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SearChart · 5 December 2013, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by East Bay Rider

A bit drastic IMO.

I'm sorry if I offended you, it was just a joke.

I should have used the J/K smiley.

brandrea · 4 December 2013, 09:40 PM

Personally, I would not wear loafers with a suit. A casual jacket and pants yes, but a suit no.

cop414 · 4 December 2013, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Lisa

Old schooler here. Loafers would be fine with a sport coat and khaki pants kind of pairing, but with a suit, something like cap-toe or wingtip oxford would look best.

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Originally Posted by warren G.

I wouldn't do it personally. But to be honest, I've seen worse.

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Originally Posted by elcompa

Suit = No

Sport coat and dress pants = Yes

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Originally Posted by threemonkeys

A little too casual with a suit for me. Sports jacket no tie would work.

Have to agree with the above, two things that I always look at when someone is wearing a suit... shoes and watch, these tell a lot. Loafers with a suit is a no no in my opinion. Loafers with a casual looking sportcoat would be fine though. Maybe not the opinions you wanted but you asked!

HL65 · 4 December 2013, 10:23 PM

Not for me as I personally only wear dress shoes with suit. If it makes you happy though go for it as to each their own. Cheers,

gmlomas · 4 December 2013, 10:27 PM

I don't these are a great example. However, I am surprise to see so many would only wear shoes with laces or buckle with a suit.

dddrees · 4 December 2013, 10:38 PM

Nope, nope, nope, and finally Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

BarkMaster · 4 December 2013, 10:59 PM

It either shows a lack of sophistication or contempt for standards to pair the wrong shoes. If that is the image you want to project at your place of business, go for it. Dress for the position you want; not the one you have.

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

We're talking style, not fashion.

This

Fashion is intended to stand out from the sartorial standards.

Honestly, why do you think they are called "loafers"? Embellishments such as tassels do not "dress" them up for business.

Lisa · 4 December 2013, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BarkMaster

It either shows a lack of sophistication or contempt for standards to pair the wrong shoes. If that is the image you want to project at your place of business, go for it. Dress for the position you want; not the one you have.

This

Fashion is intended to stand out from the sartorial standards.

Honestly, why do you think they are called "loafers"? Embellishments such as tassels do not "dress" them up for business.

Agree. If dressing correctly matters to you, then there are definitely standards. If it doesn't matter and you don't care what others think, then dress however you like.

cop414 · 4 December 2013, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by BarkMaster

It either shows a lack of sophistication or contempt for standards to pair the wrong shoes. If that is the image you want to project at your place of business, go for it. Dress for the position you want; not the one you have.

This

Fashion is intended to stand out from the sartorial standards.

Honestly, why do you think they are called "loafers"? Embellishments such as tassels do not "dress" them up for business.

Very, very well said. Reminds me of a statement made by a very "professional" instructor in a class that I had taken years ago. He said, "Men, it really doesn't matter who's wrong and who's right... the best show usually wins". Dress for success, clothes make the man, that sort of thing.

East Bay Rider · 5 December 2013, 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by BarkMaster

It either shows a lack of sophistication or contempt for standards...

This is exactly right and extremely well stated because there is a distinct difference. They are two sides of the coin.
One cannot ever be blamed for lack of sophistication because it can only come from lack of exposure to people who can advise in these things. Accepting that, it must also be that the person who has been educated in matters but openly chooses not to participate according to the established rules is doing so purposefully.
I commend the OP for asking here on TRF because here we are able to rub elbows with people of different backgrounds and can be exposed to information that may seem basic to some but are unknown to others. To some, loafers and wing tips may all fall under the "dress shoes" umbrella and it's good to have the differences explained.

T. Ferguson · 5 December 2013, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BarkMaster

It either shows a lack of sophistication or contempt for standards to pair the wrong shoes. If that is the image you want to project at your place of business, go for it. Dress for the position you want; not the one you have...

...Honestly, why do you think they are called "loafers"? Embellishments such as tassels do not "dress" them up for business.

Years ago when I was still relatively young in my career in banking, I had a boss who was both a visionary and a mentor to me. I noticed whenever he met someone he would glance at their shoes. After one such occasion I asked him why he did this and he said "Because it tells you something about the man, his respect for himself and the position of the people around him, and whether or not he's a man that pays attention to details."

Agree. Loafers with a suit and tie is even less appropriate than a suit without pant cuffs, and imho all suits should have cuffs unless it's a tux. Of course, every suit in my closet except my tuxes have pleated pants. Yeah I know, it's been a while, LOL. But back when I wore a suit every day they pretty much all had pleats.

Think maybe I'll go buy a new suit. But pleated or flat front, it still will probably get cuffs and I'll wear lace ups with it.

77T · 4 December 2013, 10:53 PM

The question is too broad for a "yes/no" answer.

If the situation is business casual - say "no-tie" but a suit, then works for me.
If a formal suit & tie meeting, laced shoes are a safer bet.

The tasseled J&M loafer was a Southern favorite in the best boardrooms for decades and still holds court among the legal set as mentioned earlier.

And finally, if you're running around with such an uptight group in situations that beg the question, change the scene out for a better group. After all, life is too short to be uptight - especially in SoCal!

accce · 4 December 2013, 10:57 PM

NO go unless your 16 years old.

gmlomas · 4 December 2013, 11:29 PM

Sorry guys have to strongly disagree

69mach351 · 5 December 2013, 02:31 AM

Nope. I would however we a "monk" style shoe, which can be a slip on or have a buckle or two. They tend to go higher up on the foot than a traditional loafer. If you want to go real modern, I have seen slip-on boots. I have never done that though.

azguy · 5 December 2013, 02:33 AM

If you have a tie on. no loafers.....no tie and they are Ok in my book....

HL65 · 5 December 2013, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by azguy

If you have a tie on. no loafers.....no tie and they are Ok in my book....

For me has nothing to do with tie as I also wear tie with casual wear at times. It has everything to do with suit. Again fine for me with sports coat and slacks but not with more formal wear as in suit.

subtona · 5 December 2013, 03:03 AM

Now that you asked, i had to think about it, im not a loafer guy they never seem to fit me well..

I would say no because the loafer would be more apt to have the pant leg get caught behind the tongue than a lace up... That could also look sloppy and show unintentional sock

crew · 5 December 2013, 03:42 AM

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Originally Posted by subtona

Now that you asked, i had to think about it, im not a loafer guy they never seem to fit me well..

I would say no because the loafer would be more apt to have the pant leg get caught behind the tongue than a lace up... That could also look sloppy and show unintentional sock

"Unintentional sock".
Great line Gus! Sounds almost Seinfeld'ish.

Lisa · 5 December 2013, 05:56 AM

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Originally Posted by crew

"Unintentional sock".
Great line Gus! Sounds almost Seinfeld'ish.

Absolutely Seinfeldish. Seinfeldesque?

incontrol · 5 December 2013, 05:00 AM

I too needed to think about this loafers vs dress shoes with a suite. As much as I like to think I am a non conformist, I always wear lace up shoes with a suite. I am thinking now about adding a "monk" style pair of shoes!

Reu · 5 December 2013, 05:27 AM

My popularity here is going to go though the roof with this comment...

Firstly, I'm not sure if asking on this particular forum (given some of the photos I've seen on the attire thread) is really seeking good advice.

Secondly, from a European point of view, particularly London, it is acceptable to wear loafers.

Thirdly, I think there is a massive difference to English tailoring to that of what you'd see in the US.

Fourthly, no one has even mentioned that the type of loafers you are showing are a moccasin style, and you can get more formal looking versions. In fact I sport a formal tasseled version myself quite often for work (in addition to brogues, derbys and oxfords).

Just my opinion!

Vincent65 · 5 December 2013, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Reu

Fourthly, no one has even mentioned that the type of loafers you are showing are a moccasin style, and you can get more formal looking versions. In fact I sport a formal tasseled version myself quite often for work (in addition to brogues, derbys and oxfords).

Just my opinion!

Erm… I said it in post 19.

Reu · 5 December 2013, 06:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Vincent65

Erm… I said it in post 19.

Erm.... Ok.

Chill.

Vincent65 · 5 December 2013, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Reu

Erm.... Ok.

Chill.

You chill, I'm fine.

Reu · 5 December 2013, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Vincent65

You chill, I'm fine.

gmlomas · 5 December 2013, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Reu

My popularity here is going to go though the roof with this comment...

Firstly, I'm not sure if asking on this particular forum (given some of the photos I've seen on the attire thread) is really seeking good advice.

Secondly, from a European point of view, particularly London, it is acceptable to wear loafers.

Thirdly, I think there is a massive difference to English tailoring to that of what you'd see in the US.

Fourthly, no one has even mentioned that the type of loafers you are showing are a moccasin style, and you can get more formal looking versions. In fact I sport a formal tasseled version myself quite often for work (in addition to brogues, derbys and oxfords).

Just my opinion!

Yes, this is exactly the case. There are loafers and loafers. If you were Churchs Keat Loafers this is what bankers and executives where in all main European cities...believe me.

It seems like a lot of opinions come from people who may not were suits that often anymore. Again, if this is for a once off then sure put on some nice Alden oxfords but for the day to day there no harm o some dress loafers or monk-shoes

Anyway, just my personal view. I have lived in the US many years and understand some differences. Also better to more dresses then less.

Cheers

Art 1 · 5 December 2013, 06:06 AM

I would not wear loafers with a suit, that would be as bad as wearing a Rolex sports watch with a suit.

Lisa · 5 December 2013, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Art 1

I would not wear loafers with a suit, that would be as bad as wearing a Rolex sports watch with a suit.

People do it (even Prince William), and defend it, but I'm with you on this one.

Vincent65 · 5 December 2013, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Art 1

I would not wear loafers with a suit, that would be as bad as wearing a Rolex sports watch with a suit.

Terrible sacrilege! What was Ian Fleming thinking...

4 December 2013, 10:23 PM	#4
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,008	Not for me as I personally only wear dress shoes with suit. If it makes you happy though go for it as to each their own. Cheers, __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

4 December 2013, 10:38 PM	#6
dddrees "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Dan Location: USA Watch: This N That Posts: 34,253	Nope, nope, nope, and finally Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!! __________________ When it captures your imagination, that's when you know you have found your passion. Loyal Foot Soldier of The Nylon Nation. Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

4 December 2013, 10:53 PM	#12
77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 42,017	The question is too broad for a "yes/no" answer. If the situation is business casual - say "no-tie" but a suit, then works for me. If a formal suit & tie meeting, laced shoes are a safer bet. The tasseled J&M loafer was a Southern favorite in the best boardrooms for decades and still holds court among the legal set as mentioned earlier. And finally, if you're running around with such an uptight group in situations that beg the question, change the scene out for a better group. After all, life is too short to be uptight - especially in SoCal! __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

5 December 2013, 03:03 AM	#18
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,599	Now that you asked, i had to think about it, im not a loafer guy they never seem to fit me well.. I would say no because the loafer would be more apt to have the pant leg get caught behind the tongue than a lace up... That could also look sloppy and show unintentional sock __________________

5 December 2013, 05:00 AM	#21
incontrol "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Kevin Location: Somewhere in PA Watch: All of them... Posts: 10,355	I too needed to think about this loafers vs dress shoes with a suite. As much as I like to think I am a non conformist, I always wear lace up shoes with a suite. I am thinking now about adding a "monk" style pair of shoes! __________________ Patek Philippe Rolex

4 December 2013, 09:40 PM	#2
brandrea 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 78,126	Personally, I would not wear loafers with a suit. A casual jacket and pants yes, but a suit no.

4 December 2013, 10:27 PM	#5
gmlomas Banned Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Guillermo Location: Bangkok Watch: IWC, PAM, Rolex Posts: 310	I don't these are a great example. However, I am surprise to see so many would only wear shoes with laces or buckle with a suit.

4 December 2013, 10:57 PM	#13
accce "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Chevy Chase Watch: WG Daytona Posts: 1,088	NO go unless your 16 years old.

4 December 2013, 11:29 PM	#14
gmlomas Banned Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Guillermo Location: Bangkok Watch: IWC, PAM, Rolex Posts: 310	Sorry guys have to strongly disagree

5 December 2013, 02:31 AM	#15
69mach351 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Midwest Watch: 116900 Posts: 1,066	Nope. I would however we a "monk" style shoe, which can be a slip on or have a buckle or two. They tend to go higher up on the foot than a traditional loafer. If you want to go real modern, I have seen slip-on boots. I have never done that though.

5 December 2013, 02:33 AM	#16
azguy Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: ------- Location: ------- Watch: --------- Posts: 12,609	If you have a tie on. no loafers.....no tie and they are Ok in my book....

5 December 2013, 05:27 AM	#22
Reu Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: London Posts: 1,152	My popularity here is going to go though the roof with this comment... Firstly, I'm not sure if asking on this particular forum (given some of the photos I've seen on the attire thread) is really seeking good advice. Secondly, from a European point of view, particularly London, it is acceptable to wear loafers. Thirdly, I think there is a massive difference to English tailoring to that of what you'd see in the US. Fourthly, no one has even mentioned that the type of loafers you are showing are a moccasin style, and you can get more formal looking versions. In fact I sport a formal tasseled version myself quite often for work (in addition to brogues, derbys and oxfords). Just my opinion!

5 December 2013, 06:06 AM	#28
Art 1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Florida, Canada Watch: Rol/Seik/Tud/Omega Posts: 30,244	I would not wear loafers with a suit, that would be as bad as wearing a Rolex sports watch with a suit.

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