Airplane traveling with Toddler Advice please...

[TheVTCGuy]

How about sending them FEDEX over night and picking them up at the airport you're landing at.

[texex91]

Originally Posted by kilyung

God bless 1st class but I bring my kids into first with me when I travel with them. Oh if looks could kill!

Oh that was me looking at you

[TheVTCGuy]

Yeah, well... Ahem, I am probably not going to make any new friends after this post... (did I have any to begin with? ) but from the other side; I am one of those that give the looks that kill.

As a frequent traveler, I dread seeing kids getting on a plane; I always expect the worst. My dread is sometimes not warranted, and I give credit to parents and kids that travel respectfully. Let me say this: How the kids affect their surrounding travelers is 100% up to the parents.

When out in the yard, or at the beach, or playground, or playroom, Kids deserve the time to run around as much as they want, scream, yell, do what kids do. The problem is, some PARENTS don't understand that does not apply to airports (and resturants and coffee shops etc.). These public places, are NOT the place to play tag, or war, or hide and seek or anything else. As a non-parent, it's amazing how I see people handling their children in public places these days. When I was young, in the yard, I had free-reign, however in a public place, I was to be quiet, act respectable to the people around me. It's actually shocking to see how many parents now don't bother to manage their kids in public places and are oblivious to how they are affecting (bothering) people around them. It's like they don't want to risk upsetting the children so let them do whatever they like. I can not tell you how many public places (including the airport) I have seen wild kids running around screaming, etc. So, for you parents out there, my advice is: Airports, resturants, etc. Are NOT your day-care center.

Ok, let the hate-posts begin....

[Lisa]

How did this thread start out as an "advice for traveling with kids" and end up as an "I hate kids and parents who have the NERVE to get on the same airplane as me..."

Most parents traveling with kids do the best they can. They smile apologetically if things aren't going perfectly with their kids. It's incorrect to assume that if the kids behave poorly in this instance it's the parent's fault - travel schedules aren't particularly kid-friendly. There may not be time for bathroom breaks, snacks, a decent meal... there might be hours-long delays that were unforseeable. Even the most patient adult can get strung out when things like this happen.

I say: a little patience and understanding goes a long way. As do earplugs.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

When I was young, in the yard, I had free-reign, however in a public place, I was to be quiet, act respectable to the people around me.

We're talking toddlers here. I'm sure you think you were the model child, but to the extent that you can even remember being 3 years old I can assure you you were still having "meltdowns" and had virtually zero ability to control them.

[RRGHOST1]

Home alone seems good, then you dont have to worry about strollers and buggies. Stock the fridge up and go ! Only joking !

[Baco Noir]

Originally Posted by Lisa

How did this thread start out as an "advice for traveling with kids" and end up as an "I hate kids and parents who have the NERVE to get on the same airplane as me..."

Most parents traveling with kids do the best they can. They smile apologetically if things aren't going perfectly with their kids. It's incorrect to assume that if the kids behave poorly in this instance it's the parent's fault - travel schedules aren't particularly kid-friendly. There may not be time for bathroom breaks, snacks, a decent meal... there might be hours-long delays that were unforseeable. Even the most patient adult can get strung out when things like this happen.

I say: a little patience and understanding goes a long way. As do earplugs.

I agree Lisa. I travel with earplug style earphones and use them to block out all noise - adult and kids. The only time I really get upset with the parents is when the kid is pulling on or kicking the seat and they don't stop it. Otherwise, they are paying passengers like the rest of us.

I hope my joking comment about buying drinks for those around you when traveling with children didn't start all the anti-kid rants.

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[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by Timber Loftis

We're talking toddlers here. I'm sure you think you were the model child, but to the extent that you can even remember being 3 years old I can assure you you were still having "meltdowns" and had virtually zero ability to control them.

I have meltdowns now, but a crying child is not what I am talking about, read my post. There is nothing a parent can do when a child decides to have a tantrum and I understand that, but it's the parents that let their children run around like wild-animals in airports, resturants, etc. that I have no respect for.

Oh and thanks for reminding me I was not a model child...

I'm sure I had my tantrums, but I DO know that my parents did NOT allow me to run around screaming, playing tag, hide and seek etc. in a public place like I see so many parents allowing their kids today. Since you bring up memories, I CAN remember more then one time when I was put in the car and driven home for not behaving in a public place. Does that make you feel superior now?

[BarkMaster]

Oh, gosh...

[Baco Noir]

Wow. I can feel the love in the air - NOT. Seems like an unnessary and very intentionally agressive response.

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[dman]

I actually threatened to choke a guy out on a flight after we landed when he made a comment to a single mom. I love looks that kill, as long as they want to back it up. And no, not a friend made with me.

[dalip]

Just seen this and the recent comments made - I hear you Daren.

Some incredibly ignorant posts in a thread which was simply asking other parents for advice regarding travelling with young children.

I have had the experience where a man apporached my wife to complain about being "disturbed" by our child when he was trying to sleep. I was not in my seat when this happened. My wife was polite in her reply - but when I returned and heard about it I was not impressed. My wife was quite upset by the comment (she was totally exhausted from a 14hour journey up to that point) AND the continued " looks" he passed our way during the remainder of the flight.

We didn't have long to go and were coming in to land so I waited. When we landed I found him at the baggage carousel...Believe me I was not so polite...

Knock off the ignorant comments made in this thread. No-one asked for these opinions from non-parents.

And this isn't a "hate-post" - it's a warning.

[htc8p]

people without kids will never understand. they only do when its too late.

3 year olds can be reasoned with. you just have to be his groupie

[padi56]

Originally Posted by dman

I actually threatened to choke a guy out on a flight after we landed when he made a comment to a single mom. I love looks that kill, as long as they want to back it up. And no, not a friend made with me.

Originally Posted by dalip

Just seen this and the recent comments made - I hear you Daren.

Some incredibly ignorant posts in a thread which was simply asking other parents for advice regarding travelling with young children.

I have had the experience where a man apporached my wife to complain about being "disturbed" by our child when he was trying to sleep. I was not in my seat when this happened. My wife was polite in her reply - but when I returned and heard about it I was not impressed. My wife was quite upset by the comment (she was totally exhausted from a 14hour journey up to that point) AND the continued " looks" he passed our way during the remainder of the flight.

We didn't have long to go and were coming in to land so I waited. When we landed I found him at the baggage carousel...Believe me I was not so polite...

Knock off the ignorant comments made in this thread. No-one asked for these opinions from non-parents.

And this isn't a "hate-post" - it's a warning.

Could not agree more once again a certain member put pen to paper without thinking of the original posters question and the many members with young children on the forum.Perhaps the parents with young children in this thread should pack and Fedex that member off to somewhere far away it can be arranged.

[speedo]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Yeah, well... Ahem, I am probably not going to make any new friends after this post... (did I have any to begin with? ) but from the other side; I am one of those that give the looks that kill.

As a frequent traveler, I dread seeing kids getting on a plane; I always expect the worst. My dread is sometimes not warranted, and I give credit to parents and kids that travel respectfully. Let me say this: How the kids affect their surrounding travelers is 100% up to the parents.

When out in the yard, or at the beach, or playground, or playroom, Kids deserve the time to run around as much as they want, scream, yell, do what kids do. The problem is, some PARENTS don't understand that does not apply to airports (and resturants and coffee shops etc.). These public places, are NOT the place to play tag, or war, or hide and seek or anything else. As a non-parent, it's amazing how I see people handling their children in public places these days. When I was young, in the yard, I had free-reign, however in a public place, I was to be quiet, act respectable to the people around me. It's actually shocking to see how many parents now don't bother to manage their kids in public places and are oblivious to how they are affecting (bothering) people around them. It's like they don't want to risk upsetting the children so let them do whatever they like. I can not tell you how many public places (including the airport) I have seen wild kids running around screaming, etc. So, for you parents out there, my advice is: Airports, resturants, etc. Are NOT your day-care center.

Ok, let the hate-posts begin....

you should really try and tell a two years old boy to behave himself.....i understand that sitting close to a crying toddler is not the best on a long haul flight but believe me, none of the parents want their kids to run amock and they also wish they'd be sleeping all the way from tokyo to new york. unfortunately this not how kids work.
ear plugs are a wonderful invention.

btw, thank god for tablets and portable dvd players!

[speedo]

Originally Posted by Lisa

How did this thread start out as an "advice for traveling with kids" and end up as an "I hate kids and parents who have the NERVE to get on the same airplane as me..."

Most parents traveling with kids do the best they can. They smile apologetically if things aren't going perfectly with their kids. It's incorrect to assume that if the kids behave poorly in this instance it's the parent's fault - travel schedules aren't particularly kid-friendly. There may not be time for bathroom breaks, snacks, a decent meal... there might be hours-long delays that were unforseeable. Even the most patient adult can get strung out when things like this happen.

I say: a little patience and understanding goes a long way. As do earplugs.

agree completely. funny you mention earplugs too.

[HL65]

Originally Posted by padi56

Could not agree more once again a certain member put pen to paper without thinking of the original posters question and the many members with young children on the forum.Perhaps the parents with young children in this thread should pack and Fedex that member off to somewhere far away it can be arranged..

Well that makes 3 of us. I am sure it isn't easy for the parent and quite stressful when their little one is crying. Empathy goes a long way in life....

[xjeeunitx]

I just took my 16 month old boy to Guam. It wasn't too bad. We didn't take anything except one of those really lightweight COSCO foldable strollers. We gave out little guy gushers and something to sip on during take off and landings.

A three year old should take it like a champ!

[johnbeth]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

How about sending them FEDEX over night and picking them up at the airport you're landing at.

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

As a frequent traveler, I dread seeing kids getting on a plane; I always expect the worst.

If I was a parent I would be insulted by your comments and especially from someone who is approaching or is middle aged and never had any kids to understand what parenting is all about.

[Welshwatchman]

Who'd have thought this thread would have turn to pulp?

Me, I grin and bear the whole screaming child situation, be it on an aircraft or elsewhere. It is the most disturbing noise for good evolutionary reasons.

I'm not a fan of the tut tut brigade.

[mailman]

It amazes me how people that don't have kids like to give advice on how to handle them

[TheVTCGuy]

Well, of anyone would actually READ what I said, they MIGHT have the intelligence to understand it was not a complaint against crying children, I understand little can be done about that, it was a statement how parents these days don't require their children to act respectful in public places. My parents, and my current friends that are blessed with children require their children to act respectful in public places; while in the yard or playground or other play areas they can run around, scream and yell all they want. The problem is many parents theses days don't discern the difference between the two, and allow their children to run wild in these places disturbing others, I don't need to be a parent to understand that.

But thank you all very much for all the hurtful comments about me not being a parent, because a lot of you were blessed and I am not. If I ever had a child, I know I would require my child to act respectful in a public location, ( I am referring to running around, screaming and playing games, not a crying fit, I understand the difference).

But by all means, continue with your insults and hateful comments. Go ahead.... Get as many in as you can before this thread is locked or I am banned and won't be able to read them. Hurry!

[Timber Loftis]

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

It is the most disturbing noise for good evolutionary reasons.

Too true.

[Timber Loftis]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Well, of anyone would actually READ what I said, they MIGHT have the intelligence to understand it was not a complaint against crying children, I understand little can be done about that, it was a statement how parents these days don't require their children to act respectful in public places.

Get over yourself. No one asked how you feel about travelling with kids around, or about kids and parenting in general. We just wanted to help a guy know how to pack his bags.

[johnbeth]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Well, of anyone would actually READ what I said, they MIGHT have the intelligence to understand it was not a complaint against crying children, I understand little can be done about that, it was a statement how parents these days don't require their children to act respectful in public places. My parents, and my current friends that are blessed with children require their children to act respectful in public places; while in the yard or playground or other play areas they can run around, scream and yell all they want. The problem is many parents theses days don't discern the difference between the two, and allow their children to run wild in these places disturbing others, I don't need to be a parent to understand that.

But thank you all very much for all the hurtful comments about me not being a parent, because a lot of you were blessed and I am not. If I ever had a child, I know I would require my child to act respectful in a public location, ( I am referring to running around, screaming and playing games, not a crying fit, I understand the difference).

But by all means, continue with your insults and hateful comments. Go ahead.... Get as many in as you can before this thread is locked or I am banned and won't be able to read them. Hurry!

If you actually read the OPs message he asked the following

"Airplane traveling with Toddler Advice please..

am flying to New York City with my wife and 3 year old toddler son.
I am facing the stroller/car seat dilemna.

What do you put your kid in on a plane?
In a taxi? What do you do with your car seat when you get there?
And while walking the city?

and you posted the messages below :

"How about sending them FEDEX over night and picking them up at the airport you're landing at."

and

"As a frequent traveler, I dread seeing kids getting on a plane;"


Therefore could you please explain how helpfull your comments were to the OPs original post??

[dman]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

Well, of anyone would actually READ what I said, they MIGHT have the intelligence to understand it was not a complaint against crying children, I understand little can be done about that, it was a statement how parents these days don't require their children to act respectful in public places. My parents, and my current friends that are blessed with children require their children to act respectful in public places; while in the yard or playground or other play areas they can run around, scream and yell all they want. The problem is many parents theses days don't discern the difference between the two, and allow their children to run wild in these places disturbing others, I don't need to be a parent to understand that.

But thank you all very much for all the hurtful comments about me not being a parent, because a lot of you were blessed and I am not. If I ever had a child, I know I would require my child to act respectful in a public location, ( I am referring to running around, screaming and playing games, not a crying fit, I understand the difference).

But by all means, continue with your insults and hateful comments. Go ahead.... Get as many in as you can before this thread is locked or I am banned and won't be able to read them. Hurry!

You are still in your own world and missing the point. Nobody asked you for your highly regarded opinion on how parents allow bad behavior. Your so self consumed you don't even recognize the ignorance and how offensive that statement is to parents.

Quit while you are behind, please.

[dalip]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

But by all means, continue with your insults and hateful comments. Go ahead.... Get as many in as you can before this thread is locked or I am banned and won't be able to read them. Hurry!

What are you doing here? Seriously get a grip. You made some ill considered remarks about children on planes. These comments were also nothing to do with the thread question. Instead you decided to take it as an opportunity to make judgements on parents and parenting of which you know nothing. Now you are playing the victim and challenging us to ban you or lock the thread.

I'd take some time to have a think about why this thread went the way it did and ended up with you getting the reactions we see from quite a few here.

To state we are not intelligent enough to understand you....well....you really are in a world of your own.

[johnbeth]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

But by all means, continue with your insults and hateful comments. Go ahead.... Get as many in as you can before this thread is locked or I am banned and won't be able to read them. Hurry!

Reverse psychology at its best!

[Mosco]

can this just be dropped?

[EE33]

Originally Posted by Mosco

can this just be dropped?

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Please and Thank You.