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armypilot · 4 February 2008, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by DC watchman

Your lack of knowledge and arrogance in assuming Omega pays for product placement on manned space missions is mind blowing.

Forget the 'will having a Rolex get me chicks??" posts. This is now the dumbest post I have ever seen on any watch forum.

I second that! Wish some people would do a little research before posting personal opinions as fact.

Subfiend · 4 February 2008, 06:58 AM

I also know three shuttle astronauts. All wore Omegas on multiple missions (nine or ten between the three of them). Two performed EVAs, on which they wore Speedys. One of these two currently wears a Rolex and has been on the Jury for the Rolex Awards for Enterprise.

We are pretty serious about this issue in my house. So much so that when I took my young son to the X-PRIZE winning flight of SpaceShipOne, he insisted on wearing his Dad's "Moon Watch."

StanGMT · 4 February 2008, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by directioneng

IMO the test results backed the decision to use Omega.

http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/moonmovement.html

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Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

The Daytona chronograph used back then actually failed all tests.

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Originally Posted by Alcan

Omega didn't pay anyone anything. NASA bought several brands of watches, tested them all, and they all failed except the Omega.

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Originally Posted by Baptistman

They were all aquired from retail shops and all went through the same batch of tests for which the speedy came through. I do believe that Jack Swiggert wore a GMT. I am also led to believe that the Omegas thereafter were supplied virtually FOC.

Today Timex and Casio are used but still only Omega are authorised by NASA for EVA's.

Hi All,

I'm finding this very interesting. But can any of you tell me - just what were the 'tests' that NASA conducted - what sort of performance indicators did they scrutinise and what were their criteria? I can imagine some of the tests - timekeeping accuracy; reliability; robustness/shock resistance; radiation tolerance; extreme temperature tolerance and bracelet integrity. Have I missed much?

Stan.

mike · 4 February 2008, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by StanGMT

Hi All,

I'm finding this very interesting. But can any of you tell me - just what were the 'tests' that NASA conducted - what sort of performance indicators did they scrutinise and what were their criteria? I can imagine some of the tests - timekeeping accuracy; reliability; robustness/shock resistance; radiation tolerance; extreme temperature tolerance and bracelet integrity. Have I missed much?

Stan.

Check here Stan,

Click on NASA

http://www.lesmala.net/jean-michel/speedmaster/

Letsgodiving · 4 February 2008, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by StanGMT

Hi All,

I'm finding this very interesting. But can any of you tell me - just what were the 'tests' that NASA conducted - what sort of performance indicators did they scrutinise and what were their criteria? I can imagine some of the tests - timekeeping accuracy; reliability; robustness/shock resistance; radiation tolerance; extreme temperature tolerance and bracelet integrity. Have I missed much?

Stan.

This site also lists the tests.

http://www.classicwristwatch.com/Wat...In%20Space.htm

Letsgodiving · 4 February 2008, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mike

Check here Stan,

Click on NASA

http://www.lesmala.net/jean-michel/speedmaster/

Wow. Everything you could ever want to know about the Speedmaster. Great site!

StanGMT · 4 February 2008, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by mike

Check here Stan,

Click on NASA

http://www.lesmala.net/jean-michel/speedmaster/

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Originally Posted by Letsgodiving

This site also lists the tests.

http://www.classicwristwatch.com/Wat...In%20Space.htm

Thanks - those test situations aren't your typical 'going to the shops' conditions, are they?! It's common knowledge extreme temperatures and vacuum will be encountered on space missions, but it's only when you see the test results that you get a real feel for just how unforgiving and damaging the conditions are.

Alcan · 4 February 2008, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by StanGMT

it's only when you see the test results that you get a real feel for just how unforgiving and damaging the conditions are.

Yep, and the only watch that didn't break was the Omega.

mikey · 4 February 2008, 12:47 PM

I agree with Padi on a old post so long ago bringing interest but the Daytona used probably had a Zenith or ETA based movement and improvements to the movement had not been made during its evolution.I recalled auction for the first Daytona worn in space and sold for serious cheese.

Alcan · 4 February 2008, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mikey

the Daytona used probably had a Zenith or ETA based movement and improvements to the movement had not been made during its evolution.

the movement wasn't the issue. The second hand warped and bound up.

Trurolexer · 4 February 2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DC watchman

Your lack of knowledge and arrogance in assuming Omega pays for product placement on manned space missions is mind blowing.

Forget the 'will having a Rolex get me chicks??" posts. This is now the dumbest post I have ever seen on any watch forum.

C'mon don't be so angry, Man. Just for killing time thread. I already said before i like Speedy too, and considering to buy one in the future, specially the Speedmaster Pro 50th Anni is a GREAT looking watch. All I want to say is "if" NASA do some tests again today, maybe Daytona or Breitling Navitimer can pass the tests too. Ok Bro?

Trurolexer · 4 February 2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mike

Two beauties!

That 16750 is fantastic!!

Second that!!! Looooveeeee your GMT 16750!!!
JD don't take this thread so serious. DON'T GET ME WRONG, I like Speedy too. Just don't really like their claim "The First Watch...". And that's normal I think, like I know some Omega fans don't like our "Superlative Chronometer Officially Certified" writting. Don't be so serious. Just stupid thread, Ok?

Alcan · 4 February 2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Trurolexer

Just don't really like their claim "The First Watch...".

It isn't a claim, it's a documented fact.

timetravel125 · 4 February 2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Trurolexer

I agree when Speedy said "The First Watch Worn In The Moon", but I think today not just Speedy can wear in the moon. Other watches such Daytona can do it too. I said about today not the past. If NASA do some tests again today, maybe Daytona or maybe some Breitling chrono can win the tests too. Just my opinion.

I can tell that you are a Rolex diehard.

But, as you can read from the differentr replies, Omega is also an excellent watch. Omega also has an storied history. We cannot alter History.

Trurolexer · 4 February 2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by timetravel125

I can tell that you are a Rolex diehard.

But, as you can read from the differentr replies, Omega is also an excellent watch. Omega also has an storied history. We cannot alter History.

Yeah maybe I'm the Rolex Diehard, that's why my nick name is Trurolexer, right? lol!!! I appreciate OMEGA history of course, the fact they more older from Rolex. Like I appreciate Omega history, then please appreciate my opinion too, Ok Guys? Sorry to all Omega fans, I really don't mean it.

Tools · 4 February 2008, 02:06 PM

Here is an interesting and well researched article on the Moon Watch Speedy's.

I apologise if it has been posted earlier here.

It is also clear that some of the astronauts use a Rolex as their personal time-piece.

It's also pretty clear that the Omega Speedmaster, as issued, is part of the uniform equipment for certain designated mission actions.

http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/moonmovement.html

Oh, and I almost forgot.....here is the backside of my personal Speedy:

armypilot · 4 February 2008, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Trurolexer

Second that!!! Looooveeeee your GMT 16750!!!
JD don't take this thread so serious. DON'T GET ME WRONG, I like Speedy too. Just don't really like their claim "The First Watch...". And that's normal I think, like I know some Omega fans don't like our "Superlative Chronometer Officially Certified" writting. Don't be so serious. Just stupid thread, Ok?

I understand, but the reason Omega makes that claim is that it is true. The Omega Speedmaster Professional was the watch worn on the moon from the first through the last moon missions. Now there has always been some debate as to whether any of the astronauts that were involved in the moon EVA's ever actually wore another watch besides their Speedy's. Doubtful, as their Speedmasters were worn on an extremely long velcro strap that went around the arm of their pressure suit and all existing/published photos show only the Speedmasters being worn. And if the astronauts had been photographed wearing a non authorized piece of equipment, they would have been in direct violation of NASA policy and procedure. Doubtful that any of the Apollo astronauts would risk something like that due to the high visibilty of these missions. Thank you for bringing this topic up, I am sure there are plenty that have read his thread that did not know.

JBat · 4 February 2008, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Trurolexer

Yeah maybe I'm the Rolex Diehard, that's why my nick name is Trurolexer, right? lol!!! I appreciate OMEGA history of course, the fact they more older from Rolex. Like I appreciate Omega history, then please appreciate my opinion too, Ok Guys? Sorry to all Omega fans, I really don't mean it.

Dude, just let it go. You got called on your

Trurolexer · 4 February 2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JBat

Dude, just let it go. You got called on your

I'm not bullsh!tting...Sorry...

Earl Camembert · 4 February 2008, 03:05 PM

Get those sides trimmed solider. That blue uniform is making you soft

Earl Camembert · 4 February 2008, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Trurolexer

I appreciate OMEGA history of course, the fact they more older from Rolex.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Omega became a Swatch in the dark days of mechanical watches in the early 70s.

The best thing about Omega is Anna.

Trurolexer · 4 February 2008, 03:37 PM

ABSOLUTELY 100% agree with you about Anna, BRO!!!

Remember2 · 4 February 2008, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Trurolexer

Hi, I don't think so. I don't like their propaganda "The First and ONLY Yadda Yadda In The Moon"!!! That's too much for me!!! I believe Daytona more good than Speedy specially in the movement. Do you guys agree? Why NASA until now only used Omega Speedy for their "mission"? Maybe because Omega "pay more" than Rolex do with their Daytona. I think if NASA do experience again between Speedy and Daytona, maybe Daytona can win the title, right guys? What do you think about that? Do you think the title "The First and ONLY..." is too much for you too? Please your opinion here. Thanks Guys.

P.S: Don't get me wrong I like Omega and Speedy too, I just don't agree if Omega claim their Speedy the only one can wear in moon.

Best Regards, TR.

Dude! ...dry your eyes, and buy one of these:

http://www.gasgasbones.com/page15.html

Gedanken · 4 February 2008, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Trurolexer

Hi, I don't think so. I don't like their propaganda "The First and ONLY Yadda Yadda In The Moon"!!! That's too much for me!!! I believe Daytona more good than Speedy specially in the movement. Do you guys agree? Why NASA until now only used Omega Speedy for their "mission"? Maybe because Omega "pay more" than Rolex do with their Daytona. I think if NASA do experience again between Speedy and Daytona, maybe Daytona can win the title, right guys? What do you think about that? Do you think the title "The First and ONLY..." is too much for you too? Please your opinion here. Thanks Guys.

P.S: Don't get me wrong I like Omega and Speedy too, I just don't agree if Omega claim their Speedy the only one can wear in moon.

Best Regards,

TR.

Uh dude, the statement in red is what most of the guys are objecting to. Omega passed all of the tests while the others didn't and it won fair and square, so implying that Omega bought off NASA is really an unfair accusation whether you meant it or not. I'd recommend retracting that statement.

As for a modern-day match-up, it's a bit of a moot point IMHO - it's kinda like trying to debate if Schumacher was better than Clark.

ROLEX MAN · 4 February 2008, 08:20 PM

Because I won't fly to the moon!

I'd rather have my s/s daytona it has more to do with motor racing than moon travel

Trurolexer · 4 February 2008, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Gedanken

Uh dude, the statement in red is what most of the guys are objecting to. Omega passed all of the tests while the others didn't and it won fair and square, so implying that Omega bought off NASA is really an unfair accusation whether you meant it or not. I'd recommend retracting that statement.

As for a modern-day match-up, it's a bit of a moot point IMHO - it's kinda like trying to debate if Schumacher was better than Clark.

Ok, I'm sorry about that. But I think that just my opinion, no need somebody here said about dumbest thread or lack of knowledge whatsoever. Arrogance? Me? I don't think so! I'm just dumbest man. Why I'm in this Forum? Because I'm lack of knowledge, that's why I'm here. I need to learn more from you guys about watches specially about Rolex knowledge. Or I'm in the wrong Forum? This is not Omega Forum, right? Or I'm wrong? J/K...

Trurolexer · 4 February 2008, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ROLEX MAN

Because I won't fly to the moon!

I'd rather have my s/s daytona it has more to do with motor racing than moon travel

No comment, I'm just the dumbest man...lol!!!

Gedanken · 4 February 2008, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Trurolexer

Ok, I'm sorry about that. But I think that just my opinion, no need somebody here said about dumbest thread or lack of knowledge whatsoever. Arrogance? Me? I don't think so! I'm just dumbest man. Why I'm in this Forum? Because I'm lack of knowledge, that's why I'm here. I need to learn more from you guys about watches specially about Rolex knowledge. Or I'm in the wrong Forum? This is not Omega Forum, right? Or I'm wrong? J/K...

It's a bit more than an opinion, Tru - the way it's phrased, it's an accusation and that's what's upset some of the guys. Anyway, you've apologised and I hope everyone can now leave it be.

Trurolexer · 4 February 2008, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Gedanken

It's a bit more than an opinion, Tru - the way it's phrased, it's an accusation and that's what's upset some of the guys. Anyway, you've apologised and I hope everyone can now leave it be.

Ok, thanks man.

Earl Camembert · 5 February 2008, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Trurolexer

Ok, I'm sorry about that. But I think that just my opinion, no need somebody here said about dumbest thread or lack of knowledge whatsoever. Arrogance? Me? I don't think so! I'm just dumbest man. Why I'm in this Forum? Because I'm lack of knowledge, that's why I'm here. I need to learn more from you guys about watches specially about Rolex knowledge. Or I'm in the wrong Forum? This is not Omega Forum, right? Or I'm wrong? J/K...

Take comfort in the fact that Bond wears an Omega because Omega bought him off.

4 February 2008, 02:06 PM	#46
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,515	Here is an interesting and well researched article on the Moon Watch Speedy's. I apologise if it has been posted earlier here. It is also clear that some of the astronauts use a Rolex as their personal time-piece. It's also pretty clear that the Omega Speedmaster, as issued, is part of the uniform equipment for certain designated mission actions. http://home.xnet.com/~cmaddox/moonmovement.html Oh, and I almost forgot.....here is the backside of my personal Speedy: __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

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Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	100% Agree... ABSOLUTELY 100% agree with you about Anna, BRO!!!

4 February 2008, 06:58 AM	#32
Subfiend "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Outside Watch: Isn't it obvious? Posts: 1,926	I also know three shuttle astronauts. All wore Omegas on multiple missions (nine or ten between the three of them). Two performed EVAs, on which they wore Speedys. One of these two currently wears a Rolex and has been on the Jury for the Rolex Awards for Enterprise. We are pretty serious about this issue in my house. So much so that when I took my young son to the X-PRIZE winning flight of SpaceShipOne, he insisted on wearing his Dad's "Moon Watch."

4 February 2008, 12:47 PM	#39
mikey "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: USA Watch: Oysterdate 6694 Posts: 2,713	I agree with Padi on a old post so long ago bringing interest but the Daytona used probably had a Zenith or ETA based movement and improvements to the movement had not been made during its evolution.I recalled auction for the first Daytona worn in space and sold for serious cheese.

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