New here, I need help ! 14060 or seiko?

[wzz]

I think many Rolex collectors, and dealers also keep an older Seiko diving watch around. I do and I love it. I wear it on a NATO strap and it looks great. You can procure a used version of the 200m for less than $200 dollars on eBay.


However, I love the 2 line simplicity of the 14060m. I like it more than the newer COSC no-date sub.


Having said all of that, come Thursday when I go rehab my back in a swimming pool, I will be wearing my Seiko 200m. That night for dinner out, I will be wearing my Rolex 5513 (same look as the 14060m only older).


My $.02


Congrats on Law School!

[slcbbrown]

No question, for me. Buy a used Sub and make sure it has been recently serviced (or budget the service and have it done). A 20 year old Sub (1990-ish) will last you for another 30 years, plus. The Sub is an understated watch-- there are a lot of large stainless watches in the world and most people don't recognize the Rolex versions.

Whether you buy new or used, you'll never need another watch, if you buy a Sub. I can't say that for Seiko. Can you imagine looking back in 10 or 15 years and saying, "I wish I'd got the Seiko"?

[le_baroudeur]

Ok, I jumped this evening to the AD's office.. I tryed a new ceramic gold-steel sub, but I'm afraid about those ceramic bezels.. I don't want to "baby" this watch too much because of it. Those subs are incredible however !!! The bezel is smooooth, clic clic clic, a joy !

So my choice will be:

- new 14060m
OR
- used 16600

The second one seems to be quite more expensive, no?
The AD told me that I had rather take it now, or give them 20% of the price () to be sure that the 14060m will be available for me in january... ( I finish my studies in january ) ; but I don't want to do anything before the results.. so I think that I will let time flow, and make slowly my decision between 16600 and 14060.. If the 14060m can't be found anymore in january, so I will buy a used one.. what do you think?

Thank you evreyone for your advice, seiko is way way behind those .. for sure.

Best regards

Xavier

[Route 66]

To me it's like a a choice between a Ford and a Ferrari...which is a no brainer.

[Mr. Greene]

The Sub would be the better investment in the long run

[Dan2010]

Get the 14060M NOW. Don't wait. Don't think anymore. As Yoda says, there is no try, only do or do not. Now go and DO!

[Rolesor]

Subby hands down!!

[slevin kelevra]

The seiko is a pretty cool watch but if money was no option then its a no brainer, THE ROLEX!

Im not sure how the seiko can be a better thought out divers watch than the Rolex Submariner??

Thats just my opinion!

[Bullyterrier]

Xavier,
I see you are not far from me, I am around 80km south west.

[pz93c]

2 Seiko's.

[le_baroudeur]

80km south west? No, you are not very far! If you come to Rennes, tell me !

I will buy next january, after my graduation, a 14060m ... Baselworld is in march, so I think that there will be no availability problems 2 months before... They can't stop deliveries even if they change the bezel, case, etc.. two months later.

Next operation: saving money

[Dr. Robert]

both great watches....personally I find the sub more comfy to wear over mm300

[mpkRolex]

Originally Posted by le_baroudeur

Hello!
I'm a french 27 y/o student, finishing my law studies, and i want to buy a long-lasting watch for next winter, if I become graduated... That's why I came here to request advice. I want to live for travel, adventure, mud, seawater and others, so a diving watch come to mind. I want it to last more than 30 years, because a good watch worn in great moments becomes priceless.

I love well engineered machines, like nikon fm2 or toyota bj.. and after months of internet searching, I think that two watches come to mind:

Rolex submariner 14060m (the last without ceramic bezel) OR Seiko marinemaster 300 sbdx001.. I've got a 6,3" wrist.

The two are very good products:

seiko: + price / japan=perfection / smooth curves / excellent lume
- servicing 30 years beyond? / lack of "finesse", too thick.. / 316l= bad after 30years of diving..

rolex: + beauty / long time servicing? / 904l= no rust
- price / awful lume / "look at me i'm rich" style / no date


HELP ME! I don't manage to make my choice...

Best regards

Xavier

Welcome to the forum!!

For 30 years? Are you sure? If you are that sure its got to be Rolex Sub.

But hey you are on the rolex forum. What else do you expect as an answer here

[rfknauss]

Xavier, I would always choose a Rolex over a Seiko .... and welcome to TRF!

[Maxseven]

Very interesting, as I am considering the SBDX001 as well, as I recognize it to be an extremely well built watch, and very nice looking.

Also, I am considering the 600M, Spring Drive, SBDB001, with its rip-saw bezel -- so nice!

Both of the Seiko products, along with anything from the Grand Seiko line, are superior choices, especially since they are only (?) available in Japan.

Being a Rolex owner already, I suppose it is an easier choice for me.

Submariner (Rolex) first, Seiko second.

[multimedia]

Originally Posted by Maxseven

Very interesting, as I am considering the SBDX001 as well, as I recognize it to be an extremely well built watch, and very nice looking.

Also, I am considering the 600M, Spring Drive, SBDB001, with its rip-saw bezel -- so nice!

Both of the Seiko products, along with anything from the Grand Seiko line, are superior choices, especially since they are only (?) available in Japan.

Being a Rolex owner already, I suppose it is an easier choice for me.

Submariner (Rolex) first, Seiko second.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

This is after all a Rolex forum, so of course the answers will be biased towards Rolex - pretty obvious, right?

I already have a GTM IIc and are waiting for 2 new Seiko's to arrive in the mail. My next watch will probably be either the SBBN017, SBDX001 or the SBDX011

If you look at it as an investment, sure the Rolex will probably be the better choice. But on the other hand, if you're looking for most bang for your bucks, then I would choose the Seiko any day of the week - I really think one needs to experience this watch up front to be able to understand its quality. (and yeah, the 14060 is one of my favorite watches of all time, but that's a different story)

Here's a nice review/comparison between the SBDX001 and the 16610LV over @ watchuseek.com
Comparative Review: Seiko SBDX001 Marinemaster vs Rolex 16610LV

And here's another lengthy and very well written report form the same forum;
Seiko SBDX001 Marine Master

Cheers,
Joe

[sturgeon123456]

Moi aussi recommander le Rolex parce que l'histoire est le qualite.

[tulsaokusa]

The Sub. The classic. The icon. THE watch.

[Dr. Robert]

Xavier...did you get a watch? Which one????
I am a big Seiko fan...most of my collection is Rolex/Tudor & Seiko.
I have seen the MM300, they're rare here in the USA, it's a well finished watch, the movement is Grand Seiko related...very sharp & there are guys in the USA that can service them.
The MM300 is a beautiful watch, but I prefer the Rolex sub as it fits my wrist better....which is
somewhere around the 6 3/4" +/-.
The MM300 has a longer case length.

[le_baroudeur]

Originally Posted by Dr. Robert

Xavier...did you get a watch? Which one????
I am a big Seiko fan...most of my collection is Rolex/Tudor & Seiko.
I have seen the MM300, they're rare here in the USA, it's a well finished watch, the movement is Grand Seiko related...very sharp & there are guys in the USA that can service them.
Te MM300 is a beautiful watch, but I prefer the Rolex sub as it fits my wrist better....which is
somewhere around the 6 3/4" +/-.
The MM300 has a longer case length.

Hello,

I haven't bought it yet, but I will buy a 14060m in next january. why? Best movement, classic, and efficient service system for the next 30years... Seiko diver products are a bit "big" for me and my 6,3" wrist.. I will be happy for the first 3 months, but then... I will buy a rolex instead ;)

[erling]

Since you are posting on a biased Rolex forum, the answer you get is obvious:
Rolex of course. Try also posting the same question on a Seiko forum, and the answer would be........
Anyway, welcome to the forum.

[Shade]

Get the submariner... it's a watch you'll love for a lifetime. Many has and still do.

[corvette00]

If you have the funds buy the Sub (with date), it will still look great in 30 years. I experience a great amount of pride when I wear my Rolex. The only problem with the Rolex is you will want another after you graduate.

[Paracentesis]

Have you considered the Blancpain fifty fathoms?

Just a thought, mon ami.

[dkpw]

Xavier,

Good choice and I think you've made the right decision. 13 years ago I made the wrong decision and bought a TAG Sub look a like. I could have afforded the real McCoy at the time but my nerve failed me, spending "that amount of money on a watch."

"That amount of money" was about half what I ended up paying for my Sub 10 years later and the resale value is now more. I should have bought what I really wanted in the first place and had 10 additional years of Rolex ownership.

Well done, go for it and enjoy wearing a treasured possession. Just think what adventures you're going to have together.

Good luck!

[dysondiver]

buy a sub with date ,, swap crystal for a non cyclops , there you have it ,, a thin seadweller ,,,

[TempoKing]

In this forum with a Rolex you will be just another Rolex owner
With the Seiko you will "scream" originality... especially if it is one
of the velatura or salmonela collection ? I always mix these two.

[Watch Fan]

It' really up to you. You can't go wrong with either one. Try them both on and take the one you like the best.

[Chipmunk]

If you can afford it, get the Sub.

[nowzen]

Welcome to the ROLEX forum, guess I'd have to go with...