General consensus for Sub new design.

[swiss ghost]

i prefer the 'older' 16610 case design. they should have just added the new bracelet. the new case looks too big and clumsy for the 40mm diameter.The case better suits a 42mm watch (see explorer 2 42). some say rolex had to make the bigger case for market 'trend'. i wanted to comment on that: what trend? like it or not 42mm - 46mm watches are here to stay. 40mm by rolex is beyond outdated. ridiculous really. ONLY rolex purists refer to a deepsea as a BIG watch. no one else does

[Passionata]

I think there is no general one , some ppl like some don t , i belong to those who stucked into the metal bezel era but fully understand that i m not the one who will keep the company alive.


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[JB7]

Thanks again people, I'm not going to ask preference for date! I know that's another involved one...

Originally Posted by Singslinger

Yes based on the current exchange rate, £ 5000 is roughly the price of a new steel Sub in Singapore.

Was that with or without date..?

Originally Posted by Singslinger

Yes the SD is a thing of the past, and has been replaced by the Deepsea. There are differences - the bezel for one, not just that it's ceramic but the markings are not the same. The bracelet has been updated to the new Glidelock and the case has a titanium back that flexes under extreme pressure.

I saw the thread with the lume on the bezel numbers on that Tudor model, Have Rolex ever gone that route on these, other than just pip? That did look very cool

Originally Posted by ROGERWILCO357

tapered look fits better on my small wrist , but like both either way you cannot go wrong.

Something also worth thinking about, Like I say, I can get away with the 42 Planet Ocean but it's probably just a bit too big for my liking, but it wears well. (says he convincing himself)

[JB7]

Originally Posted by swiss ghost

i prefer the 'older' 16610 case design. they should have just added the new bracelet. the new case looks too big and clumsy for the 40mm diameter.The case better suits a 42mm watch (see explorer 2 42). some say rolex had to make the bigger case for market 'trend'. i wanted to comment on that: what trend? like it or not 42mm - 46mm watches are here to stay. 40mm by rolex is beyond outdated. ridiculous really. ONLY rolex purists refer to a deepsea as a BIG watch. no one else does

See what you're saying, My wrist is not massive and the Planet Ocean is only just OK, so I think a 40 would suit better anyway

[warrior]

Well...you have good taste re: Omegas and the great looking Planet Ocean. I've warmed up to the new Sub design ( Maxi Markers and bezel). The lugs on the No Date Sub C are not as pronounced as seen on pics on the net. Which is a good thing. The balance/symmetry on the No Date is truly beautiful.

The one thing I don't like is the look of the tapered bracelet against the wider case...looks kind of weird, which you already implied. But, everything else on the Sub is fine. I prefer the no date Rolexes...Sub and Explorer.

[JB7]

Thanks Warrior, I have 2 POs... one needs to go for the Sub I think. I'm also angling towards no date Sub, for the amount of times during the day I look at date... Once maybe? Does the case differ on the date one?

[travisb]

Once the newer design came out there was no looking back for me.

[Aventura]

First of all I have to say that I sold my Rolex 16610 was looking to change it for some other model. I must say that I am very sorry to have sold. But the other day I tried a Used 16710 Pepsi and found very little visually.And I tried the 1167710 and did not feel I was little visually. Now I am confused. I'll have to go to AD to prove the new model Sub.but the problem in I may not compare it with the old is no longer available.

[AK797]

Actually Id be interested to know if many guys around 25 prefer the older sub and who dont have small wrists. I reckon there is a fair age divide over the two versions at under/over 35-40.

[warrior]

I've read the case/lugs are bigger on TRF, I think?. Maybe someone can chime in....

Originally Posted by JB7

Thanks Warrior, I have 2 POs... one needs to go for the Sub I think. I'm also angling towards no date Sub, for the amount of times during the day I look at date... Once maybe? Does the case differ on the date one?

[Aventura]

Originally Posted by aksingh

Actually Id be interested to know if many guys around 25 prefer the older sub and who dont have small wrists. I reckon there is a fair age divide over the two versions at under/over 35-40.

Depending on the version that I was given to me from a retailer of used Rolex everyone is asking the new model.

[Roller07]

I own both designs and each is special in its own way

[withthesword]

to be honest, i love the new design. some say it's not a very subtle upgrade, but i think the progression is a positive one.

the ONLY thing i would change would be the dial and hands. if i was rich and could afford it, i would get a new ND SubC and replace the hands and dial with a pre-ceramic non-maxi set. in my eyes, it would be perfect then.

Cofion Cynnes,

Matte

[bgriz]

I like both.

[withthesword]

ok, with a bit of photoshop magic, i inserted a 14060 non-cosc dial into a 114060 case. i think the winner is clear. UNMAXI FTW

[JB7]

Originally Posted by withthesword

ok, with a bit of photoshop magic, i inserted a 14060 non-cosc dial into a 114060 case. i think the winner is clear. UNMAXI FTW

OK, now you've confused me...
I could wear either, but the standard on right does stand out more

[The GMT Master]

I think the new design is a step forward in terms of modernising the Sub, but I don't think Rolex went anywhere near far enough. The ideal Sub would be a combination of the old case, new bracelet, and a 21st Century movement. In any case, I wouldn't have either the current or the previous generation Submariner

[Cru Jones]

for all the talk about "classic" and "new" lug/case, another way to look at it is that the new lugs & bracelet combo is a lot closer to the TRUE historic/vintage design than what came immediately before. in that way, the new sub's design isn't what makes it "modern", it's the technical details. in fact, the new lugs/case combo is decidedly retro, like the maxi dial.

have a look at some old subs...looks familiar?





(source: click here)

[jay1988]

Originally Posted by JB7

See what you're saying, My wrist is not massive and the Planet Ocean is only just OK, so I think a 40 would suit better anyway

Your wrist doesn't look that big ... Seems pretty average.

Have you measured it ? What size is it ?

AP RO 41mm and Patek Nautilus are both 40mm. So the 42-46mm watch trend doesn't really apply to any sports watches I want.

[mjclark32]

I like old and new

[warrior]

Interesting point!

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

for all the talk about "classic" and "new" lug/case, another way to look at it is that the new lugs & bracelet combo is a lot closer to the TRUE historic/vintage design than what came immediately before. in that way, the new sub's design isn't what makes it "modern", it's the technical details. in fact, the new lugs/case combo is decidedly retro, like the maxi dial.

have a look at some old subs...looks familiar?





(source: click here)

[mannyv11]

I love my new subc more and more everyday

[vintagewaferthin]

I myself am not a fan of the new sub c case design. If anything all rolex should have changed was the bracelet. They should have left the case alone.

[Solo118]

Originally Posted by swiss ghost

i prefer the 'older' 16610 case design. they should have just added the new bracelet. the new case looks too big and clumsy for the 40mm diameter.The case better suits a 42mm watch (see explorer 2 42). some say rolex had to make the bigger case for market 'trend'. i wanted to comment on that: what trend? like it or not 42mm - 46mm watches are here to stay. 40mm by rolex is beyond outdated. ridiculous really. ONLY rolex purists refer to a deepsea as a BIG watch. no one else does

I do not think 42mm is where it should be. Rolex has been producing Submariners for over 50 years, why mess with a good thing? I am sure they do not have a problem moving any Sub-Cs as is.

What happens in a few years when these huge Panerais and other 44mm watches are not so desirable? I don't know if that would really happen, but if it did then Rolex would be in an akward position.

Funny thing is, I feel Rolex made a good move by beefing up the 40mm Sub. Believe it or not I see alot of guys that would be wearing a 44mm watch etc. wearing Rolex these days (including the SubC!)

[The GMT Master]

Originally Posted by Solo118

I do not think 42mm is where it should be. Rolex has been producing Submariners for over 50 years, why mess with a good thing? I am sure they do not have a problem moving any Sub-Cs as is.

What happens in a few years when these huge Panerais and other 44mm watches are not so desirable? I don't know if that would really happen, but if it did then Rolex would be in an akward position.

Funny thing is, I feel Rolex made a good move by beefing up the 40mm Sub. Believe it or not I see alot of guys that would be wearing a 44mm watch etc. wearing Rolex these days (including the SubC!)

The original Submariner was 36mm, so the precedent for a case size change is there

[KCCHIEF]

Having owned both, the Sub C is the better watch. Hold both in your hands and you will understand. It feels like it is worth every penny and the glide lock clasp is incredible. I also prefer the ceramic bezel... The color is amazing and changes in different lighting. Also, the lugs don't seem as pronounced nor the case too square in person and most especially on the wrist.

[JB7]

I think the SubC is wrist size dependant as to whether someone prefers it,

Jay, I don't know what size my wrist is, I've never measured it, and don't believe I even own a tape measure, come to think of it, but will source. You can see my wrist there with the 42 PO just to show you, that I can just about pull it off, the lugs don't hang over, like they do on some, but I think the PO is a tiny bit bigger than I'd like it to be, and that's why I think the Sub would be more comfortable, and because I love the way they look. I believe the movements in both are tops. What I've spent on 2 x POs I probably should have gone Sub before now