only 2 positions?

Excellent timegrapher, placement of the watch by an amateur

Carry on.

[nikola0406]

I was interested in these two positions

[maratka]

I have a 126613LN bought a week ago. Every day it gains +1 second, a total of +6 seconds already. Is this a reason to take it to the service center? Or is gaining time good? I don't have a measuring device.

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by maratka

I have a 126613LN bought a week ago. Every day it gains +1 second, a total of +6 seconds already. Is this a reason to take it to the service center? Or is gaining time good? I don't have a measuring device.

+1 a day is awesome.

[Toshk]

Originally Posted by Easy E

+1 a day is awesome.

Good sign indeed. All my faulty ones were losing time out of the box.

[maratka]

Originally Posted by Easy E

+1 a day is awesome.

I think I'll observe them for about a month, and then I'll take them to a watchmaker for a check-up on a professional device and ask to have the watch opened. Also, a friend who works in a service center in another country said that three watches with the 32xx movement had lubrication issues (a customer was choosing from three new watches from 2024 in his service center, and the technician opened the case back and said that all three had no lubrication).

[S.Explorer]

It's your watch so do as you please, but I'd definitely not take it for a check-up, let alone have it opened up, when it's running at +1 sec/day. That's well within tolerance.

[maratka]

Originally Posted by S.Explorer

It's your watch so do as you please, but I'd definitely not take it for a check-up, let alone have it opened up, when it's running at +1 sec/day. That's well within tolerance.

I thought about this because a friend who owns a service center said that almost all the watches that came to him for authenticity assessment or inspection when purchased by third parties turned out to be dry (and completely new!). He also said that after lubrication, the problems disappeared (it's unknown for how long, as he only knows the fate of a few watches whose owners constantly come to him). In any case, for some users, everything was fine after lubrication. I only considered an inspection to avoid wear on the mechanism in the future. Isn't lubrication a panacea?

[S.Explorer]

Originally Posted by maratka

I thought about this because a friend who owns a service center said that almost all the watches that came to him for authenticity assessment or inspection when purchased by third parties turned out to be dry (and completely new!). He also said that after lubrication, the problems disappeared (it's unknown for how long, as he only knows the fate of a few watches whose owners constantly come to him). In any case, for some users, everything was fine after lubrication. I only considered an inspection to avoid wear on the mechanism in the future. Isn't lubrication a panacea?

Others have mentioned lack of / migrated lubrication as a potential issue, but I'm not sure if a permanent fix is simply to re-lube in that case.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by maratka

I have a 126613LN bought a week ago. Every day it gains +1 second, a total of +6 seconds already. Is this a reason to take it to the service center? Or is gaining time good? I don't have a measuring device.

No. Yes. Get one (timegrapher) or use the WatchTracker smartphone app for tracking.
Watch resting position (overnight) enables to compensate daily gain or loss.
+1 s/d is probably easy to compensate by choosing the adequate rest position (likely a vertical position: 3U, 6U, 9U).

Originally Posted by maratka

I think I'll observe them for about a month, and then I'll take them to a watchmaker for a check-up on a professional device and ask to have the watch opened. Also, a friend who works in a service center in another country said that three watches with the 32xx movement had lubrication issues (a customer was choosing from three new watches from 2024 in his service center, and the technician opened the case back and said that all three had no lubrication).

Good. Do NOT do that!

"Any work carried out by third parties will render the guarantee null and void."

Where did you buy the watch? New form an AD?


Source: https://www.rolex.com/watch-care-and-service/faq

[maratka]

Originally Posted by saxo3

No. Yes. Get one (timegrapher) or use the WatchTracker smartphone app for tracking.
Watch resting position (overnight) enables to compensate daily gain or loss.
+1 s/d is probably easy to compensate by choosing the adequate rest position (likely a vertical position: 3U, 6U, 9U).

Good. Do NOT do that!

"Any work carried out by third parties will render the guarantee null and void."

Where did you buy the watch? New form an AD?


Source: https://www.rolex.com/watch-care-and-service/faq

No, it will be the official service center at the store where I bought the watch.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by maratka

No, it will be the official service center at the store where I bought the watch.

Thanks. How old is the watch? You are the first owner? You have the original Rolex guarantee card?

[maratka]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Thanks. How old is the watch? You are the first owner? You have the original Rolex guarantee card?

Yes, I bought them from an authorized dealer a week ago. These are new watches.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by maratka

Yes, I bought them from an authorized dealer a week ago. These are new watches.

Try different rest positions overnight.
Good luck!

[maratka]

Originally Posted by saxo3

Try different rest positions overnight.
Good luck!

I'm more interested in ensuring that the mechanism is in good condition and not wearing out (lubrication, parts, etc.), rather than just correcting this inaccuracy. Honestly, I don't want to deal with such positioning. But the most important thing for me is that the mechanism is in good condition. My friend really scared me.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by maratka

I'm more interested in ensuring that the mechanism is in good condition and not wearing out (lubrication, parts, etc.), rather than just correcting this inaccuracy. Honestly, I don't want to deal with such positioning. But the most important thing for me is that the mechanism is in good condition. My friend really scared me.

The easiest control is a measurement with a timegrapher, in 5 positions, after full winding, and 24 hours later.

[maratka]

Originally Posted by saxo3

The easiest control is a measurement with a timegrapher, in 5 positions, after full winding, and 24 hours later.

Wouldn't it be easier to just open the case back and check if there is lubrication? I think accuracy reflects the condition of the mechanism and lubrication, but not always.

I have a question - if the watch consistently gains +1 second when the dial is facing up (resulting in +1 minute at the end of the month), is it safe to assume there's nothing wrong with the mechanism?

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by maratka

Wouldn't it be easier to just open the case back and check if there is lubrication? I think accuracy reflects the condition of the mechanism and lubrication, but not always.

I have a question - if the watch consistently gains +1 second when the dial is facing up (resulting in +1 minute at the end of the month), is it safe to assume there's nothing wrong with the mechanism?

Probably, but without data from a 5 position test you can’t say as an absolute. With +1 I’d bet your fine, but that just a guess. As advertised, leave it crown up overnight or for a day and see what that does. Or, take to the AD and get them to run the 5 position test. Which is what I would do. Keep those numbers and now you have a baseline to compare the watch performance against in a year…or whatever interval suits your tolerance.

[77T]

Originally Posted by maratka

Wouldn't it be easier to just open the case back and check if there is lubrication? I think accuracy reflects the condition of the mechanism and lubrication, but not always.

Maybe easy but incorrect if the watch is under warranty. And lube alone is not an indicator of any root cause of a movement's accuracy problem.

Originally Posted by maratka

I have a question - if the watch consistently gains +1 second when the dial is facing up (resulting in +1 minute at the end of the month), is it safe to assume there's nothing wrong with the mechanism?

+1sec. is fine performance.
No worries in such a movement.


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[saxo3]

Originally Posted by 77T

+1sec. is fine performance.
No worries in such a movement.

I disagree.

An observed accuracy of about +1 s/d does not mean that a 32xx caliber is healthy. We have shown (with data) and discussed this fact already many times in this thread.

A 32xx watch can still run very accurately although the caliber suffers from too low amplitudes, this is measurable (with a timegrapher) after full winding (t = 0) and at t = 24 hours.

The main observables are the caliber amplitudes in all 3 vertical watch positions. By opening the caseback you have no chance to 'see' that.

I agree with you that +1 s/d is a 'fine performance'.

[nikola0406]

DU 276 amplitude
20h later DU 270

Talk to you in 4h ;)