Chances of a new SUBMARINER? (no date)

[SaddleSC]

Originally Posted by subtona

3)expensive and brittle bracelet.

What exactly is "brittle" about the solid link bracelet on the Sub C and all of the other new models? I understand that the Ceramic bezel and the lug holes are a matter of personal preference, but "brittle" is just about the last word I would use to describe the bracelet on my 116610.

[Grumpy Badger]

I can't speak for subtona but I think I know what he means...

To me, the stamped steel of the old clasp would be likely to 'give' a bit under extreme pressure. This might mean that it would bend and need repair but you wouldnt lose the watch. My worry with the new style would be that it couldn't bend so, while it may be stronger, when really pushed any failure would likely be catastrophic...

[Danand]

First and foremost Rolex is a business and since the 14060 doesn't sell well compared to the 116610 I think it is only a matter of time before it is replaced with a ceramic version. Exactly the same as subc but no date.
Sorry curmudgeons he world moves forward

[Dr. Robert]

Originally Posted by Danand

First and foremost Rolex is a business and since the 14060 doesn't sell well compared to the 116610 I think it is only a matter of time before it is replaced with a ceramic version. Exactly the same as subc but no date.
Sorry curmudgeons he world moves forward

Unfortunately "Danand" is right
I am happy I have my old Rolex/Tudor watches......bah humbug......my fellow curmudgeons...one more time....raise your watch wearing arm...shake, rattle & roll those old rattly bracelets w/ the tin foil clasps

[Danand]

Originally Posted by Dr. Robert

Unfortunately "Danand" is right
I am happy I have my old Rolex/Tudor watches......bah humbug......my fellow curmudgeons...one more time....raise your watch wearing arm...shake, rattle & roll those old rattly bracelets w/ the tin foil clasps

Of course Dr Robert the good news is that your rattly wonderful old watch will outlive all of us, so you need not worry about what happens to the new ones!

[rolexertion]

Chances are zero, nada, bupkis, rien, zilch, zip, square root of sweet bugger all. Not a snowball's chance in hell.

[al_bongo]

Originally Posted by Danand

First and foremost Rolex is a business and since the 14060 doesn't sell well compared to the 116610 I think it is only a matter of time before it is replaced with a ceramic version. Exactly the same as subc but no date.
Sorry curmudgeons he world moves forward

The sub doesn't sell well compared to the sub date because it doesn't have the date function! For most this will be the over riding distinction between the two models.

The 14060M is a classic with a great history. Updating it along the lines of the 11610 and all you've got is a cut down ceramic sub date rather than something with a bit of pedigree.

[The GMT Master]

Originally Posted by al_bongo

The sub doesn't sell well compared to the sub date because it doesn't have the date function! For most this will be the over riding distinction between the two models.

The 14060M is a classic with a great history. Updating it along the lines of the 11610 and all you've got is a cut down ceramic sub date rather than something with a bit of pedigree.

In my experience, the date isn't as much of a deal breaker as the bracelet. I know I keep going on about it, but I get it a lot - people pick it out because it looks nice, the price seems reasonable, but as soon as they put it on, that's it. At which point, they'll go for the pricier Sub C or look to another brand - quite often they'll go for a Planet Ocean or Seamaster Pro instead, because it feels nice. People have an image in their head of what a Rolex will feel like, and, in my opinion, the 14060M doesn't live up to that expectation for the vast majority. You can only really sell the watch to enthusiasts or people buying one as a gift these days - it's frustrating from a salesman's point of view. I know I could sell lots more if it just had a better bracelet - if anything, it would be a good thing to not give it the supercase and ceramic treatment, to keep it as a more affordable sports watch, keep it at the same kind of price as a Milgauss or Explorer. Just please, please, please give the poor watch a Glidelock clasp, Rolex!

[Dob]

Originally Posted by hunz

ie. 3187 movement, ceramic dial, most probably maxi case and even 42mm?

how about colour options.. like with blue, green inserts. would you be interested. and do you reckon it will happen?

The fact is, only those of us with a real appreciation for the history of the brand would likely continue to want the old-school model. As the line gets updated across the board (GMT, Sub Date, DJ, Exp, now Exp II....) the average customer is going to see the new ceramic bezel versions and compare them to the traditional and see it as a less desirable model. After all, why would someone want the old style bracelet, clasp, bezel, etc when compared to the new versions side by side in the display case? I think Rolex clearly understands who their average consumer is and what is most likely to appeal to that demographic, no matter what those of us who like old school may want. Just my two cents.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by The GMT Master

Fixed

oh thats just wrong.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by Grumpy Badger

I can't speak for subtona but I think I know what he means...

To me, the stamped steel of the old clasp would be likely to 'give' a bit under extreme pressure. This might mean that it would bend and need repair but you wouldnt lose the watch. My worry with the new style would be that it couldn't bend so, while it may be stronger, when really pushed any failure would likely be catastrophic...

x2 well said

[757doc001]

Originally Posted by mfer

I'm guessing they are using up parts. Once the 14060 parts are gone, so is the watch and you'll then havea 114060......aka nd subc

X2

X3, the GM of my AD said the same thing!

[Danand]

Originally Posted by al_bongo

The sub doesn't sell well compared to the sub date because it doesn't have the date function! For most this will be the over riding distinction between the two models.

The 14060M is a classic with a great history. Updating it along the lines of the 11610 and all you've got is a cut down ceramic sub date rather than something with a bit of pedigree.

So if you look at the various models of sub over the years ther have been a great many changes, such as hands, addition of crown guards, case shape, etc.
What makes the 14060 suddenly the be all and end all of subs? If there was a new sub based on subc it would still be part of that lineage, just once again a variation on the previous models.
I just don't get why so many people feel the new ones don't deserve to be a sub? It is ridiculous. Unless a watch is going to be like the speedmaster professional and have no changes over the years it is going to evolve.

[hunz]

I reckon Rolex just needs to add the glidelock clasp and non-hollow bracelet and we're there. maybe a newer movement, but don't touch the lug width, leave the holes, keep the general design as per 14060M. it just flows.

Oh yeah and bring back the vintage fonts, flat 4's, serif tips etc.. on the bezel and on the dial.

[gofore59]

The will build it until the run out of parts / movements then discontinue...

[xjeeunitx]

They are updating all of their line up. All that is left is the the Sub ND. It's going to happen...

Maxi dial, ceramic bezel, updated band with glidelock... it's just matter of when.

[xjeeunitx]

Originally Posted by Danand

So if you look at the various models of sub over the years ther have been a great many changes, such as hands, addition of crown guards, case shape, etc.
What makes the 14060 suddenly the be all and end all of subs? If there was a new sub based on subc it would still be part of that lineage, just once again a variation on the previous models.
I just don't get why so many people feel the new ones don't deserve to be a sub? It is ridiculous. Unless a watch is going to be like the speedmaster professional and have no changes over the years it is going to evolve.

I agree with you. It's because they are attached to their 16610s that they currently own. They still own it and will not accept the new one until they either sell their current 16610 for the 116610 or move onto something new. Only time will tell.

I've already put on my flame suit but I think what I'm saying has some truth to it...