32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Dirt

I wonder if an exchange movement will carry the original serial number
Regardless, it will be a first for Rolex SOP
Perhaps it will herald in a new era for Rolex with routine exchange assemblies?

And now we have Rolex movement swap hysteria starting on forum as well as the rest of todays worries. I sometime wonder why some buy Rolex watches perhaps just to wear the name, or find something to moan about. In all my life and been wearing Rolex watches for over 50 years ,but never experienced the heartaches of many of todays owners so called problems. Perhaps then we bought our Rolex watches to wear and enjoy hopefully in good health for decades to come, perhaps Rolex were better back then, but even thats doubtful.

[peterskinner]

Well, yes. If owning and wearing a Rolex isn’t enjoyable, why bother? Plenty of other choices.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Jack T

We are spending a lot of money on these watches, some much more than others, and have every right to expect them to perform as, or close to advertised. And people have put a lot of effort in to measuring, calibrating and documenting the issues, which is what this forum is for.

Just saw a post from a fellow whose recently purchased DD40 is running slow by 10 seconds a day, RSC mangled the case on him, and this is a 60k platinum watch!! I wonder if he even knows what movement he’s got in there.

To reiterate, from the articles and reviews I’ve read about the 32xx series movement, there are potentially more significant longer term performance and service issues with this movement than the current timekeeping problems.

I fully agree with all points.

Originally Posted by jssans

Went to the AD where I bought my 2019 40mm DJ. I told them it was running 20 sec slow. They looked at me with disbelief. The salesperson asked if it sits a lot or is worn daily. It was as if this was the 1st they had encountered this issue. They said they would put the watch on a machine in the back to verify. Salesperson walked back out & said the watch definitely needs service.

An incompetent AD, a liar, both?

Originally Posted by amanbra

You know for my dj I actually would prefer a movement swap out.

That will very likely never happen and it is also not justified.

Originally Posted by goodolejr

But wouldn't you just be getting another defective movement?

Very likely not.

Originally Posted by amanbra

I'm pretty sure they're not all defective... it's only a subset of people reporting issues... Secondly there's a good chance they have actually fixed the fundamental issue.

Absolutely correct!

Originally Posted by Dirt

Assuming Rolex is indeed engaging in a movement exchange program.
They will give you whatever they deem acceptable regardless of your preference.
You effectively won't have a choice. As to the reliability of any movement you may end up with.
Rolex will put it right

Wrong assumption with the movement exchange, that would be by far too expensive.
YES for the rest.

Originally Posted by amanbra

BAS reported a tech doc update of the lift angle changing. For me it's signs they're working on stuff.

It's SURE that Rolex knew and started working already a couple of years ago!
SearChart (aka Bas) has a good reputation in this forum, no doubt at all.
It's "amazing" that most here rely on posts of 1 (one) watchmaker only.
Apparently there is little trust on other contributions...

Originally Posted by amanbra

Mine range great after returning from RSC but in the last month or so starting to see the decline again. This is about 4 months after RSC. Keep an eye on it. At the moment you can't conclude if it's a perma fix or not. Maybe you got a movement swap out to v2? I'd certainly want that if that's the case.

Mine was very well repaired by Rolex (end 2019). Problems did not come back until February 2021. The average rate slowly increased, it now is about +4 to +5 sec/day, which only is a question of regulation.

Originally Posted by Dirt

I wonder if an exchange movement will carry the original serial number Regardless, it will be a first for Rolex SOP Perhaps it will herald in a new era for Rolex with routine exchange assemblies?

No need to consider anything of that, it simply will not happen.

And then we still have the notorious deniers as well as those who have been lost in the past century (not you Dirt!)

[HiBoost]

Originally Posted by padi56

And now we have Rolex movement swap hysteria starting on forum as well as the rest of todays worries. I sometime wonder why some buy Rolex watches perhaps just to wear the name, or find something to moan about. In all my life and been wearing Rolex watches for over 50 years ,but never experienced the heartaches of many of todays owners so called problems.

There's really only one user who comes off as a bit hysterical in this thread, and any objective observer could easily pinpoint the "king of moaning". The rest of us are trying to have a sane discussion about various aspects of watches. But do tell, what topic is it that would please you? I've literally never seen you post a supportive or positive sounding response on any thread. Should we all just write in each day saying "Everything still perfect with my watch, and my mind is completely void of questions or curiosity. Cheers"? Sounds like the makings of an amazing forum!

As the owner and moderator of a forum myself I find it absolutely baffling that a forum would employ a moderator who continually pesters users for simply using the platform. If we are in violation of some forum rules then please advise. Otherwise, good god man, can you not find some other way to spend your 86400 seconds each day?

[doramas]

Something is wrong with 3235. It is a new movement and it is not normal that 1/3 of the respondents have problems.
I obviously shy away from that movement. I prefer the reliability of the 3135/3130 movement.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by peterskinner

Well, yes. If owning and wearing a Rolex isn’t enjoyable, why bother? Plenty of other choices.

Agreed

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by HiBoost

There's really only one user who comes off as a bit hysterical in this thread, and any objective observer could easily pinpoint the "king of moaning". The rest of us are trying to have a sane discussion about various aspects of watches. But do tell, what topic is it that would please you? I've literally never seen you post a supportive or positive sounding response on any thread. Should we all just write in each day saying "Everything still perfect with my watch, and my mind is completely void of questions or curiosity. Cheers"? Sounds like the makings of an amazing forum!

As the owner and moderator of a forum myself I find it absolutely baffling that a forum would employ a moderator who continually pesters users for simply using the platform. If we are in violation of some forum rules then please advise. Otherwise, good god man, can you not find some other way to spend your 86400 seconds each day?

I think Padi is just trying to keep things grounded around here
Besides if I'm honest, if it weren't for him I personally wouldn't have ever given any thought as to how many seconds there are in a day

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by doramas

Something is wrong with 3235. It is a new movement and it is not normal that 1/3 of the respondents have problems.
I obviously shy away from that movement. I prefer the reliability of the 3135/3130 movement.

It's simply another example in life where it doesn't necessarily pay to be an early adopter

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by saxo3

And then we still have the notorious deniers as well as those who have been lost in the past century (not you Dirt!)

What are you talking about?
It's 1969 isn't it?
Next thing you'll be telling us is that Jim Morrison is dead

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Dirt

What are you talking about?

[Smobews]

Seven months in on a new SD43. It has stabilized to the following:

Resting dial up at night I get a consistent 0.3 spd. resting crown down at night I get -0.7 spd.

I rest it every nights dial up, and rest it crown down on Saturday and Sunday nights. It's no more than +1.5 spd each week, and buy Monday its back to atomic clock time.

Love the 3235 movement.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by Smobews

Seven months in on a new SD43. It has stabilized to the following:

Resting dial up at night I get a consistent 0.3 spd. resting crown down at night I get -0.7 spd.

I rest it every nights dial up, and rest it crown down on Saturday and Sunday nights. It's no more than +1.5 spd each week, and buy Monday its back to atomic clock time.

Love the 3235 movement.

Wow, that is excellent timekeeping!

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by saxo3

I can change just as I please if and as required.
I can site many examples that come to mind if you'd like me to share.
It all comes down to relevance.

I'll have you know that I have always been open to change even though it has been more challenging for me than some other people. In fact I have changed so much over this life that I have totally reversed direction. Sometimes after going in a full circle

Now that we've resolved the issue of change and my capacity for it. Also that I will be the sole arbiter of what I deem relevant to change based upon my own priorities.

May I ask, are you having a bit of a dig directly at my inteligence based upon your assessment of my capacity to embrace change?
I ask this because my Asbergers is clouding my judgement.
As we are going off topic again.
To this, perhaps you may enjoy taking the time to send me a PM?

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Smobews

Seven months in on a new SD43. It has stabilized to the following:

Resting dial up at night I get a consistent 0.3 spd. resting crown down at night I get -0.7 spd.

I rest it every nights dial up, and rest it crown down on Saturday and Sunday nights. It's no more than +1.5 spd each week, and buy Monday its back to atomic clock time.

Love the 3235 movement.

That's sensational
I hope it stays that way for you in the main.
Most of us can only dream of such performance.

I assume you have voted accordingly in the poll

[aayates]

Originally Posted by HiBoost

There's really only one user who comes off as a bit hysterical in this thread, and any objective observer could easily pinpoint the "king of moaning". The rest of us are trying to have a sane discussion about various aspects of watches. But do tell, what topic is it that would please you? I've literally never seen you post a supportive or positive sounding response on any thread. Should we all just write in each day saying "Everything still perfect with my watch, and my mind is completely void of questions or curiosity. Cheers"? Sounds like the makings of an amazing forum!

As the owner and moderator of a forum myself I find it absolutely baffling that a forum would employ a moderator who continually pesters users for simply using the platform. If we are in violation of some forum rules then please advise. Otherwise, good god man, can you not find some other way to spend your 86400 seconds each day?

Hopefully we won't be banned. Lots of seconds in a day I'm told, ought to be some that can be positive.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by aayates

Hopefully we won't be banned. Lots of seconds in a day I'm told, ought to be some that can be positive.

There is 100% and issue and this more than just an isolated few.

We all know Rolex have a history of quiet fixing/improving things without letting anyone know. For this reason it wouldn't shock me if they address some of the problem 3235s like this.

Also it makes a tonne of sense from an efficiency standpoint to service like this.

A bit of a stretch to call it hysteria.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by saxo3

It's SURE that Rolex knew and started working already a couple of years ago!
SearChart (aka Bas) has a good reputation in this forum, no doubt at all.
It's "amazing" that most here rely on posts of 1 (one) watchmaker only.
Apparently there is little trust on other contributions...

He is a technical expert working on the movement day in day out with direct tech docs from Rolex, the rest of the people are just reporting back off timegraphers. His word is worth more than anyone elses.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by amanbra

He is a technical expert working on the movement day in day out with direct tech docs from Rolex, the rest of the people are just reporting back off timegraphers. His word is worth more than anyone elses.

This

The reason “so many” members accept the opinions and statements from Bas is because he is the absolute BEST source on Rolex movements. If you don’t agree then please tell me who, besides a Rolex-employed watchmaker could have more experience and knowledge.

Please, if anyone else on this thread or forum has a closer and more expert connection to the Rolex movement then by all means, identify yourself and please speak up, I will listen. Until then, Bas is the technical expert, you can even read it on his signature... or did he simply fool the owners and mods of this forum? To belittle his knowledge, experience and opinion is a sure sign “someone” desires a skewed outcome and will not objectively appreciate the most knowledgeable and accredited expert of the topic at hand.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by amanbra

He is ... working ... with direct tech docs from Rolex

How do you know? Has he ever shared one original Rolex tech document about movements with you?

Originally Posted by amanbra

.... the rest of the people are just reporting back off timegraphers.

How do you know? It's an Internet forum and for approx. 99 % of the people you have no idea who they are, not even where they are living.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by saxo3

How do you know? Has he ever shared one original Rolex tech document about movements with you?
.

Well, to be practical about it I doubt he would be able to on a public forum(?), I honestly don’t know. He did post some documents in his earlier thread, I have no idea if those are “official” Rolex documents or not.

So, I guess you are suggesting that Bas, whom has been identified as a tech expert by TRF owners and Mods, and is a certified watchmaker employed by Rolex, is lying. He is personally misleading the entire forum, is that it? I supposed he was ordered by his superiors at Rolex to do so. Or do you doubt he is actually a watchmaker?

You obviously have an agenda and a decisive end result of this thread in regards to the 3235. Why, I have no idea but you question anyone or anything that suggests it is not a failure or a very serious issue. Personally, I actually think there is a problem, but if the numbers were a thousand to one against, you would still be suggesting lies, conspiracies, falsified information to support the opposite. It really loses all respect for this supposed “objective” information-gathering effort.

If we got Hans Wisdorf to offer his opinion that it was not a bad design or serious issue would you accept HIS technical expertise?

[Andad]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Wow, that is excellent timekeeping!

My DJ41 is within +/- 1 s/d if I wear it every day Paul just like this SD43.

It just doesn’t have much precision after 50 hours if not worn so why does it have a 72 hour PR?

And as has been said in previous posts the precision issues may not be noticed by some owners and could take some time to manifest.

If I take it off on Friday evening (might not be fully wound) and pick it up on Monday morning it is about 15 seconds slow?

This DJ has hardly been worn and I am not confident in its accuracy looking forward.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by Dirt

I can change just as I please if and as required.
I can site many examples that come to mind if you'd like me to share.
It all comes down to relevance.

I'll have you know that I have always been open to change even though it has been more challenging for me than some other people. In fact I have changed so much over this life that I have totally reversed direction. Sometimes after going in a full circle

Now that we've resolved the issue of change and my capacity for it. Also that I will be the sole arbiter of what I deem relevant to change based upon my own priorities.

May I ask, are you having a bit of a dig directly at my inteligence based upon your assessment of my capacity to embrace change?
I ask this because my Asbergers is clouding my judgement.
As we are going off topic again.
To this, perhaps you may enjoy taking the time to send me a PM?

Dirt, I really hate to do it, but I have to hand it to you, well done sir! I got a headache after about an hour of trying to figure that out. I looked at it in a mirror, standing on my head, with my eyes crossed etc. I gess I is not that intellligeante.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by Andad

My DJ41 is within +/- 1 s/d if I wear it every day Paul just like this SD43.

I just doesn’t have much precision after 50 hours if not worn so why does it have a 72 hour PR?

And as has been said in previous posts the precision issues may not be noticed by some owners and could take some time to manifest.

Good point Eddie and great question about the 70 hour, if it loses accuracy after 50 why bother to extend it from the 48 ish the 3185 had? In one of the posted articles, the watchmaker suggested that Rolex’s desire to extend it to the current 70 hour energy storage is the cause of the problem with the 35. Interesting question is if there could be a permanent fix that resulted in a reduction to 48 hour power reserve(?)

[Andad]

Could they revert back to a heavier barrel and shorter thicker spring?

I don’t think the overall size changed?

Bas could tell us?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

I doubt he would be able ... I honestly don’t know ... I have no idea if ... I guess you are suggesting that Bas ... is lying ... I supposed he was ordered by ... Why, I have no idea but...

OMG Two simple questions result in a rainbow of I dont'know's and wild-west speculations

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by Andad

Could they revert back to a heavier barrel and shorter thicker spring?

I don’t think the overall size changed?

Bas could tell me?

I have no idea but that is a very interesting question! Maybe that will be the final solution(?). I know I would much rather have a solid performing movement with 48 hour power reserve then one with problems and 70.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by saxo3

How do you know? Has he ever shared one original Rolex tech document about movements with you?


How do you know? It's an Internet forum and for approx. 99 % of the people you have no idea who they are, not even where they are living.

Bas has been verified by the forum and proven his position multiple times. Feel free to do the same if you want to be considered at this level.


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[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by saxo3

OMG Two simple questions result in a rainbow of I dont'know's and wild-west speculations

That is very good, your sentence editing skills are excellent. Just like your thread you only read and see what you want, disregard everything else.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by amanbra

Bas has been verified by the forum and proven his position multiple times. Feel free to do the same if you want to be considered at this level.


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Exactly

[peterskinner]

How many years is this subject going to run? With, literally, millions of these movements being manufactured, there will always be some minor issues, it’s inevitable . The vast majority of owners will be perfectly happy, but on the forums, something stirs...
The issue is probably not the new movement but changed expectations, driven by unwise Rolex marketing. You cannot guarantee extreme precision from mechanical watches in real world conditions. Why not relax and live with reality.
Some things really don’t matter.......