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[cop414]

Geeze Chris, twice now. You must feel like you have a target on your back. Glad that you're okay, situational awareness as I've said before will give you the upper hand. You did some quick thinking there.

[GermanyMatt]

I don't know what make/model of vehicle you drive, but you might want to think about getting a "beater" so you don't attract attention to yourself. Get a stun gun or a can of mace - you really don't want to deal with the emotional impacts of shooting someone.

[joeychitwood]

I posted this once in another South Africa crime thread. I attended an Emergency Medicine conference and one lecture was given by an ER doc at Chris Hani Baragwanath Hospital in Soweto. I sat at a table with docs working in trauma centers in Los Angeles and New York City. By the end of his talk, we were stunned. The violence and trauma the South African doc saw in a single day made us feel like we worked in a day care center clinic. It's an incredibly dangerous place.

[Dr.Brian]

5cc of Succs with a 21g needle should take care of things for you nicely.
One of the female anesthesiologists I used to work with kept one in her little running fanny pack.
Attempted rape would likely be a fatal error in judgement.

[Wolfgang427]

Wow that's terrible luck. Hope it gets better for you, stay safe.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by cop414

Geeze Chris, twice now. You must feel like you have a target on your back. Glad that you're okay, situational awareness as I've said before will give you the upper hand. You did some quick thinking there.

Thinking back,level of calmness was good.My wife also stayed very calm.I guess this is the best to handle such an incident.Don't freeze,don't panic.The robbers hope for you to do just that,because that gives them enough time....

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by GermanyMatt

I don't know what make/model of vehicle you drive, but you might want to think about getting a "beater" so you don't attract attention to yourself. Get a stun gun or a can of mace - you really don't want to deal with the emotional impacts of shooting someone.

I was driving the "beater" on both occasions.Perhaps they see the smallish car as a easy target ? or perhaps they will take anyone,anytime if they get the chance.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

I posted this once in another South Africa crime thread. I attended an Emergency Medicine conference and one lecture was given by an ER doc at Chris Hani Baragwanath Hospital in Soweto. I sat at a table with docs working in trauma centers in Los Angeles and New York City. By the end of his talk, we were stunned. The violence and trauma the South African doc saw in a single day made us feel like we worked in a day care center clinic. It's an incredibly dangerous place.

I worked at Sebokeng hospital from 1993 to 1995.When doing casualty shift you had to certify the dead.Every morning around 8 ,the police van stopped and there were around 6-10 bodies in the back of the van.This was every day .

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

5cc of Succs with a 21g needle should take care of things for you nicely.
One of the female anesthesiologists I used to work with kept one in her little running fanny pack.
Attempted rape would likely be a fatal error in judgement.

5cc of Succs would do it !!

The problem is that your hands are occupied.You dont have time.If you get away (like we did) and you return (when I did the u-turn) and then do something,its not self defense anymore....The law will have a problem.Weird isn't it ??

[bayerische]

Living in one of the Safest countries in the world (where babies are left in their strollers outside café's for example, I have never been the victim of a crime of any sort) I have a hard time relating to this, although I know of the problem in SA.

A friend of mine used to live there until he was 12. The family moved to Finland due to the escalating crimes. His mother is a Finn, and his father is South African.

South Africa is a country I'd like to visit, but the crime rate is keeping me away, sadly.

Chris, welcome to the EU.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by GermanyMatt

I don't know what make/model of vehicle you drive, but you might want to think about getting a "beater" so you don't attract attention to yourself. Get a stun gun or a can of mace - you really don't want to deal with the emotional impacts of shooting someone.

The emotional impact will be nothing compared to the murder charges against you.I saw no weapons,BUT when I did the u-turn I saw the grabber had something wrapped in a plastic bag.Not sure what it was.Perhaps something to smash the window,if it wasn't slightly open or a knife,gun ? I don't know.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by bayerische

Living in one of the Safest countries in the world (where babies are left in their strollers outside café's for example, I have never been the victim of a crime of any sort) I have a hard time relating to this, although I know of the problem in SA.

A friend of mine used to live there until he was 12. The family moved to Finland due to the escalating crimes. His mother is a Finn, and his father is South African.

South Africa is a country I'd like to visit, but the crime rate is keeping me away, sadly.

Chris, welcome to the EU.

That"s the sad part,so much positives to this country,but unfortunately the negatives are getting more and more .

[AIKO]

Easy, if you can't move now you do whatever you need to do to protect yourself and your family. Not hard

[HRV]

Sorry to hear you are in the wars again Chris, glad you and your wife are ok...physically at least

[gulfstream69xr7]

You are a better man than I am. I would have run them over.

[joeychitwood]

Originally Posted by bayerische

Living in one of the Safest countries in the world (where babies are left in their strollers outside café's for example, I have never been the victim of a crime of any sort) I have a hard time relating to this, although I know of the problem in SA.

My daughter lived in downtown Turku for two years. She and her husband were amazed by the lack of crime. The absence of guns, the incredibly tough driving-under-the influence laws and safety walking around town day or night were such a huge change from the US.

[threemonkeys]

This is crazy. Glad you're fine - although you must be quite shaken.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by threemonkeys

This is crazy. Glad you're fine - although you must be quite shaken.

Not shaken,just stirred....and angry !! First my briefcase and then an attempt at my chain necklace !! Two personal items very dear to me.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by HRV

Sorry to hear you are in the wars again Chris, glad you and your wife are ok...physically at least

Tired of the wars Andrew,sick and tired of this s**t !!

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by gulfstream69xr7

You are a better man than I am. I would have run them over.

The one in the red t-shirt, coming from the left ,jumped out of the way ......

[East Bay Rider]

I wonder how many potential victims actually have the presence of mind to fight back, as you did by holding his hand and driving away. Hopefully he's nursing a sore arm/shoulder and will be less likely to be the decoy in the future.
I still say a jab to the hand with something sharp would have been just the ticket. Maybe keep something handy in the dash for the future.
Sorry you live with these constant threats.

[bayerische]

Originally Posted by joeychitwood

My daughter lived in downtown Turku for two years. She and her husband were amazed by the lack of crime. The absence of guns, the incredibly tough driving-under-the influence laws and safety walking around town day or night were such a huge change from the US.

I'm glad they had a good stay when they where here Joey.

[ROGERWILCO357]

you should have driven away going back might have ended badly for you or your wife like you said they started coming out of the woodwork and I bet you didn’t see all of them its the one you don’t see till its to late…2 strikes don’t stick around for the third event..that might be pushing it ..good luck and keep that gold chain tucked..

[SUBversive]

Sounds terrible but I can't really understand why you would have made a u turn to go back for him? He didn't get your jewelry; you pulled a stunt driver move to get away....why go back?

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by East Bay Rider

I wonder how many potential victims actually have the presence of mind to fight back, as you did by holding his hand and driving away. Hopefully he's nursing a sore arm/shoulder and will be less likely to be the decoy in the future.
I still say a jab to the hand with something sharp would have been just the ticket. Maybe keep something handy in the dash for the future.
Sorry you live with these constant threats.

No time.It happens quickly.One hand was holding onto his arm/hand and the other hand used to engage 1st gear and do the steering.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by ROGERWILCO357

you should have driven away going back might have ended badly for you or your wife like you said they started coming out of the woodwork and I bet you didn’t see all of them its the one you don’t see till its to late…2 strikes don’t stick around for the third event..that might be pushing it ..good luck and keep that gold chain tucked..

Originally Posted by SUBversive

Sounds terrible but I can't really understand why you would have made a u turn to go back for him? He didn't get your jewelry; you pulled a stunt driver move to get away....why go back?

The wisdom of the retro-spectroscope.I admit.That's the one mistake I made.

I saw coward heading for the hills and then saw three others approaching from the left.Anger made way for calm thinking and I got out of there.Anger= u-turn.

Dont freeze,dont panic,dont get angry stay calm and distance yourself from danger asap if possible.... Getting robbed 101

[hdrazor251]

Glad you won that one Chris.

It sucks to have to contemplate relocating because of the vermin.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by hdrazor251

Glad you won that one Chris.

It sucks to have to contemplate relocating because of the vermin.

My father was attacked at the post office.Hit over the head with a gun and attempted to stab him.Robbed his wallet and cellphone.2004.He was a man of 73 at that stage.
My mother was attacked in her house.Knife against her throat.Gang of 4 robbers.Robbed the house.2010.My mother was 78 at that stage.
My wife has had several attempts at her practice of robbers trying to enter the premises.
We were robbed in our house.Cleaned out the bottom,we were sleeping upstairs.4 December 2005.
My office block (was busy renovating to rent out) All the ceilings were broken and all the electrical wiring stripped.Huge damage ! 2010

This is just my family's story.I can assure you that ALL here have similar and worse to tell.

[codecow]

Why do you put up with it? We'd be glad to have you here

[hdrazor251]

Originally Posted by codecow

Why do you put up with it? We'd be glad to have you here

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