Newbie here and help needed HESS AUCTION

[cajunron]

Originally Posted by kilyung

Nothing wrong with the watch from your pics except dial and price IMO.

This,

Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

Personally, I'd not go for a Rolex with a fake dial.

An aftermarket dial would NOT have the Rolex crown or wording.

It's a fake dial, plain and simple.

To me, the watch is worth a complete example, less the cost of a genuine dial and fitting costs, less a "what else is wrong?" amount.

It would have to be so much cheaper than $5k, for me.

This,

Originally Posted by crowncollection

Fake dial


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And this. There ARE some reputable sellers on Ebay, you just have to do your homework. Check the feedback. Check references, buy the seller, and know WHEN to walk away.

[scottb2]

the dial is no big deal - watch looks ok - i may have a dial - PM me

[springer]

Originally Posted by scottb2

the dial is no big deal - watch looks ok - i may have a dial - PM me

Want to buy my old double-red SeaDweller with an aftermarket dial!!!!

[TempoKing]

If you bought from Hess fine auctions on 1131 4th Street North, St. Petersburg, FL 33701
The watch is original Rolex and the dial is custom made as per Hesse's description.
which is worth between 250 and 400 dollars...there is an industry with custom made
Rolex accessories and many buyers would buy a custom made diamond dial or diamond bezel
To buy a new Rolex regular dial will cost you around 400 to 600 dollars and about 50 to fit
The value of the watch you bought is between 4600 and 5200 and in my opinion
You paid within this price...providing the bracelet is original Rolex as I can not tell from the picture
I assume it is

[CrownMe]

Watch is not fake from what I see. Just aftermarket dial which was clearly in the ad. 5k is pretty pricey without the original dial and box and papers. But u can easily find a dial and box set on this forum. Hope you can ignore the negative responses and learn from the experience. Ask questions beforehand and Buy the Seller. Goodluck and welcome to the forum.

[dysondiver]

i actually quite like it ,,,, its sort of yachtmaster looking , and a wee bit different... not unlike a pic of a meteorite sub i once saw.

[Grissom]

Originally Posted by Andygen

Hi all, I just purchase this watch from Ebay, without reading the fine print I paid for a 16610 Z series Submariner, the watch actually comes with a aftermarket customs dial, although I think I got a deal at 5,000USD. Can guys here advise the following?

1) Is it possible to find a original factory black dial? New or Used (Yr 2004 above), and how much?
2) How much do you guys think this fake aftermarket dial cost?
3) How much will this watch worth with this fake dial?
4) Does this watch looks genuine?

Sorry for asking too much questions here. Any help will be appreciated!
Thanks

I think the real issue, in your particular case, Andygen, (Hess eBay auction thoughts and commentary aside...), is evident within the first 14 words of your post, as bolded and underlined above....."....without reading the fine print......" and as such, the lesson to be learned is to, at the very least, read the entire auction listing carefully, before placing a bid or making a purchase. Don't let your emotions get the better of you, or think you have to move so quickly (if it looks like an error, or just a smoking deal), for most of the time, that is when we get into trouble.

Take your time, and "vet" the item.....investigate BEFORE you purchase, and be willing to lose a deal today, in order to save yourself from a potential bad deal, as new things will always come our way, that we like just as much.

Sorry to hear that you bought something which, in retrospect, you really wouldn't have, had you been more thorough, but all in all it may turn out to be a cheap lesson, looking back.....if it prevents you from making similar and potentially more costly such mistakes in the future!

And, of course, welcome to TRF.

[springer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by MonBK View Post
Of course it's not a fake, Jeff Hess would never sell that.

The watch has an aftermarket dial (which he repeated 3 times) that you obviously must have liked when you bid on it.

Enjoy your watch.


MonBK, I have a little different perspective than you regarding this Hess ebay auction if the auction description is as it has been described here in other posts.

You might want to do a search on hessfineauctions who have been the subject of several threads here on TRF regarding misrepresented ebay auctions concerning Rolex watches!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So yes, their auction company would and did sell a counterfeit, trademark-infringed dial on this watch. It doesn't matter that he said it was aftermarket, I don't believe that they have been authorized by Rolex to sell watches with dials containing trademarks that are aftermarket, non-Rolex, counterfeit or whatever phrase you choose to use in this case. Of course none of the other sellers on ebay have been authorized by Rolex to sell these non-genuine, trademark infringed parts either. It happens quite often on ebay, even though some ebayers list these dials as aftermarket instead of the the correct term of counterfeit. Regarding this auction by hessfineauctions, it was nice of them to at least alert the buying public that the dial was not genuine. Also, Oyster is trademarked by Rolex, so if the bracelet on the watch doesn't contain all the proper Rolex markings, and is just generic and plain, I believe that calling it an Oyster-style bracelet would be proper.

Personally, I would expect more from hessfineauctions and do not care to see them selling this counterfeit on ebay, but he has a track record here in previous threads so I am not surprised.

I would take the watch to a RSC and have them replace the dial. It will probably be less expensive there than buying one on the secondary market or return it back to the seller and file a dispute with paypal.

Here are a few threads from past concerns regarding hessfineauctions:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...ssfineauctions

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...ssfineauctions

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...ssfineauctions

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...ssfineauctions

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...ssfineauctions

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...ssfineauctions

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=284433

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...ssfineauctions

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...ssfineauctions

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...ssfineauctions

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...ssfineauctions

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...ssfineauctions

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...ssfineauctions

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...ssfineauctions


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[CrownMe]

Watch is fine....has a aftermarket dial.

[TimeToGo]

As discussed - Dial is aftermarket, non-original, and thus trademark infringement.

IMO the bezel insert is also aftermarket, non-original and thus FAKE!

[tudorman8276]

...Andygen, can you post a link to the watch in question????

...since this is such a recent thread, you should be able to post the link.

[TimeToGo]

Stan, this should be it:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/16610-Genuin...-/331006216562

[springer]

Originally there was a question regarding the Oyster bracelet. Based on the photos in the auction, the bracelet appears genuine - of course the dial is not genuine.

[rmfnla]

Anyone else want add that the dial is not original..?

[springer]

Originally Posted by rmfnla

Anyone else want add that the dial is not original..?

What's the point?

[rmfnla]

Originally Posted by springer

What's the point?

Did you really not get that I was being sarcastic..?

[springer]

Originally Posted by rmfnla

Did you really not get that I was being sarcastic..?

Here is another dial issue and this is not sarcasm!

Another "Hess mess" on ebay - this time it is a Tudor.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=315060


I still can't get over all the problems at hessfineauctions. Over a dozen threads on hessfineauctions and probably more - and this is just on TRF.

[mrbill2mrbill2]

Hess auctions. Sorry but that was your first mistake. Do a search and you will see.

[springer]

Originally Posted by mrbill2mrbill2

Hess auctions. Sorry but that was your first mistake. Do a search and you will see.

Bill, where you been? I haven't seen you post for a while.

jP

[Andygen]

As discussed - Dial is aftermarket, non-original, and thus trademark infringement???

[TimeToGo]

Originally Posted by Andygen

As discussed - Dial is aftermarket, non-original, and thus trademark infringement???

In Layman's term -

NON ORIGINAL = FAKE

[RolexWatcher]

I think TempoKing answered all your questions.

Just FYI, Hess Fine Auctions deals with Rolex watches that are part genuine and part "aftermarket". Avoid them next time if you want genuine stuff. Much better sellers around.