Just boughy this from local jewler...vintage rolex expert please!

[crowncollection]

An AD cannot help you with vintage Rolex. Michael young is about your best bet to fix the band. Search forum for michael young threads on this forum. .

[adiorandomhero93]

Sounds good, I will definitely check him out after I get the back off. Thank you again for your help and your kindness

[crowncollection]

You don't have "bombe" lugs also. Regards

[Ramiks]

Send it to ASC for check

[adiorandomhero93]

What is ASC?

[adiorandomhero93]

I just took the watch to an AD today to have it checked out and took some pictures with the back off. He said the watch itself looks good and the only thing he mentioned was the dial was refinished. He dated the watch 1951. I was a little confused because on the watch case back it looks like there are 2 reference numbers 6084 and 6085. I guess its easier to date the watch with the serial number. He said the band looked good and so did the clasp but he said the buckle looks like it is aftermarket and I'm guessing non Rolex. The only other thing he found with the band was where it connects to the case. He said at one time there was a solid piece there that connected the band to the case and someone replaced it with an aftermarket piece. Here are some pictures of the movement and the back of the watch case.

http://imageshack.us/g/1/9924194/

[kooltzar]

You need a loupe then you can read the numbers. Watch looks good though IMHO.

[adiorandomhero93]

I'm sorry I'm pretty new at this but which numbers do I need and where would I find them on the watch?

[crowncollection]

between the lugs, the watch looks good, right movement and case back is good.

[adiorandomhero93]

Would I be able to buy this to make the watch 100% authentic to the year? It has both pieces I need the Rolex clasp and both full pieces between the lugs. Just didn't know if both were right to that year and model. Thanks!

[adiorandomhero93]

Whoops!! Here's the link http://rolexandtudor.com/r_purchase_form.php?rid=759

Sorry about that

[crowncollection]

An AD has no idea about vintage Rolex that is the last person I would trust they sell the new models that's it. Tell your AD that for one, the watch never came with endlinks ( attach to case to close the gap between band and case). Your band has a straight end attachment not curved, correct for your watch. The springbars go through the band itself it is all joined. It was typical for the time, endlinks were not on all watches including yours. The clasp you have shown a link for is completely wrong for your watch it won't fit. You can't mix and match the reference numbers will be incorrect, that clasp is for a 14k/ss oval link USA jubilee band. Don't be so sure your clasp is not authentic I have a feeling it is, over the years rolex used many band manufacturers some poorly marked their clasps. I hope this helps

[adiorandomhero93]

That was the most helpful thing anyone has told me on here yet. I really mean it, thank you so much crown collection I appreciate it so much. The only reason I ask and bring that up is because the AD told me he could appraise it be he would have to appraise the watch(which he checked and said that was 100% original) and the band separate because he said the clasp and end links were aftermarket. I only asked this question because I would like to get one appraisal on the entire watch as one piece and 100% original. The AD told me it would be appraised higher if that was the case and it would be more collectible. Another reason I think the AD thought the end pieces were not original was because the pins that hold the end pieces of the band on to the case were stainless and he said they should be gold. After 60+ years I would think the lug pins would have been replaced atleast once.

[adiorandomhero93]

He also said there would be a Rolex crown on the clasp if it were the original clasp.

[crowncollection]

Could be polished off, have you got a photo. Get it serviced with a vintage specialist, and send the band off to michael young.

http://www.onebean.com/

Do not replace the hands and make sure it only gets a light polish by a vintage expert watchmaker.
I would not take the word of an AD on a vintage watch the font is perfect on that clasp the outer part could be replaced pr over polished, who knows it has been around a while the rest may be polished off.

[adiorandomhero93]

Another gentleman found this and he also thinks that its original. I will definitely take this in and show the ad next time I take my watch in. I'm so glad he found this

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...sfb659f2a.jpg/

[adiorandomhero93]

Here's a picture of the band from the book

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...sb70ab31a.jpg/

[crowncollection]

exactly, i think the band is original and stop going to the AD, send it to bob ridley or Rikki for a gentle service and the band to micheal young.

[adiorandomhero93]

Ok thank you again so much for your time and help

[adiorandomhero93]

Ok guys don't kill me for posting on here again but I really need some help.

Ok I know you guys told me not to go back to the ad but the ad is quite knowledgeable and a very nice guy. He has few vintage ones in his collection and knows more then most people I've talked to in person. He is also going to fix a couple of the links by opening the rivets and putting new springs for me. I am taking it there because he is very reputable and I would like the work done and documented by an ad. Ok so here's my problem, he said he will appraise the watch but he said he would have to appraise the band and the head separately and if he could appraise it as one piece it would most likely appraise for more. He still isn't sure if the end pieces are original or the clasp because he thinks it came with flush fit end pieces to begin with. In this article http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images...sfb659f2a.jpg/ it says that they didn't start making flush mount ends for oyster bracelets until 1954 and I now believe the watch is a 1950...making mine original. Could anyone tell me what book this came from? I showed him this then he went to his office and got an other Rolex book and showed pictures me original oysters that were dated before 1952 and they had flush mouth end pieces...I just don't know what to think now, and neither does he. He said that both books are unauthorized so its really anyone's guess. Can anyone else chum in on this? Also I was unable to read the serial on the side before then I got a magnifying glass and I could read the first three numbers, I believe it started 696xxx dating it 1950. It is stamped on the inside with 6084 with a line through it and and 6085 is stamped directory below it. I am thinking that Rolex made that case and it sat around a year before they put it together and then stamped the 6085 when they finally put it together. So I'm kinda thinking the dial could be a 1951 and the case is a 1950, could that have happened? Iv searched the internet high and low and I haven't been able to find an exact picture of the dial anywhere and the ad didn't see it in any of his books? Have any of you guys seen this dial before? If so could you please tell me the year of it and maybe post a picture of it so that I can confirm 1950 or 1951? Also most cases iv seen have the a Roman numeral next to the year stamped on the case identifying the quarter and the year the case was made but mine isn't stamped with that. Is that normal? Then as far as the watch band goes someone posted this picture on another forum for me  http://imageshack.us/a/img197/5205/c...psb70ab31a.jpg that looks exactly like my band leading me to believe it is a clewco band, a british company that Rolex outsourced some of there band making to. But there were 2 other British compaines that they did they same thing with, wab and cromwell I believe. My question there is did any of the other 2 British companies make an identical band? I see no markings on the band on the band besides Rolex and 14k stamped on the clasp. I can't see any other markings on the band but its been polished so many times it could have been polished away. I couldn't find too much on the internet about clewco either. So after my discussion with the ad he said when I bring the watch in to get it appraised bring all the info about it I can find and if its in line with his findings he will be able to appraise the watch as original and one piece. I would appreciate anything you guys could tell me or show me that would help me with this. Iv looked for hours on the internet and couldn't find much else out then I already know about it. I did find a couple bands close to mine on ebay, this one is a cromwell http://www.ebay.com/itm/40s-Vintage-...item27cdfa53e5 and I do not believe mine is a cromwell based on the stainless steel clasp and the buckle looks a tiny bit wider and it has a crown as mine does not. Thank you guys again so much for looking at this for me, I appreciate it so much. Like I said iv searched and searched and this was all I could find. I would be so happy to hear for you all again. Happy holidays!!
Shane

[mrbill2mrbill2]

CrownCollection stated the end links were correct - don't listen to the AD.

[adiorandomhero93]

I believe him 100%, I believe they are too. I look around on this forum a lot and from what iv seen he is one of the most informed people on here and I value his input. I was just looking for a little more info I can give to the ad when he appraises my watch. He also has some vintage watches and was genuinely curious about mine and the year they did change the end links. I will have him replace 2 of the rivet springs while he has it and it won't be too much. Eventually I would like to send the band to Michael young for a full restoration of all springs. Like I said I am just looking for a little more info about the band and the dial year.