Submariner date v no date.

[GradyPhilpott]

The original Submariners did not have dates, in fact they still don't.

The Submariner Date was introduced in 1965 and is still produced today, as is the Submariner.

I prefer the Submariner, as I think that it is the purists's choice.

[charles22]

I went for the 14060M Sub mainly because it was cheaper and I am an entry level Rolex owner!

However, I consider myself lucky because it is the perfect Rolex as far as I'm concerned. It has that classic look that I love. I own other analog watches with a date function and hate having to reset it whenever, so I wasn't looking for that on my first (and likely only) Rolex. Also the the dial looks so clean without the cyclops.

But if you need the date function then that's fine too. Your choice :-)

[bde]

Just a matter of preference. I like them both, but own a date currently.

[landroverking]

Should be Sub Vs Sub date.

[T. Ferguson]

Originally Posted by sergio671980

Well said?? Wtf is the guys first post here and we gotta be all aggressive with him... Also In what world would not knowing how to call the watch disculify u from owning it? sorry but as far as i know if u can afford it then u can have wtf u want!!

Be nice to the guy he is here like all of us were here once before asking knowledgeable people for opinions and help so I don't see that post as helpful what so ever more like attacking the OP

+1, good post Sergio. Geez, what year is this, circa 1958? Because since the Sub WITH DATE came out in the late 60's it has out sold the Sub WITHOUT DATE by probably a magnitude of 10:1. So at this point in 2013 almost everyone who hears Sub thinks of the Date Sub. And BTW Jack T, if you going to be all hung up on sticking strictly to the terms used by Rolex, then stop referring to the date window as a cyclops as you have in previous posts, because Rolex doesn't call it that.

Wow, people get aggro over the silliest things.

Welcome to the forum, Wyiauta.

[joejoe1225]

I like a date function on my watch. But they are all so nice. You can't make a bad call.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by Jack T

First of all, this topic is such a softball. Really, asking people on this site to weigh in on a date feature?
Now, for a more pertinent issue, one of which you showed surprising ignorance.

There are two such watches that Rolex makes in this particular line - a Submariner and a Submariner with Date. All the promotional materials make that clear, the Rolex website makes that clear, and so do numerous posters on TRF when this topic inevitably arises. The term No Date is not used. Are we clear?

To not know or make that distinction, in my book, should disqualify a person from owning either.

THIS is a Submariner:

Yikes man, turn the volume down. You are right but a little tact....regardless, right or not walk into any AD and ask for a submariner, 9 out 10 times they'll pick up the Submariner.........with date.
I've tested this out and only at the Wempe in NYC did the gentleman ask me if I wanted the date or without, everywhere else they just assumed I wanted the date version though I only said Submariner.

I like the 114060's clean symmetry but I need a date, for a no date watch I'd look at a Pam.

[HL65]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

The original Submariners did not have dates, in fact they still don't.

The Submariner Date was introduced in 1965 and is still produced today, as is the Submariner.

I prefer the Submariner, as I think that it is the purists's choice.

Actually it was 1969 when the 1680 was first introduced which was first Sub reference with date.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

Actually it was 1969 when the 1680 was first introduced which was first Sub reference with date.

Definitely critical info for me in narrowing down a vintage Sub. Now I know I need to be looking prior to '69.
Vintage pieces break all the rules I have for admiring a watch, which is why I want a Sub from this era before date windows and everything else I like in my Deepsea, but not one of those things in a vintage.

[ec51]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Yikes man, turn the volume down. You are right but a little tact....regardless, right or not walk into any AD and ask for a submariner, 9 out 10 times they'll pick up the Submariner.........with date.
I've tested this out and only at the Wempe in NYC did the gentleman ask me if I wanted the date or without, everywhere else they just assumed I wanted the date version though I only said Submariner.

I like the 114060's clean symmetry but I need a date, for a no date watch I'd look at a Pam.

So the misinformed, unknowledgeable salesperson got you the wrong watch...

What am I missing here...?

[david9962000]

Less is more...

[crazyasian]

In all honesty, its what your job entails. I try not to be pressured by a deadline so I wear the no date. However my gf needs to keep track, so she wears/stole my sub-date hahaha.

[jshepard]

You get either a clean look or the date... I almost bought a 14060m but I bought the 39mm exp1. I think if we're to buy a sub now, I'll go with a 5513 manufactured on my birth year...

[powerband]

Originally Posted by Jack T

First of all, this topic is such a softball. Really, asking people on this site to weigh in on a date feature?
Now, for a more pertinent issue, one of which you showed surprising ignorance.

There are two such watches that Rolex makes in this particular line - a Submariner and a Submariner with Date. All the promotional materials make that clear, the Rolex website makes that clear, and so do numerous posters on TRF when this topic inevitably arises. The term No Date is not used. Are we clear?

To not know or make that distinction, in my book, should disqualify a person from owning either.

Wow. Do we members tolerate such demeaning hostility? The reality is that most people don't devote their lives to studying Rolex history, and a friendly forum like this is a good place to learn; but, an unfriendly, pompous, and insulting tone from a member like yourself gives this forum a bad image and stunts its membership growth. One can teach a member without being utterly ungraceful and insulting. Some of the world's greatest teachers are those who would never talk down to the worst students. Who do you think you are?

[sergio671980]

Originally Posted by powerband

Wow. Do we members tolerate such demeaning hostility? The reality is that most people don't devote their lives to studying Rolex history, and a friendly forum like this is a good place to learn; but, an unfriendly, pompous, and insulting tone from a member like yourself gives this forum a bad image. One can teach a member without being utterly ungraceful and insulting. Some of the world's greatest teachers are those who would never talk down on the worst students. Who do you think you are?

[powerband]

Originally Posted by ec51

So the misinformed, unknowledgeable salesperson got you the wrong watch...

What am I missing here...?

His point is that most people distinguish the Submariner as one with date and one without. Right or wrong terminologies, no one deserves to be insulted simply on the basis that they're new to the Submariner. Believe it or not, the world is bigger than RolexForums.

[powerband]

The decision between owning the Sub with date or without date comes down to your taste and your needs. If one contradicts the other, then go with the one that has precedence. In other words, my taste for symmetry and a clean dial outweighs my need for the date, so I got the Submariner.

[Greg G]

On some days I use the date feature more than the time.

And I need the cyclops because I'm getting older. Eyes aren't what they once were.

[DCheeta]

Originally Posted by powerband

Wow. Do we members tolerate such demeaning hostility? The reality is that most people don't devote their lives to studying Rolex history, and a friendly forum like this is a good place to learn; but, an unfriendly, pompous, and insulting tone from a member like yourself gives this forum a bad image and stunts its membership growth. One can teach a member without being utterly ungraceful and insulting. Some of the world's greatest teachers are those who would never talk down on the worst students. Who do you think you are?

Yes! Well said!

When I first decided that I wanted a Rolex all those years ago, I hated the cyclops, so I got a 14060. Now it has grown on me somewhat, but I still think that the clean dial of the models with no date (Explorer, Sub, Daytona, etc) are more to my liking, and for me that outweighs knowing the date.

[Jidonsu]

I like my 114060 over the 116610 I had because of the symmetry. Plus, they seem less common.

[mdtddd2007]

Both nice!

[SJCal90]

No date looks cleaner, but I like the extra functionality of the date.

[sea-dweller]

I need the date function and love the cyclops.

[LWRN]

Originally Posted by Greg G

On some days I use the date feature more than the time.

So do I, Submariner Date.

[Jannal]

If you don't need a date, get the Sub No Date.
Also it's cheaper than the Sub With Date.

[bplein]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Yikes man, turn the volume down. You are right but a little tact....regardless, right or not walk into any AD and ask for a submariner, 9 out 10 times they'll pick up the Submariner.........with date.
I've tested this out and only at the Wempe in NYC did the gentleman ask me if I wanted the date or without, everywhere else they just assumed I wanted the date version though I only said Submariner.

Like traveling in the US South. If you order iced tea, you get "sweet tea", iced tea heavily sweetened with sugar. If you want plain iced tea, you need to ask for "iced tea, unsweet". Analogous to "Sub, No Date".

;)

[Rock]

A date is a great thing to have on a watch - I would have many occasions every week when I would reference it.
The Submariner looks so great without it however. All about symmetry and simplicity.
Purely in terms of the look of the face, the SD is the best compromise between style and functionality.

[beshannon]

Originally Posted by Jack T

To not know or make that distinction, in my book, should disqualify a person from owning either.

Ok I threw mine away, thanks for informing me.

[jshepard]

It's funny how people get so belligerent with the who Sub, Sub ND thing... Yet it's okay to go around use terms like Hulk, Smurf, Polar, Fat Lady, Batman, Bruiser, Coke, Pepsi, Rootbeer, President... Terms which are clearly not on the Rolex Website... Everytime I go on the official Rolex site, it says Day-Date NOT President. But I don't go around making a big deal out of it because its a common term that is being used. Since I joined last year people have always been using Sub ND, its okay to disagree using the nickname but there's no need for anyone to go around calling people ignorant or any other condescending terms.

[improviz]

Originally Posted by beshannon

Ok I threw mine away, thanks for informing me.

He should throw his away as well, it would seem:

Originally Posted by Jack T

...and that is why I got the Sub ND ;)