Could This Happen to TRF???

[Jan Davis]

Originally Posted by chicfarmer1

The problem with this line of reasoning is that it assumes that talking or writing about a brand, including its name, is protected against legally. That is false. I can write all day long about Frigidaire or Coke or Kleenex, and obviously Rolex, so long as I don't do so in ways that can be pursued legally for infringement or other ways to cause economic harm (defamation and so on). This is entirely separate from selling goods that are counterfeit. Speech, including published text, is not the same as hard goods, a very basic concept.

It would take an unusual set of circumstances for a brand to be able to bully a website out of business, more than chat about a brand in fairly normal context.

Rolex has made case in point on several web sites, weather it be a chat site or a site that sells and promotes fake Rolex items, again, I am saying that Rolex has counterfeiter problems and they have taken the extreme side of the defense here.

[chicfarmer1]

Extreme is understandable, and not unique. VERO, WIPO, all IP orgs. exist for just this issue, but it can't stomp on discussion per se that doesn't have injury associated with it.

[Mockingbird]

Originally Posted by Jan Davis

Rolex has made case in point on several web sites, weather it be a chat site or a site that sells and promotes fake Rolex items, again, I am saying that Rolex has counterfeiter problems and they have taken the extreme side of the defense here.

The question is where the line is drawn between "fake Rolex merchandise" and swag that's made in tribute and doesn't actually represent anything and isn't sold.

[Rolex116520]

Originally Posted by Jan Davis

Rolex has made case in point on several web sites, weather it be a chat site or a site that sells and promotes fake Rolex items, again, I am saying that Rolex has counterfeiter problems and they have taken the extreme side of the defense here.

Rolex S.A. and especially RUSA can request the courts to implement the laws as much as they want . RUSA has US TM laws on their side and controls the import of Rolex goods onto US soil .
However the counterfeiting activity within the US is negligible compared to the counterfeiting giant PRC where they have no legal foothold as such . They are fighting a loosing battle if you ask me .

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Mockingbird

Ha. At least he's a decent photographer.

Well today with the modern digital camera most of the photography is done by the camera today its almost fool proof with things like photoshop etc.

[Richard.]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well today with the modern digital camera most of the photography is done by the camera today its almost fool proof with things like photoshop etc.

If only that were true: then we'd all be as good as Jocke!

[Jocke]

Originally Posted by Jan Davis

Rolex has a full time staff of attorneys and they are hell bent on keeping the Rolex name to themselves. They have the money and resources to protect the Rolex name at all cost. This probably came about with all of the fake Rolex watches, accessories, etc, that are being produced in the world, causing Rolex to close ranks on any use of the Rolex name. This affects everyone who is using the Rolex name, some use it for theft and some use it for a web site. It only takes some evil act to destroy what others are doing right.
If you look at the newer dealer displays they have "property of Rolex" on the item so it cannot be sold, however they are sold and if Rolex wants it back they will get it back even if the new owner has removed the tag.
Submariner, DateJust, Explorer, Sea Dweller, Air King, etc are all name brands of Rolex, they are also protected from being copied. Back in the 1970's and before Rolex never had a problem of being copied so you will not see much Rolex items with some sort of Rolex hallmark. All the newer stuff has the Rolex hallmark to show it is real and if they do not want it sold they will have their name on it as being the owner.
I am really baffled by people who are upset at Rolex keeping a vice on their name, it is a reality that they own it so they are protecting it, keeping counterfeiters from using it. Look it at this way, how would you like someone to steal you identity and use it around the world making money off of you? The law is black and white, and not gray, if Rolex takes some business to court for fake Rolex stuff, you can bet they have a solid case against the business and they will win at any cost.
Case in point, a business person was making fake China Rolex watches, Rolex went after them, impounding millions of dollars in fake watch parts, watches, they had working capitol, personal property. All of that was impounded, the fake stuff destroyed, the money, property was claimed to be used for the illegal enterprise, and the business owners were put in prison for a decade. Now if that was your identity theft would you be pleased with the results.

Thanks for the lesson Dave.

Close to 400 posts must be a personal record?

[Jocke]

Originally Posted by padi56

Well today with the modern digital camera most of the photography is done by the camera today its almost fool proof with things like photoshop etc.

Someone have to put in the battery.

[Welshwatchman]

Originally Posted by Jan Davis

Rolex has a full time staff of attorneys and they are hell bent on keeping the Rolex name to themselves. They have the money and resources to protect the Rolex name at all cost. This probably came about with all of the fake Rolex watches, accessories, etc, that are being produced in the world, causing Rolex to close ranks on any use of the Rolex name. This affects everyone who is using the Rolex name, some use it for theft and some use it for a web site. It only takes some evil act to destroy what others are doing right.
If you look at the newer dealer displays they have "property of Rolex" on the item so it cannot be sold, however they are sold and if Rolex wants it back they will get it back even if the new owner has removed the tag.
Submariner, DateJust, Explorer, Sea Dweller, Air King, etc are all name brands of Rolex, they are also protected from being copied. Back in the 1970's and before Rolex never had a problem of being copied so you will not see much Rolex items with some sort of Rolex hallmark. All the newer stuff has the Rolex hallmark to show it is real and if they do not want it sold they will have their name on it as being the owner.
I am really baffled by people who are upset at Rolex keeping a vice on their name, it is a reality that they own it so they are protecting it, keeping counterfeiters from using it. Look it at this way, how would you like someone to steal you identity and use it around the world making money off of you? The law is black and white, and not gray, if Rolex takes some business to court for fake Rolex stuff, you can bet they have a solid case against the business and they will win at any cost.
Case in point, a business person was making fake China Rolex watches, Rolex went after them, impounding millions of dollars in fake watch parts, watches, they had working capitol, personal property. All of that was impounded, the fake stuff destroyed, the money, property was claimed to be used for the illegal enterprise, and the business owners were put in prison for a decade. Now if that was your identity theft would you be pleased with the results.

The mask is slipping a little "Jan".

[sleddog]

Originally Posted by Jan Davis

Rolex has a full time staff of attorneys and they are hell bent on keeping the Rolex name to themselves. They have the money and resources to protect the Rolex name at all cost. This probably came about with all of the fake Rolex watches, accessories, etc, that are being produced in the world, causing Rolex to close ranks on any use of the Rolex name. This affects everyone who is using the Rolex name, some use it for theft and some use it for a web site. It only takes some evil act to destroy what others are doing right.
If you look at the newer dealer displays they have "property of Rolex" on the item so it cannot be sold, however they are sold and if Rolex wants it back they will get it back even if the new owner has removed the tag.
Submariner, DateJust, Explorer, Sea Dweller, Air King, etc are all name brands of Rolex, they are also protected from being copied. Back in the 1970's and before Rolex never had a problem of being copied so you will not see much Rolex items with some sort of Rolex hallmark. All the newer stuff has the Rolex hallmark to show it is real and if they do not want it sold they will have their name on it as being the owner.
I am really baffled by people who are upset at Rolex keeping a vice on their name, it is a reality that they own it so they are protecting it, keeping counterfeiters from using it. Look it at this way, how would you like someone to steal you identity and use it around the world making money off of you? The law is black and white, and not gray, if Rolex takes some business to court for fake Rolex stuff, you can bet they have a solid case against the business and they will win at any cost.
Case in point, a business person was making fake China Rolex watches, Rolex went after them, impounding millions of dollars in fake watch parts, watches, they had working capitol, personal property. All of that was impounded, the fake stuff destroyed, the money, property was claimed to be used for the illegal enterprise, and the business owners were put in prison for a decade. Now if that was your identity theft would you be pleased with the results.

All this from someone who has been in direct contact with RUSA with a vendetta agenda!!
How is the weather in Hong Kong "Jan"??

[Jocke]

Originally Posted by sleddog

All this from someone who has been in direct contact with RUSA with a vendetta agenda!!
How is the weather in Hong Kong "Jan"??

The weather is safe over there, I've heard that is the trend in Hong Kong.

[Welshwatchman]

Originally Posted by sleddog

All this from someone who has been in direct contact with RUSA with a vendetta agenda!!
How is the weather in Hong Kong "Jan"??

We're getting close to cracking this puzzle, I'm sure.

It's just a matter of who wants to press the button ... and whether the new toolset will keep the rebounders from rebounding here.

[BarkMaster]

Where's my popcorn???

[kareemthedream33]

I'm lost

[Grumpy Badger]

Originally Posted by kareemthedream33

I'm lost

Me too but I'm guessing the mods are on the scent of a banned member using another name...?

Tally Ho, boys!

[Dan2010]

Hot dog, I think I'm going to like this......................

[Grumpy Badger]

I think the quarry may have gone to ground...

My popcorn's getting cold!

[Lol-x]

Oh we have an intruder.....?

[Welshwatchman]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Oh we have an intruder.....?

Not even a Pledge Intruder.

That would give too much information away.

[Grissom]

[Dan2010]

Honey...........can you get me a beer......

[rfknauss]

Originally Posted by Dan2010

Honey...........can you get me a beer......

Bring one for me too!

[Lol-x]

Someone needs much stronger medication.....either that or a straight jacket and four padded walls

[Lol-x]

Rats are quick to scurry into their holes when the bait is set.......

[marcinthemiddle]

Originally Posted by Jan Davis

Rolex has made case in point on several web sites, weather it be a chat site or a site that sells and promotes fake Rolex items, again, I am saying that Rolex has counterfeiter problems and they have taken the extreme side of the defense here.

Hmmm...Very similar writing style to someone we know...

safetrends.jpg

[rsg]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Someone needs much stronger medication.....either that or a straight jacket and four padded walls

Oh man, I hope it's not who I think it is......

[Lol-x]

I can see the resemblance:

[marcinthemiddle]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

I can see the resemblance:

Steeeeeve! You crack me up!

[Welshwatchman]

There's something about those eyes.

[swatty]

Originally Posted by marcinthemiddle

Steeeeeve! You crack me up!

Beat me to it