US and European Cars who is the best what do you prefer?

[frostie]

Originally Posted by SLRdude

If you say so... OK.
American Supercars can't handle.

Every single one of the cars posted above by me has better skidpad figures than pretty much any European import.

And cheap materials? I take it you have never seen one of those in person.

The first Ford GT40 was a complete failure with no handling. Well the new Ford GT is not completely manufactured by US.They needed european help to improve and mainly the 90% of the car is made in europe.The wheels are german the brakes are italian the gearbox is british the body is british a the steering comes from an aston martin vanquish and the main frame of the car is made by lotus. As for the Z06 i don't think it's an everyday car too much of noise and low quality interior compared to other european cars of it's category. The price though is really good and i do agree with you about that one allthough it is the only successful corvette after half century of manufacturing corvettes something that does not happen in european automotive industry. As for the viper it has great engine not such a great handling. Personally i don't think that it is something i could drive every day but for that money your are buying plastic interior which means that the interior of the car has really low quality i saw many pics of it and the interior is literally plastic. The saleen S7 twinturbo is a limited production car and not a mass produced like a ferrari or a lambo. The funny thing is that it's a 7 liter car with 2 turbos and it can produce 550 hp only. The sl brabus has 6.3 liter with 730 hp and 2 turbos and it is mass produced of course. The 585.000 $that they ask for the saleen is way too much for that performance and the Sl brabus which is way faster and higher quality overall costs 309.664 $. For 585.000 $ you can get european cars that are much faster and with higher quality compared to that one and i bet that the european ones are going to last for decades cause that's what they are meant to do. As for the SSC aero i do believe that a european responce will come soon as we are on of the biggest manufacturers in luxurious and fast cars.Let's not mention the depreciation of the cars. Personally i believe and i've seen that the majority of european cars hold really good aftersale value something that can't happen with a US produced car. Time will tell. I don't try to insult anybody i am cool with everybody that share a different opinion . Correct me if i am wrong

[Thurnau]

For Exotic Cars I would have to side with the USA! For affordable luxury, German Cars are nice. There are too many dimensions a car can compete in to take this thread too seriously. Lambo is definitely a pretty car. So is the Ferrari. I bought a Porsche. My wife has owned many Lexus's. I agree that Jap cars are slightly better engineered and hold a better resale value. I wish Japanese cars designed for taller people. I feel great in my Cayenne in the driver seat (size-wise).

As far as the best ride a Cadillac, a Lincoln, and a Lexus has an excellent soft and quiet ride. Jaguar has a nice ride too, but isn't that a Ford product now? Are they still made in Europe?

[Steve V.]

higher end 911's (GT3, GT3RS, new GT2, etc...), 911 Turbo. That SSC would also be real nice. Hell, even I would look good in that thing. I'd have to keep my truck though. The big fat head in the picture to the left would tear his ears off if he rode with me in any of the other vehicles.

Me: Duke, get your head in we're going to hyperspace and you'll tear your ears off.

Duke: Woof



Steve

[Thurnau]

My Porsche Cayenne handles turns well. But one complaint is that while it accelerates well from stop to interstate speeds, it accelerates poorly from cruising 35 and then speeding up to 40. I never had that stall on my toyota. The interior in a porsche is nice, well nice if you got the full leather package with wood trim. Stock interior wasn't impressive at all. I also never thought such a small SUV would get 13.8 MPG.

I test drove a Few cars and one thing I found in common with the Mercedes and porsche is that they both ride a little rough. Even rougher than the smallest American economy cars.

I wonder who makes the best trucks?

[GrandDaddy]

Originally Posted by Thurnau

I test drove a Few cars and one thing I found in common with the Mercedes and porsche is that they both ride a little rough. Even rougher than the smallest American economy cars.

Oh really now? I bet you drive a Ford pick-me-up.

[GrandDaddy]

Originally Posted by Thurnau

For Exotic Cars I would have to side with the USA! For affordable luxury, German Cars are nice. There are too many dimensions a car can compete in to take this thread too seriously. Lambo is definitely a pretty car. So is the Ferrari. I bought a Porsche. My wife has owned many Lexus's. I agree that Jap cars are slightly better engineered and hold a better resale value. I wish Japanese cars designed for taller people. I feel great in my Cayenne in the driver seat (size-wise).

As far as the best ride a Cadillac, a Lincoln, and a Lexus has an excellent soft and quiet ride. Jaguar has a nice ride too, but isn't that a Ford product now? Are they still made in Europe?

Exotic Cars and U.S.A.? Speaking of an oxymoron...! Affordable German luxury car? You must be very rich. Better yet, stick with your FORD pick-me-up.

[Steve V.]

Originally Posted by GrandDaddy

Exotic Cars and U.S.A.? Speaking of an oxymoron...! Affordable German luxury car? You must be very rich. Better yet, stick with your FORD pick-me-up.

And what exactly is wrong with a Ford pick-me-up? The last time Duke rode in the back of the truck he pooped (he's like a kid that waits until you get rolling before he has to poop). Want him to do that in a Porsche? Trucks serve a purpose. I'm going this week to buy a load of lumber. Anyone that lives near Houston is welcome to bring their exotic cars and come with me to help haul it. And another thing. You ever been in a car with a dog when he farted? You won't do that twice. The back of the truck is just fine for him.

This is how duke rolls...



Steve

[East Bay Rider]

Originally Posted by aleks_City

East We Are Living With Are Means But The Topic Is American Vs European, And No Price Range Was Mentioned

Kind of hard to draw a line there. Many "American" cars and their components are manufactured in Canada and Mexico. Maybe we should refer to them as "North American" cars.
But also many "Japanese" cars are assembled in America.

I see that most posters mentioned the high end European cars and the quintessential American sports car, Corvette. Not much mention of Cadillac or Lincoln or Buick but this is a young energetic crowd here so that's understandable
I'm always more interested in the regular guy and his life. The daily struggles...
Anyway, I was thinking about average cars. The daily drivers of regular working folk. The low end Fiats, Opel, Renault, Citroen, etc. found on every street and in every lot.
Depending on the country (Denmark for example) cost of purchase, taxes and ownership are considerably high even for one of those "lower end" cars. This initial "buy in" would purchase a much nicer car in America for the same $$.
Also consider that America has not embraced diesel engines in small personal family cars and they're so highly priced even in pickup trucks that most consumers eschew it in spite of it's long term savings. There are two kinds of drivers in the U.S. Those who buy a new car every few years and those who buy them and run them into the ground.
So is a comparably priced European car as good or better than a North American car?
I say it depends on the country it's purchased in.

[East Bay Rider]

Originally Posted by Steve V.

And what exactly is wrong with a Ford pick-me-up? The last time Duke rode in the back of the truck he pooped (he's like a kid that waits until you get rolling before he has to poop). Want him to do that in a Porsche? Trucks serve a purpose. I'm going this week to buy a load of lumber. Anyone that lives near Houston is welcome to bring their exotic cars and come with me to help haul it. And another thing. You ever been in a car with a dog when he farted? You won't do that twice. The back of the truck is just fine for him.

This is how duke rolls...



Steve

I like your truck. I drive a truck as well. It's a great all around homeowner tool. And I have 4wd too.

[GrandDaddy]

Originally Posted by Steve V.

And what exactly is wrong with a Ford pick-me-up? The last time Duke rode in the back of the truck he pooped (he's like a kid that waits until you get rolling before he has to poop). Want him to do that in a Porsche? Trucks serve a purpose. I'm going this week to buy a load of lumber. Anyone that lives near Houston is welcome to bring their exotic cars and come with me to help haul it. And another thing. You ever been in a car with a dog when he farted? You won't do that twice. The back of the truck is just fine for him.

This is how duke rolls...



Steve

Nothing wrong with pick-me-ups. Just dis-agreeing with Mr. Thurnau.

I think everyone should have a pick-me-up.

[vh_bu98]

What determines if the vehicle is American or European? Where the final assembly is? The percentage of parts from a certain company? Where the HQ of the company is located?

[Steve V.]

Originally Posted by GrandDaddy

Nothing wrong with pick-me-ups. Just dis-agreeing with Mr. Thurnau.

I think everyone should have a pick-me-up.

I was just doin (Texas word) a little tongue in cheek humor.



Steve

[TARDIS]

In 20 years cars like those will be dinosaurs.

The age of fossil fueled cars is closing.

[Thurnau]

Originally Posted by GrandDaddy

Oh really now? I bet you drive a Ford pick-me-up.

I own a 2008 Porsche Cayenne and a 2008 Lexus IS250. I will probably own a Ford Pick up truck within one year for business purposes. My landlord has a Quad cab F150. It's interior feels a little nicer than most Porche's, and has a much smoother ride. I am not yet in the market fir a truck just yet. I will probably buy a Ford one. According to the Consumer Reports Ford fir the first time has some of the best reliability, and Toyota is starting to see problems. Specifically V6 Camrys

My Dogs do roll in the back of the Cayenne.

[Steve V.]

O.K., which one of you jokers (moderators) changed my avatar? Duke is going to be mad if he sees this one.



Steve

[Thurnau]

Originally Posted by TARDIS

In 20 years cars like those will be dinosaurs.

The age of fossil fueled cars is closing.

I can't wait! I was disappointed in the hybrid options this year. Hybrid models are far and few between.

[Thurnau]

Originally Posted by GrandDaddy

Exotic Cars and U.S.A.? Speaking of an oxymoron...! Affordable German luxury car? You must be very rich. Better yet, stick with your FORD pick-me-up.

For not affordable I'd go with a Rolls Royce, or perhaps a Maybach. I don't know how nice a Rolls Royce is anymore. Rolls sold their car division a long time ago to focus on Jet engines or something like that. I think VW owns them now. What car does Granddaddy drive?

[GrandDaddy]

Originally Posted by Thurnau

I own a 2008 Porsche Cayenne and a 2008 Lexus IS250. I will probably own a Ford Pick up truck within one year for business purposes. My landlord has a Quad cab F150. It's interior feels a little nicer than most Porche's, and has a much smoother ride. I am not yet in the market fir a truck just yet. I will probably buy a Ford one. According to the Consumer Reports Ford fir the first time has some of the best reliability, and Toyota is starting to see problems. Specifically V6 Camrys
My Dogs do roll in the back of the Cayenne.

Hmmmm you own 2008 Porsche and Lexus and you have a landlord. Please tell us more.

Wait, I get it, you own an apartment building, right?

[GrandDaddy]

Originally Posted by Thurnau

For not affordable I'd go with a Rolls Royce, or perhaps a Maybach. I don't know how nice a Rolls Royce is anymore. Rolls sold their car division a long time ago to focus on Jet engines or something like that. I think VW owns them now. What car does Granddaddy drive?

I drive a "granddaddy mobile", aka M3. Don't worry Mr. Thurnau, I'm only a poor retired Sailor. We're so poor our butler can't even afford a Mercedes Benz.

[Arby]

Originally Posted by Steve V.

And what exactly is wrong with a Ford pick-me-up? The last time Duke rode in the back of the truck he pooped (he's like a kid that waits until you get rolling before he has to poop). Want him to do that in a Porsche? Trucks serve a purpose. I'm going this week to buy a load of lumber. Anyone that lives near Houston is welcome to bring their exotic cars and come with me to help haul it. And another thing. You ever been in a car with a dog when he farted? You won't do that twice. The back of the truck is just fine for him.

This is how duke rolls...



Steve

I'm with Steve... There's nothing wrong with a Ford Pick-up Here's mine.

[teton]

In my humble experience European cars are the best, however you need to get a high end European car with a V10 or V12 engine. If you are looking for a V6 or even V8 you should get a Japanese car instead. Production costs for European cars are very high so at the low end, they don't make them real good, at the high end then yes.

I don't recommend American unless you are looking for a large work truck or cargo van. American makes the best ones in this category.

[diamonddatejust]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Neither.....give me a reliabe, dependable and trustworthy Jap import any day!!

Classic example: A Lexus would put virtually most European, British and American cars to shame!!

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[diamonddatejust]

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[aleks_City]

Originally Posted by GrandDaddy

I drive a "granddaddy mobile", aka M3. Don't worry Mr. Thurnau, I'm only a poor retired Sailor. We're so poor our butler can't even afford a Mercedes Benz.

hahahahaah really niiiiiice

[aleks_City]

Originally Posted by Thurnau

For not affordable I'd go with a Rolls Royce, or perhaps a Maybach. I don't know how nice a Rolls Royce is anymore. Rolls sold their car division a long time ago to focus on Jet engines or something like that. I think VW owns them now. What car does Granddaddy drive?

by the way R.R. is owned by BMW today, not VW. like we have a custom to say, EVEN THE BIRDS KNOW THAT

[Goodwatch]

I think high-end, exotic and limited production cars must be exempt. It’s nice to be able to produce mind-boggling figures regarding some special cars but the change that the average Joe will ever own one is slim. Let alone drive one. ‘Best’ is a very subjective notion because what constitutes best? A Ferrari may be one of the very best sports cars in the world to some but it is a lousy choice if you have to travel over rough terrain.

I like the new Mercedes C class. But I also like the new Fiat 500. I’m in a country that suffers under gargantuan taxes on cars (over 50% in total) making that C class too expensive. Making almost every car here expensive.

If ‘best’ means, reliable, fuel efficient and easy to maintain, the likes of Toyota spring to mind. Not my cup of tea but a very sound car.

[redsrover]

BMW 540 Sport for daily use. Land Rover Discovery II fully outfitted for wheeling, camping and hunting fun....

[Goodwatch]

I'm drooling over a metalic orange Range Rover Sport SE

[Thurnau]

Originally Posted by GrandDaddy

Hmmmm you own 2008 Porsche and Lexus and you have a landlord. Please tell us more.

Wait, I get it, you own an apartment building, right?

I am a small business owner. I lease a warehouse to work in.

[Thurnau]

BMW and VW arrived at a solution. From 1998 to 2002 BMW would continue to supply engines for the cars and would allow use of the names, but this would cease on January 1, 2003. On that date, only BMW would be able to name cars "Rolls-Royce", and VW's former Rolls-Royce/Bentley division would build only cars called "Bentley". Rolls Royce's convertible, the Corniche, ceased production in 2002.

Ok, I stand corrected.