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expy2 · 29 June 2011, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by springbar

I'm assuming your response was intended for expy2.

I think you are right, hence my above post. And I should have said, 'It doesn't take much for the SIXTY MINUTE MARKER to be slightly off'...doh.

subtona · 29 June 2011, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by rms

I have 2 Rolexes with the engraved rehaut. I didn't know any of the text was supposed to line-up with anything and honestly it never occurred to me to look.

Besides, I'm way to busy trying to get the minute hand to line up exactly with the twelve when the second hand goes by as well as trying to get the triangle on my subs to line up exactly at 12 o'clock to bother with something so silly as looking to see if the rehaut is lined-up properly.

the text isn't supposed to line up.... but the crown in the rehaut should line up with the 12 oclock position... imho. anything esle would not sit well with me.

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Originally Posted by moviefreak

I thought if they do not line up there is no fix.... since the engraving is also part of the case... so no way to line them up... but I can be wrong..

x2

the serial number is a part of rehaut so its permanent.

how about when their quality control misses on the lugholes and the bracelet sits higher on one side

bondtoys · 29 June 2011, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

Dials are usual held in place by what they call the dial feet that fit into holes on the movement plate which all Rolex have.And will only fit one way and when fitted will not move, as they are secured by dial feet screws that normally feature an eccentric collar.As for the dial well its round and have markers painted like the baton minute hour markers and it only fits where ever the dial feet are on the main movement plate..

The dial is fixed on the movement, yes - but the movement can be slightly out of place - especially after a service.

The movement is being held in the body, but before fixing it, it has some space to turn a bit into both directions (clockwise or anticlockwise) against the body.

bondtoys · 29 June 2011, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by subtona

how about when their quality control misses on the lugholes and the bracelet sits higher on one side

no big deal, catalogue pics are so overhyped....

rr-nyc · 29 June 2011, 02:38 AM

The crown on my daytona is centered but it wouldn't bother me so much if it didn't because I hardly see it. Now the crown on the stem is another story... Mine sits at the 4 oclock hour.

I would expect better QA from a company like Rolex but I guess the production numbers are more important.

malnik · 29 June 2011, 02:50 AM

Mine rehaut lines up right on the spot. R is at 9 and crown at 12. It would really bother me if they didn't line up.

Megalobyte · 29 June 2011, 02:59 AM

I agree that the more you pay, the more you expect. After all, if a $1000 watch can be close to perfect it seems like the other $7000+ you pay for a Rolex should in part be for attention to detail and high quality control.

That being said, no watch is flawless if you look closely enough, in function or cosmetics. Some minor flaws are ok with me, some flaws aren't, we all have paid for the right to decide for ourselves what they are. Oddly the rehaut engraving being off wouldn't bug me much, the bezel being off would, as would dust under the crystal, if a $200 watch can be dust free I do expect the same from my $8k Sub. We're all different and value things differently. Some people wouldn't care if their Rolex suffered from multiple flaws, some would, neither is wrong. But I will say if you spend $8,000 on a simple SS diver, you've paid for the expectation of very high quality and attention to detail, which I think most Rolex buyers do get.

Accuracy is important to me, I can live with -4/+6, but if it's more like +/-1, that makes me happy. :)

padi56 · 29 June 2011, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bondtoys.de

The dial is fixed on the movement, yes - but the movement can be slightly out of place - especially after a service.

The movement is being held in the body, but before fixing it, it has some space to turn a bit into both directions (clockwise or anticlockwise) against the body.

We are talking about a fraction of a mm either way,I wish that Rolex never started the rehaut branding stuff. And that they never put the Rolex emblem on the crown, then everyones would line up somewhere.Some are talking about flaws but a flaw is a imperfection, defect, or blemish.All it is in the case of the rehaut stuff, is perhaps when the movement was screwed down into the case it might be a fraction of a mm out.But when you think of the thousands of movements that get screwed in cases over 12 months. Its very minor and hardly a flaw as the watch will still function the same whether its got Tom Dick or Harry around the rehaut..

mairj23 · 29 June 2011, 03:49 AM

malnik- My watch lines up perfectly at 9:00 but the crown is a hair and a half off at 12:00... what does that mean? The rehaut was engraved incorrectly maybe? Anyway it really doesnt bother me- unless I look real closely it looks like it does line up its so close.

bondtoys · 29 June 2011, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

......,I wish that Rolex never started the rehaut branding stuff..

with THAT, I can totally agree!

Chipmunk · 29 June 2011, 04:00 AM

Me, I like the rehaut branding.

RJC · 29 June 2011, 04:11 AM

Interesting thread.

The coronet is synchronised perfectly with the 12 on both my Sub C and Daytona.

ElPrimero · 29 June 2011, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

Its very minor and hardly a flaw as the watch will still function the same whether its got Tom Dick or Harry around the rehaut..

It's not about whether the watch will still 'function' correctly.

The money I spend on a new Rolex, I want it absolutely perfect, not with ANY flaw, however minor!

If you are happy doing the typical Brit thing of 'ohhh it doesn't matter, I'll make do' that's up to you, but please don't criticise those of us who expect a high standard of finish and quality control.

Time2time · 29 June 2011, 04:55 AM

I too didn't know it was supposed to line up.

But, my "R" and crown lines up perfectly. If it didn't it wouldn't bother me as I wouldn't have noticed it anyway had I not read this thread .

rkim11 · 29 June 2011, 05:41 AM

what JJ would've said...

Annan · 29 June 2011, 03:30 PM

Everything on my Datejust lines up perfectly in my opinion. Have to admit however, I had not even noticed the crown at 12:00 until I saw this thread.

Runnin' Rebel · 29 June 2011, 06:53 PM

I got bad OCD and am very superstitious, I ain't even goin look at this stuff...

Damn..

Runnin' Rebel · 29 June 2011, 06:58 PM

Mine is good to go

Tools · 30 June 2011, 03:05 AM

As evidenced by this thread, the only reason that people think that the crown should line up with anything.....

- Let me repeat that.......... The ONLY reason that people think that the crown should line up with anything..

. ........... is because they read it on the Internet...

Two ideas are false...

-One, that a Rolex is expensive and therefore should be perfect... Try looking at almost any top-end watch brand... a Rolex is a bargain and is mass produced by robots..

-Two, that a painted disc from one factory, that is screwed on top of a movement from another factory, will always match up to a machined case from another factory when all three are mated up; and there is no tolerance allowed..

I suppose that next we will be inserting feeler-gauges between the links to ensure that every link has the exact same spacing between them......

indeuce · 30 June 2011, 03:19 AM

For what it's worth, I just checked my 14060M and my Oyster Perpetual and both are lined up fine. It wouldn't bother me if they weren't lined up; I just care about accuracy in the end.

T-Rip · 30 June 2011, 03:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

As evidenced by this thread, the only reason that people think that the crown should line up with anything.....

- Let me repeat that.......... The ONLY reason that people think that the crown should line up with anything..

. ........... is because they read it on the Internet...

Two ideas are false...

-One, that a Rolex is expensive and therefore should be perfect... Try looking at almost any top-end watch brand... a Rolex is a bargain and is mass produced by robots..

-Two, that a painted disc from one factory, that is screwed on top of a movement from another factory, will always match up to a machined case from another factory when all three are mated up; and there is no tolerance allowed..

I suppose that next we will be inserting feeler-gauges between the links to ensure that every link has the exact same spacing between them......

IDK...When you pay $8,000+ for a basic Sub it should be perfect. If its supposed to line up then it should no exceptions.

If you buy a $50.00 timex that has off set printing then who cares. But when Rolex markets itself as the "pursuit of perfection" the small details count. If QC missed it shame on them. It should be fixed.
For the amount of money that is spent to purchase a Rolex it should be perfect. IMO

padi56 · 30 June 2011, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

As evidenced by this thread, the only reason that people think that the crown should line up with anything.....

- Let me repeat that.......... The ONLY reason that people think that the crown should line up with anything..

. ........... is because they read it on the Internet...

Two ideas are false...

-One, that a Rolex is expensive and therefore should be perfect... Try looking at almost any top-end watch brand... a Rolex is a bargain and is mass produced by robots..

-Two, that a painted disc from one factory, that is screwed on top of a movement from another factory, will always match up to a machined case from another factory when all three are mated up; and there is no tolerance allowed..

I suppose that next we will be inserting feeler-gauges between the links to ensure that every link has the exact same spacing between them......

Have to agree Larry you can try and educate some, but today with loupe mania, don't think this obsession to line everything up will ever end, perhaps they should have the hands fixed at 11 minutes past 10 to..

gazp · 30 June 2011, 03:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

As evidenced by this thread, the only reason that people think that the crown should line up with anything.....

- Let me repeat that.......... The ONLY reason that people think that the crown should line up with anything..

. ........... is because they read it on the Internet...

Two ideas are false...

-One, that a Rolex is expensive and therefore should be perfect... Try looking at almost any top-end watch brand... a Rolex is a bargain and is mass produced by robots..

-Two, that a painted disc from one factory, that is screwed on top of a movement from another factory, will always match up to a machined case from another factory when all three are mated up; and there is no tolerance allowed..

I suppose that next we will be inserting feeler-gauges between the links to ensure that every link has the exact same spacing between them......

Ive just measured my links with a feeler guage and one link is 20000th of a mm out , do you guys think I should send it back under warranty

T-Rip · 30 June 2011, 03:59 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

Have to agree Larry you can try and educate some, but today with loupe mania, don't think this obsession to line everything up will ever end, perhaps they should have the hands fixed at 11 minutes past 10 to..

How far can the "exceptions" go. A bad cyclops?..the ceramic bezil having faults?..Im just saying that when you spend that kind of bread on a watch the things that are fixable/adjustable should be perfect. A small scratch on the solid link that you cant see without a loop..no problem

Go buy a BMW and have the hood insignia be crooked and call it an "acceptable" error.....

Route 66 · 30 June 2011, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

...I suppose that next we will be inserting feeler-gauges between the links to ensure that every link has the exact same spacing between them......

I hope some people don't take this as a suggestion.

T-Rip · 30 June 2011, 04:47 AM

The list of "what if" can go on forever..If there is something that is fixable or something that QC should have seen then why allow the mistake?..A visible variant should not be "ok" if all it would take is a small adjustment to correct it...

rms · 30 June 2011, 08:32 AM

I still have not looked, and still will not bother to look to see if the crown on my engraved rehauts line up with anything.

I will not look to see if my minute hand is exactly lined up with the 12 when the second hand passes by.

I will not obcess that the triange does not perfectly line up with the 12 on my subs.

I will not freak out about every little scratch I get on my watches.

I will not worry about the investment value of my watches.

I will enjoy all my watches every time I wear them for the rest of my life.

Megalobyte · 30 June 2011, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rms

I still have not looked, and still will not bother to look to see if the crown on my engraved rehauts line up with anything.

I will not look to see if my minute hand is exactly lined up with the 12 when the second hand passes by.

I will not obcess that the triange does not perfectly line up with the 12 on my subs.

I will not freak out about every little scratch I get on my watches.

I will not worry about the investment value of my watches.

I will enjoy all my watches every time I wear them for the rest of my life.

Go away, you're way too healthy.

T-Rip · 30 June 2011, 09:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rms

I still have not looked, and still will not bother to look to see if the crown on my engraved rehauts line up with anything.

I will not look to see if my minute hand is exactly lined up with the 12 when the second hand passes by.

I will not obcess that the triange does not perfectly line up with the 12 on my subs.

I will not freak out about every little scratch I get on my watches.

I will not worry about the investment value of my watches.

I will enjoy all my watches every time I wear them for the rest of my life.

Why not?? You should..

Speed · 30 June 2011, 10:44 AM

Lining up the Rolex logo on the crown is ridonkulous. Really. The crown eventually shifts over time so the logo sits differently.

The Rehaut engraving OTH is permanent.

29 June 2011, 04:00 AM	#41
Chipmunk "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Alvin Location: So Cal Watch: ROLEXES Posts: 5,390	Me, I like the rehaut branding. __________________ "A thing of beauty is a joy forever"............John Keats

29 June 2011, 04:11 AM	#42
RJC "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Cheshire, UK Watch: Sea-Dweller Posts: 1,125	Interesting thread. The coronet is synchronised perfectly with the 12 on both my Sub C and Daytona. __________________ Current - DSJC 136660 - Sea-Dweller 126600

29 June 2011, 05:41 AM	#45
rkim11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Baltimore Watch: 16610LV Posts: 311	Wonder... what JJ would've said...

29 June 2011, 06:53 PM	#47
Runnin' Rebel "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Mark Location: 🤔 Posts: 8,424	I got bad OCD and am very superstitious, I ain't even goin look at this stuff... Damn.. __________________ ♛

29 June 2011, 06:58 PM	#48
Runnin' Rebel "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Mark Location: 🤔 Posts: 8,424	Mine is good to go __________________ ♛

29 June 2011, 02:38 AM	#35
rr-nyc Liar & Ratbag Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Renato Location: NYC / Miami Beach Watch: Rolex Daytona Posts: 5,344	The crown on my daytona is centered but it wouldn't bother me so much if it didn't because I hardly see it. Now the crown on the stem is another story... Mine sits at the 4 oclock hour. I would expect better QA from a company like Rolex but I guess the production numbers are more important.

29 June 2011, 02:50 AM	#36
malnik "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Los Angeles Watch: Sub-Date-C Posts: 240	Mine rehaut lines up right on the spot. R is at 9 and crown at 12. It would really bother me if they didn't line up.

29 June 2011, 02:59 AM	#37
Megalobyte "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Real Name: Ari Location: Florida Watch: ...me go broke Posts: 2,428	I agree that the more you pay, the more you expect. After all, if a $1000 watch can be close to perfect it seems like the other $7000+ you pay for a Rolex should in part be for attention to detail and high quality control. That being said, no watch is flawless if you look closely enough, in function or cosmetics. Some minor flaws are ok with me, some flaws aren't, we all have paid for the right to decide for ourselves what they are. Oddly the rehaut engraving being off wouldn't bug me much, the bezel being off would, as would dust under the crystal, if a $200 watch can be dust free I do expect the same from my $8k Sub. We're all different and value things differently. Some people wouldn't care if their Rolex suffered from multiple flaws, some would, neither is wrong. But I will say if you spend $8,000 on a simple SS diver, you've paid for the expectation of very high quality and attention to detail, which I think most Rolex buyers do get. Accuracy is important to me, I can live with -4/+6, but if it's more like +/-1, that makes me happy. :)

29 June 2011, 03:49 AM	#39
mairj23 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Maryand, USA Posts: 6	malnik- My watch lines up perfectly at 9:00 but the crown is a hair and a half off at 12:00... what does that mean? The rehaut was engraved incorrectly maybe? Anyway it really doesnt bother me- unless I look real closely it looks like it does line up its so close.

29 June 2011, 04:55 AM	#44
Time2time Banned Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: U.K Watch: Milgauss GV, Sub-C Posts: 2,178	I too didn't know it was supposed to line up. But, my "R" and crown lines up perfectly. If it didn't it wouldn't bother me as I wouldn't have noticed it anyway had I not read this thread .

29 June 2011, 03:30 PM	#46
Annan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Ron Location: Arizona, USA Watch: 116233 Posts: 3,180	Everything on my Datejust lines up perfectly in my opinion. Have to admit however, I had not even noticed the crown at 12:00 until I saw this thread.

30 June 2011, 03:05 AM	#49
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	As evidenced by this thread, the only reason that people think that the crown should line up with anything..... - Let me repeat that.......... The ONLY reason that people think that the crown should line up with anything.. . ........... is because they read it on the Internet... Two ideas are false... -One, that a Rolex is expensive and therefore should be perfect... Try looking at almost any top-end watch brand... a Rolex is a bargain and is mass produced by robots.. -Two, that a painted disc from one factory, that is screwed on top of a movement from another factory, will always match up to a machined case from another factory when all three are mated up; and there is no tolerance allowed.. I suppose that next we will be inserting feeler-gauges between the links to ensure that every link has the exact same spacing between them...... __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

30 June 2011, 03:19 AM	#50
indeuce "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: SF Bay Area, Ca. Posts: 127	For what it's worth, I just checked my 14060M and my Oyster Perpetual and both are lined up fine. It wouldn't bother me if they weren't lined up; I just care about accuracy in the end.

30 June 2011, 04:47 AM	#56
T-Rip "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Tom Location: Victorville CA Watch: Rolex DSSD 116660 Posts: 3,189	The list of "what if" can go on forever..If there is something that is fixable or something that QC should have seen then why allow the mistake?..A visible variant should not be "ok" if all it would take is a small adjustment to correct it... __________________ T-Rip Formally known as Haydendillon Rolex: DSSD 116660, 16622 PLATTY

30 June 2011, 08:32 AM	#57
rms "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Richard Location: Europe Watch: The one I have on Posts: 273	I still have not looked, and still will not bother to look to see if the crown on my engraved rehauts line up with anything. I will not look to see if my minute hand is exactly lined up with the 12 when the second hand passes by. I will not obcess that the triange does not perfectly line up with the 12 on my subs. I will not freak out about every little scratch I get on my watches. I will not worry about the investment value of my watches. I will enjoy all my watches every time I wear them for the rest of my life. __________________ 14060M - 16610 - 16710 - 16234 - 16570(x2) - 116400GV - IW323300 - PAM292 - SKX779K

30 June 2011, 10:44 AM	#60
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	Lining up the Rolex logo on the crown is ridonkulous. Really. The crown eventually shifts over time so the logo sits differently. The Rehaut engraving OTH is permanent.

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