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johnbeth · 14 July 2011, 12:16 AM

Thanks for the heads up Greg!

Mosco · 14 July 2011, 02:27 AM

see if you can spot it. I did my best to show different angles.

PLEASE NOTE - sides were switched in these pics below

No pics of the rest of the watches, because as I have mentioned in the post, both are real, minus the crystal on one.

sushisummo · 14 July 2011, 02:53 AM

First Pic.........if I have to guess, the one on the LEFT is not original.

Am I right?

TattooedGQ · 14 July 2011, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sushisummo

First Pic.........if I have to guess, the one on the LEFT is not original.

Am I right?

I'm with you...

Mosco · 14 July 2011, 03:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sushisummo

First Pic.........if I have to guess, the one on the LEFT is not original.

Am I right?

Correct, JT...

What's scary is that you have to have a known genuine example at your disposal to even notice the subtle differences.

want to be · 14 July 2011, 03:11 AM

Holy Sh**!!!!! I got mine 11/2009 from ad in BocaRaton FL.
Who could tell?

forerunner · 14 July 2011, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosco

Correct, JT...

What's scary is that you have to have a known genuine example at your disposal to even notice the subtle differences.

Very true. I would never be able to tell w/o the real thing for comparison. :(

Nels

RolexWatcher · 14 July 2011, 04:28 AM

Wow...that is quite hard to tell without having a real one next to it...

Ticking Away · 14 July 2011, 05:06 AM

Does Rolex incorporate etching on the Milgauss? If so does the fake have the same pattern?

Mosco · 14 July 2011, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ticking Away

Does Rolex incorporate etching on the Milgauss? If so does the fake have the same pattern?

They do not on the green crystal.

roach7 · 14 July 2011, 06:57 AM

awesome pix greg! this is scary s**t !!! how were you able to find this out in the first place?

Mosco · 14 July 2011, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by roach7

awesome pix greg! this is scary s**t !!! how were you able to find this out in the first place?

Keen eye. I've owned a GV for 3 years now, and this one just seemed off. Upon comparing them, my fears materialized and I started digging around/

forerunner · 14 July 2011, 10:48 AM

So wait. Did you actually buy this piece so you could take all those detailed photos?

Nels

Z-Sub · 14 July 2011, 10:57 AM

What serial is the one in question?

I've compared my M-serial to 2 of my AD's V serial and that is exactly the difference in the crystal's shades. both of the V-serials at my AD at the time has lighter green and the center part of the crystal has very little color just like the one you're showing.

I assume the one in question has no original paper?

Thank you so much for sharing Greg.

Ray T · 14 July 2011, 11:20 AM

is there any chance that the factory changed something that caused the crystals to be different?

mastermixer · 14 July 2011, 12:57 PM

Greg, is there any thought in your mind that it is NOT fake but merely a factory variation in the green?

Is there any difference in the thickness, finish, edge angle, or quality of the crystal that would solidify in your mind that it is in fact fake?

Do you know anyone who has had one rejected from RSC?

Mosco · 14 July 2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by forerunner

So wait. Did you actually buy this piece so you could take all those detailed photos?

Nels

Yes, I did. It was in a package with several other watches, so I didn't look closely. Luckily, I have recourse - so hopefully getting my $ back won't be an issue.

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Originally Posted by Z-Sub

What serial is the one in question?

I've compared my M-serial to 2 of my AD's V serial and that is exactly the difference in the crystal's shades. both of the V-serials at my AD at the time has lighter green and the center part of the crystal has very little color just like the one you're showing.

I assume the one in question has no original paper?

Thank you so much for sharing Greg.

This one is random serial. I too have heard of discrepancies, so to put my doubts to rest, I put it side by side with my own, which is an M (one you see in the pics), a V which I picked up a couple months ago, and a brand-new random. It was significantly paler than ALL of those, with green being almost non-existent toward the middle. You're correct, there is no original papers on this one.

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Originally Posted by Ray T

is there any chance that the factory changed something that caused the crystals to be different?

Absolutely - but not to this degree. Also, it would be consistent with other 'like' serial numbers, and it wasn't by a longshot.

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Originally Posted by mastermixer

Greg, is there any thought in your mind that it is NOT fake but merely a factory variation in the green?

Is there any difference in the thickness, finish, edge angle, or quality of the crystal that would solidify in your mind that it is in fact fake?

Do you know anyone who has had one rejected from RSC?

It has crossed my mind. But again, i compared it with 3 other examples (M, V and Random) and the difference was clearly visible with all of them. The edge beveling and finish are similar to the naked eye, and I'll measure the thickness tomorrow when I have it in my hand. thanks for the suggestion.

I haven't had one rejected by RSC, but my local AD agreed that it was not right. Naturally, I don't take it as a definitive answer, so the research continues.

mastermixer · 14 July 2011, 02:21 PM

Very interesting. It might be worth it to have your watch maker take off the crystals of both watches for a more concrete comparison. Just don't mix them up

your call.

Mosco · 14 July 2011, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mastermixer

Very interesting. It might be worth it to have your watch maker take off the crystals of both watches for a more concrete comparison. Just don't mix them up

your call.

Congrats on your 1500th post

I'll think it over... Don't want to mess with my watch though.

InVision · 14 July 2011, 08:24 PM

Bizarre, I you take your photos into photoshop and apply a photo filter of light green under certain adjustments it makes the one on the left crystal look thin and much lighter.

I think I fly up there next week to look at one in the flesh. Will you still have the "sample"?

Thanks for the heads up. I can't put my hands on the advertizement yet, but someone was offering white dial Mils with "oem original rolex green crystals". Might be the unknown reason for the switching. It would be much harder to tell on black than white.

Mosco · 14 July 2011, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InVision

Bizarre, I you take your photos into photoshop and apply a photo filter of light green under certain adjustments it makes the one on the left crystal look thin and much lighter.

I think I fly up there next week to look at one in the flesh. Will you still have the "sample"?

Thanks for the heads up. I can't put my hands on the advertizement yet, but someone was offering white dial Mils with "oem original rolex green crystals". Might be the unknown reason for the switching. It would be much harder to tell on black than white.

Mike, that's my watch

I had it switched back, couldn't stay away from the 'normal' Millie

2th Dr · 15 July 2011, 12:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosco

Correct, JT...

What's scary is that you have to have a known genuine example at your disposal to even notice the subtle differences.

I see it Greg, and I can see how it would be difficult to tell without the correct one next to it for comparison. Geez, those bastages!

2th Dr · 15 July 2011, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mosco

Mike, that's my watch

I had it switched back, couldn't stay away from the 'normal' Millie

I don't know Greg, that looks really cool!

Mosco · 15 July 2011, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by 2th DR

I don't know Greg, that looks really cool!

Thanks man... I liked it too, but something about that black dial had me missing it.

HockeyBrand · 15 July 2011, 06:27 PM

This eBay store is selling green 'crystal'. Like Greg says, for what purpose could a market call for this to be sold? Thankfully real green crystal keeps the GV unique to look at. The moment they perfect thus expensive part is scarytime.

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RolexWatcher · 15 July 2011, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HockeyBrand

This eBay store is selling green 'crystal'. Like Greg says, for what purpose could a market call for this to be sold? Thankfully real green crystal keeps the GV unique to look at. The moment they perfect thus expensive part is scarytime.

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Totally agree. Once they perfect how to do this green crystal, I really don't know how you will know if it is real or fake since all we have to distinguish will be the fitting and the shade of green.

The problem with this crystal is it isn't like other parts of the Rolex that requires a certain amount of attention to detail.

harry in montreal · 16 July 2011, 03:02 AM

Does the crystal have the rolex crown etching? are they faking this as well?

Mosco · 16 July 2011, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by harry in montreal

Does the crystal have the rolex crown etching? are they faking this as well?

Green crystals do not have the etching, real or fake...

WatchTimes · 16 July 2011, 03:38 AM

GREAT post, thanks for the heads up Greg!

want to be · 16 July 2011, 04:13 AM

So I can rest assured that my GV bought thru Mayors in Boca Raton FL. in 2009 is real?

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Z-Sub 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: So Cal, USA Watch: Not a ONEWatch Man Posts: 7,383	What serial is the one in question? I've compared my M-serial to 2 of my AD's V serial and that is exactly the difference in the crystal's shades. both of the V-serials at my AD at the time has lighter green and the center part of the crystal has very little color just like the one you're showing. I assume the one in question has no original paper? Thank you so much for sharing Greg. __________________ SS Submariner Date "Z" SS SeaDweller "D" SS Submariner "Random" TT Blue Submariner "P" SS GMT-Master ll "M", Pepsi Pam 311, 524, 297

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14 July 2011, 12:16 AM	#31
johnbeth "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: John Location: Australia Watch: Depends on mood. Posts: 9,536	Thanks for the heads up Greg!

14 July 2011, 03:11 AM	#36
want to be "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Ft.Lauderedale Posts: 181	Holy Sh**!!!!! I got mine 11/2009 from ad in BocaRaton FL. Who could tell?

14 July 2011, 04:28 AM	#38
RolexWatcher "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Vincent Location: LON HKG SYD Posts: 1,236	Wow...that is quite hard to tell without having a real one next to it...

14 July 2011, 05:06 AM	#39
Ticking Away "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 272	Does Rolex incorporate etching on the Milgauss? If so does the fake have the same pattern?

14 July 2011, 06:57 AM	#41
roach7 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: henry Location: nyc Watch: 16610lv Posts: 1,829	awesome pix greg! this is scary s**t !!! how were you able to find this out in the first place?

14 July 2011, 10:48 AM	#43
forerunner "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 51	So wait. Did you actually buy this piece so you could take all those detailed photos? Nels

14 July 2011, 11:20 AM	#45
Ray T "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Ray Location: NYC Watch: 116619 LB Posts: 353	is there any chance that the factory changed something that caused the crystals to be different?

14 July 2011, 12:57 PM	#46
mastermixer "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Michael Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,474	Greg, is there any thought in your mind that it is NOT fake but merely a factory variation in the green? Is there any difference in the thickness, finish, edge angle, or quality of the crystal that would solidify in your mind that it is in fact fake? Do you know anyone who has had one rejected from RSC?

14 July 2011, 02:21 PM	#48
mastermixer "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Michael Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,474	Very interesting. It might be worth it to have your watch maker take off the crystals of both watches for a more concrete comparison. Just don't mix them up your call.

14 July 2011, 08:24 PM	#50
InVision Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Mike Location: Destin, FL USA Watch: Outerspace DayDate Posts: 2,662	Bizarre, I you take your photos into photoshop and apply a photo filter of light green under certain adjustments it makes the one on the left crystal look thin and much lighter. I think I fly up there next week to look at one in the flesh. Will you still have the "sample"? Thanks for the heads up. I can't put my hands on the advertizement yet, but someone was offering white dial Mils with "oem original rolex green crystals". Might be the unknown reason for the switching. It would be much harder to tell on black than white.

15 July 2011, 06:27 PM	#55
HockeyBrand Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Burnaby Posts: 265	This eBay store is selling green 'crystal'. Like Greg says, for what purpose could a market call for this to be sold? Thankfully real green crystal keeps the GV unique to look at. The moment they perfect thus expensive part is scarytime. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

16 July 2011, 03:02 AM	#57
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	Does the crystal have the rolex crown etching? are they faking this as well?

16 July 2011, 04:13 AM	#60
want to be "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Ft.Lauderedale Posts: 181	So I can rest assured that my GV bought thru Mayors in Boca Raton FL. in 2009 is real?

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