Have you warmed up to the maxi case...

[Dan2010]

I owned one of the very first Sub Cs in South Carolina and loved it for 6 months. However, I couldn't get over the maxi case and I sold it. Bought another 14060M and a 16610 and had those for about 6 months. I then realized that the improvements on the Sub C were just too good to pass up on and now actually LIKE the new maxi case. Bought another one about 2 months ago and I think it's the best sport watch there is.

[jnkay]

No problems here.

[pokpok]

Originally Posted by Danand

You're going to get both responses on this one! I love mine-on my wrist I have no problem with the shape. In pics I don't think it looks so good.
Hopefully you'll like it-it is a great watch.
Cheers.

exactly how i felt. looks great on wrist, looks terrible in pictures.

Still prefer the old style case if you compare both in person.

[capote]

Curmudgeon checking in: No, I don't like it.

[speedo]

Originally Posted by learningtofly

+1 for that. The ceramic bezels look like plastic, and the cases are clunky. No offence intended, of course, and just one traditionalists opinion...

the ceramic bezel looks fantastic. shiny black in one moment, matte grayish in another. and it never looks plastic to me.

[Megalobyte]

I'll concede, the older Sub has a more graceful transition from lugs/case to bracelet, but the supercase with the wider lugs doesn't look horrible either, some might say it's a form follows function design choice, as the lugs are now stronger, beefier, and, can withstand more years of refinishing. If in fact the new design is stronger and will allow the case to last longer, I'm all for it.

Then you add the very scratch resistant ceramic bezel, which I love, the improved feel and precision of it, (ceramic bearings) the new hairspring, (which is good, even if you don't think it makes the movement better, if for no other reason it makes the movement, that much closer to 100% in house), and the vastly improved bracelet and its GLC, (does anybody actually prefer the older, lighter links with the stamped, not particularly inspiring clasp?) The original bracelet/clasp was adequate of course, the new one is quite a bit more than adequate, IMO. The maxi dial and new blue lume are more functional than the older versions, the C is superior in low light readability to the older Sub, you might not like the look, but functionally it's better. From a functional standpoint, more lume, (maxi dial), also brighter and longer lasting just can't be a bad thing. These are all notable, functional improvements, and if the Sub should be anything, it's functional. OK, so again, the lugs aren't as graceful, big deal. :)


The new case makes the watch wear bigger, which for me is very welcome, as I'm very large, (6'8") and always felt the older Subs too small on me. And, I never felt the older Sub to be flimsy, but when you hold them in your hand together, the C just looks and feels more solid and better made, every bit as tough, and more polished.

I'm willing to give up the slight aesthetic advantage of the older case design for all of these improvements. But, we're all entitled to our opinion. However, the statement above that the Sub-C looks ridiculous on the wrist, is, well, ridiculous.

PS. On the subject of whether the new Parachrom hairspring actually improves precision, all I can say is, my 3 week old Sub-C has not deviated from atomic time for 6.5 days now, not even a half second, i've had some accurate watches, this one seems remarkably accurate, new spring? I don't know, but, I'd like to believe Rolex put some thought into its design. :)

[HDHNTER]

I didn't think I would ever grow to appreciate the maxi-case but that opinion has changed with the Sub C.

I can understand why some prefer the look of the old vs. the new, I much prefer the look of my Pepsi to the GMT C's but the fit & feel argument is a bit weak to say the least. There is no comparison in terms of fit, the Glidelock clasp is a game-changer & not in the old Subs favor...end of story.

As for differences in feel, the old Sub always felt a little lacking in the quality department considering price, particularly the bracelet, clasp & lume. The Sub C on the other hand feels like a Rolex should, oozing of quality. I loved my old Sub but at no point have I come even remotely close to regretting the decision to flip it for the C.

[Paracentesis]

Originally Posted by capote

Curmudgeon checking in: No, I don't like it.

Fellow curmudgeon: nope, don't like it. Anti-stylish.

[buddy13]

Many thanks for all your replies guys !

[Grumpy Badger]

Originally Posted by buddy13

Many thanks for all your replies guys !

Have they helped or just confused you more?!

[Megalobyte]

Originally Posted by Paracentesis

Fellow curmudgeon: nope, don't like it. Anti-stylish.

Yes, but anti-style is the new style.

[esm]

Meh...

YES, 3 times

[Grumpy Badger]

Originally Posted by Megalobyte

Yes, but anti-style is the new style.

Yip... Damn kids today... Get a haircut... Shine your shoes... Join the army... Get of my lawn...!!!

[Paracentesis]

Originally Posted by Megalobyte

Yes, but anti-style is the new style.

LOL. Bricks are the new pebbles?

[yessir69]

I love mine. I've owned them all, and I think it is a step up from the others. And the bezel is unbelievable.

In a good way.

[Megalobyte]

Originally Posted by Grumpy Badger

Yip... Damn kids today... Get a haircut... Shine your shoes... Join the army... Get of my lawn...!!!

Wish I had enough hair left to get some cut...

And, I don't own, nor shine leather shoes, but, I've been known to take some Kiwi to a few handmade leather Pam straps, does that count, they get nice and shiny. You'd love it, they look old and worn when I'm done.

[buddy13]

Originally Posted by Grumpy Badger

Have they helped or just confused you more?!

I have really enjoyed reading through each and every one of them and have noticed how opisions differ notably...

I have no doubt in my mind that the 116610 is just very technically superior to a 16610..but the super case is the point which creates the most arguments (even in my mind)...

But to say it is ridiculous, is a bit over the top IMHO, it is still a nice watch for sure. I will get mine on Monday from USA. Will know by a few days if I warm up to the case shape ...

[petesjag]

LOVE the maxi case...love it very much...more then the older version....but ofcourse both are great!

[LostInTime]

Have you warmed up to the maxi case...

No. If I want a square watch I will buy a Monaco.

[psv]

In two words: Hell yes!!!

[clarencek]

No - i have not... but the upgrades are worth it. The only time the case bugs me is when I see the watch case and the bracelet clasp in the same view. Just looks disproportionate. Otherwise it doesn't bother me.

[slcbbrown]

Not me.

[DCgator]

I love the maxi dial on my 16610LV, and I also love the maxi case on my GMT IIc! Didn't need warm up time, I like the new designs and the new looks.

[The GMT Master]

I love the muscular stance of the maxi-case - I think it gives it a great wrist presence. It makes it stand out from the rest of the crowd too, which is always a plus in my book.

[Puffy]

nah it looks wrong... too square and blocky. like it's been spat out by a machine. friday afternoon work. much prefer what we see on the upgraded Exp II and also the DSSD...

[J.Alan]

I looked at new Sub C and had a chance to buy a BNIB 11613. After much deliberation, I picked the older 11613 because it didn't look as clunky on my smaller size wrist and I much preferred the more vibrant blue color compared to the more laid back color on the Sub C. Bracelet works fine for me, too.

J. Alan

[psikat]

I walked away the first time I saw the LV-C but eventually bought it because of the various new features.
It's currently firmly my favourite and has worn it daily from March. The super-case looks normal now and the maxi dial and hands look just right.

[Chipmunk]

I like the maxi case on my GMTIIc but not on the SubC.

[goldminer]

I was in the office of a well known pre-owned dealer in west London and there was a chap there who was in the process of selling his maxi-case Sub and buying an old Sub. He explained that he just could not come to terms with the shape and the ceramic bezel ... he left with a 16610 and a big grin.

Personally I quite like it as an addition but it would never replace my old style cases/

[Old Blue]

Originally Posted by megalobyte

i'll concede, the older sub has a more graceful transition from lugs/case to bracelet, but the supercase with the wider lugs doesn't look horrible either, some might say it's a form follows function design choice, as the lugs are now stronger, beefier, and, can withstand more years of refinishing. If in fact the new design is stronger and will allow the case to last longer, i'm all for it.

Then you add the very scratch resistant ceramic bezel, which i love, the improved feel and precision of it, (ceramic bearings) the new hairspring, (which is good, even if you don't think it makes the movement better, if for no other reason it makes the movement, that much closer to 100% in house), and the vastly improved bracelet and its glc, (does anybody actually prefer the older, lighter links with the stamped, not particularly inspiring clasp?) the original bracelet/clasp was adequate of course, the new one is quite a bit more than adequate, imo. The maxi dial and new blue lume are more functional than the older versions, the c is superior in low light readability to the older sub, you might not like the look, but functionally it's better. From a functional standpoint, more lume, (maxi dial), also brighter and longer lasting just can't be a bad thing. These are all notable, functional improvements, and if the sub should be anything, it's functional. Ok, so again, the lugs aren't as graceful, big deal. :)


the new case makes the watch wear bigger, which for me is very welcome, as i'm very large, (6'8") and always felt the older subs too small on me. And, i never felt the older sub to be flimsy, but when you hold them in your hand together, the c just looks and feels more solid and better made, every bit as tough, and more polished.

I'm willing to give up the slight aesthetic advantage of the older case design for all of these improvements. But, we're all entitled to our opinion. however, the statement above that the sub-c looks ridiculous on the wrist, is, well, ridiculous.

Ps. On the subject of whether the new parachrom hairspring actually improves precision, all i can say is, my 3 week old sub-c has not deviated from atomic time for 6.5 days now, not even a half second, i've had some accurate watches, this one seems remarkably accurate, new spring? I don't know, but, i'd like to believe rolex put some thought into its design. :)

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