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Old 29 April 2014, 11:48 AM   #31
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Love the old the new and in between! Every Rolex speaks for itself! Good luck on your hunt for a vintage piece, make sure you post when you find your beauty!
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Old 29 April 2014, 12:12 PM   #32
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I like the new watches with the modern updates and upgrades.
Can't call my 14060m vintage, it was one of the last made before the ceramic/maxi case/hefty clasp and bracelet. Fortunately my Explorer I has that new bracelet, and my DJ, well, it is what it is. I am not a collector, per se, I'm content with the few nice pieces I have.
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Old 29 April 2014, 01:04 PM   #33
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Can anyone raise their hand if they've ever met someone that's replaced their ceramic bezel?
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Old 29 April 2014, 01:14 PM   #34
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I totally agree. When the new larger case / ceramics came out it renewed my interest. I went to my AD to buy a new GMT. I came home with a new old stock GMT. Since then I have searched down a gold sub , gold Daytona , gold president , GMT pepsi....all classic and mint. I have bought all these over last three years and now my collection is done. All because I cannot warm to the current designs of Sub and GMT. So yes I'm with you.
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Old 29 April 2014, 01:16 PM   #35
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I too like all the upgrades. I wish you luck searching for the older models.
I'm not sure they are upgrades. They are changes thats for sure.
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Old 29 April 2014, 02:09 PM   #36
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I can relate somewhat. I picked up a 114060 a couple months back just as I wanted to try one out longer term, and a decent used buy came up. I do like it, but being honest with myself, I prefer my 14060 between the two. I don't see myself getting another ceramic bezel model, but I get why they are appealing, particularly considering the sophisticated bracelet changes that come with it.
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Old 29 April 2014, 02:17 PM   #37
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Old 29 April 2014, 02:22 PM   #38
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I really like the new ones.
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Old 29 April 2014, 03:34 PM   #39
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Agree with the OP. Ceramic models lack character, IMO, with each one I see looking the same as the last. Whereas older models each look slightly different.
That's a good point. With vintage, you get variations from lume aging, bezel fading, etc. As far as I can see, the newer generation models will never show their age, i.e. their character.

I have four-digit, five-digit and six-digit models. I love them all for different reasons.
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Old 29 April 2014, 04:48 PM   #40
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All rolex are good imo. Modern are solid and clearly improved in terms of functionality. Vintage have character which makes them often unique and harder to come by. You cant lose!
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Old 29 April 2014, 05:15 PM   #41
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I'm not sure they are upgrades. They are changes thats for sure.
"Upgrades" is loaded language. Most of the changes are cosmetic, and some are really questionable (e.g. branding engraved all the way around the rehaut). Functionally the new watches are basically identical to the ones made 30 years ago; comparisons to Model Ts are hyperbolic.

The new lume is definitely better, though. Tritium paint fizzles out and dies, rendering your not-that-old watch useless in the dark; I'm very glad they got rid of that stuff. I also like the bigger hour and minute hands for the same reason.
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Old 29 April 2014, 05:17 PM   #42
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Here's me thinking they were virtually identical save a new clasp and bezel material.
Well in the real world they are, the clasp could prove to be a improvement and if the thin sliver of ceramic was DIY interchangeable. And if it was around the same price as the aluminum inserts, then again it could prove to be a improvement over the perfectly functionality and changeability of the old insert.
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Old 29 April 2014, 05:28 PM   #43
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the new ceramic adds more bling to the new watches, If you combine it with the PCL you will end up with a bit much bling. one of the major faults with the new GMT IMO is the PCL.
not to mention the 1100$ bill you can add if you "chip" the cerachrome bezel vs. 200$ for the old "fading" bezel.
I thought we had established a new cerachrome insert replacement was 300$. The figure you are quoting is for the whole bezel.
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Old 29 April 2014, 06:07 PM   #44
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Well, I think it's a bit difficult not to like the Cerachrom bezels of the Pt Daytona and of the BLRO...
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Old 29 April 2014, 06:28 PM   #45
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I think there should be space in any collection for both ceramic and pre-ceramic Rolex SS sports watches.

I love both although I currently prefer the ceramic bezel versions.
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Old 29 April 2014, 07:16 PM   #46
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I like the upgrades, especially the bracelet solid links and glidelock clasp.
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Old 29 April 2014, 08:04 PM   #47
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I personally thing the only vintage pieces I would like will be diver watches (Sub or SD) because I really dislike the older clasps on other models.
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Old 29 April 2014, 08:25 PM   #48
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I like the upgrades, especially the bracelet solid links and glidelock clasp.
It's really funny. 10 years ago, when some Omega fans were toting their superior Seamaster machined clasps and solid links non-rattling bracelets, Sub fans were fiercely defending the hollow centrelinks (they rinsed better after diving and kept the bracelet light) and the old stamped flip lock clasp (it's a proven, simple design that has never failed real world divers in decades).

But let's face it. At this price point for a stainless steel watch, stamped sheet metal clasps, and anodised aluminium inserts ? Seriously ? That was unsustainable.

That said, I personally like the pre-ceramics and pre-maxicase designs better.
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Old 29 April 2014, 08:30 PM   #49
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I'll take one of each please, ceramic or not, modern or old school, the Sub is a classic.
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Old 29 April 2014, 09:18 PM   #50
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Old 29 April 2014, 09:21 PM   #51
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But Cerachrome is still beautiful. Vintage and modern, they both have their charm.
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Old 29 April 2014, 09:28 PM   #52
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Old 29 April 2014, 09:49 PM   #53
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I would not be without my ceramic GMT BUT I have started really liking the new omegas and the AT GMT is getting most of my wrist time, It has a gorgeous metallic blue dial, great presence and pretty blingy.

I have swapped a couple of ceramic subs and not regretted it and like you fancy an older watch next stop pepsi gmt!!
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Old 29 April 2014, 11:26 PM   #54
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love the ceramic models they have better bracelet/clasp and the ceramic bezel is much more durable than the cheap aluminum inserts. Seems people hate the lugs and that is their excuse for bashing the new watches on here........
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Old 29 April 2014, 11:32 PM   #55
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I love the new ones!! Vintage has its own charm but I like the upgrades.
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Old 29 April 2014, 11:40 PM   #56
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nothing wrong with having both vintage and modern in your collection
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Old 29 April 2014, 11:45 PM   #57
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Old 29 April 2014, 11:50 PM   #58
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I currently have 2 subs. The subc date and the subc no date. After getting the 114060 I keep thinking about trading it in towards a 5513.
there is just something about the classics that keep calling my name now =)
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Old 30 April 2014, 12:53 AM   #59
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I currently have 2 subs. The subc date and the subc no date. After getting the 114060 I keep thinking about trading it in towards a 5513.
there is just something about the classics that keep calling my name now =)
Do it I promise you'll be so happy you did
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Old 30 April 2014, 01:00 AM   #60
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I'm generally a modernist so I like the newer models but times change and people change so this may too change in the future.
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