Basel 2015 - Calibre 3255

[Dante1972]

Originally Posted by TheBluePrince

Sorry can't agree. It's nowhere near as good as Omega's 8500 base movement.

Please explain how the 3135 is nowhere near as good as the 8500.


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[TheBluePrince]

Originally Posted by Dante1972

Please explain how the 3135 is nowhere near as good as the 8500.


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8500 has better power reserve (twin barrels), better accuracy, better more advanced and technically superior co-axial escapement with less friction and therefore longer service intervals, longer (twice as long) factory warranty. There's far more info on the web than I can remember off hand here if you want to look further.

The new Rolex calibre 3255 was overdue and needed to bring Rolex into the next generation of movement technology.

However, when Rolex turned down George Daniels and his Coax they made probably the biggest mistake in their history.

[Xenophon]

Originally Posted by adamlea

The 3255 is impressive, probably the most impressive thing to come out of the new Rolex lineup. I'm anxious to learn more about it.

The only thing that matters is what's under the hood. Everything else is just an options package.

I agree. This is a milestone

[Degas]

Originally Posted by TheBluePrince

8500 has better power reserve (twin barrels), better accuracy, better more advanced and technically superior co-axial escapement with less friction and therefore longer service intervals, longer (twice as long) factory warranty. There's far more info on the web than I can remember off hand here if you want to look further.



The new Rolex calibre 3255 was overdue and needed to bring Rolex into the next generation of movement technology.



However, when Rolex turned down George Daniels and his Coax they made probably the biggest mistake in their history.

Sorry, but the so called "advantages" of the 8500 movement are pure PR of Omega. In real life 3135 movement is more reliable, robust and reputable

[cedargrove]

Originally Posted by TheBluePrince

8500 has better power reserve (twin barrels), better accuracy, better more advanced and technically superior co-axial escapement with less friction and therefore longer service intervals, longer (twice as long) factory warranty. There's far more info on the web than I can remember off hand here if you want to look further.

The new Rolex calibre 3255 was overdue and needed to bring Rolex into the next generation of movement technology.

However, when Rolex turned down George Daniels and his Coax they made probably the biggest mistake in their history.

Curious why you say "better accuracy".

As for longer service intervals, I'm not sure the coaxial delivered on this as expected. I think instead this is a result of the reduced beat rate (25.2k) which some might argue is less accurate than the 3135's 28.8k.

[TheBluePrince]

Originally Posted by Degas

Sorry, but the so called "advantages" of the 8500 movement are pure PR of Omega. In real life 3135 movement is more reliable, robust and reputable

Maybe 20 years ago. Things have moved on. Rolex has recognised this and prodced the new movement to try to compete.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Xenophon

I agree. This is a milestone

Yes, and a significant milestone at that.
Hopefully it will in time be able to counter the Omega Co-Axial offering.

It looks like a serious technology race is on between the 2 big players

With a little bit of luck the new ROLEX movements will go down in history as being superior.
They appear to have drawn on the strengths of the older movements and built a movement which has addressed the perceived disadvantages.

In all practicality I have(in the past) contemplated the value of potential further developments, as the older design was more than adequate.
What they have done is great.

[Dante1972]

Originally Posted by TheBluePrince

Maybe 20 years ago. Things have moved on. Rolex has recognised this and prodced the new movement to try to compete.

No not 20 years ago. The Omega Co-Axial had numerous reliability problems when launched. Feel free to search online. The 3135 has always been a very reliable movement. The same cannot be said about the Co-Axial.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by Dante1972

No not 20 years ago. The Omega Co-Axial had numerous reliability problems when launched. Feel free to search online. The 3135 has always been a very reliable movement. The same cannot be said about the Co-Axial.

Quite right.

I have the earliest version in a Railmaster and it's going absolutely fine with irregular use.

However the Co-Axial has been changed a lot since it's inception, but one thing remains a potential problem, and that is getting it serviced properly.
Even Omega has had issues with getting that right.

Perhaps, after it's been out for a couple of decades the design will settle in and the training of Omega service technicians will be up to par.
In regards to servicing.
Try to get your Co-Axials serviced by an independent.

[DateAperture]

Already pumped for when the 3255 will iterate into 3232 for the next-gen Milgauss! Maybe by that time, all the parts will be non-ferrous to invalidate the need for a heavy Faraday cage.

[Vanessa CW21]

Very exciting! I look forward to learn about this new movement!

[timuS]

Originally Posted by cedargrove

Curious why you say "better accuracy".

As for longer service intervals, I'm not sure the coaxial delivered on this as expected. I think instead this is a result of the reduced beat rate (25.2k) which some might argue is less accurate than the 3135's 28.8k.

I believe the 25.2 K was selected as that is the sweet-spot for co-axial's performance in terms of accuracy improvement and not just reduction in pallet / escape wheel wear.

Its interesting to note that the 3255 address all of the problems - magnetism, shock, improved precision....but leaves out reduction of service intervals

I think each company will takes its own route to marketing their movements - Omega will talk of increased service intervals, while Rolex will talk of increased precision - +3/-2 seconds

[TheBluePrince]

Originally Posted by Dante1972

No not 20 years ago. The Omega Co-Axial had numerous reliability problems when launched. Feel free to search online. The 3135 has always been a very reliable movement. The same cannot be said about the Co-Axial.

Co-ax indeed had issues when it was first launched and that's not surprising with a completely new technology pushing the boundaries of watchmaking. Now the issues are gone and they are as reliable out of the box as Rolex and seem to be more accurate too.

We have to remember here that while Omega were pushing the boundaries of technology and manufacturing Rolex choose not to even try.

[aeon888]

I love that Rolex has this new 72 hr anti-magnetic movement. But I think Rolex is like the iPhone of watches. Whenever they release something "new" or so-called advancement in their products we all rejoice and gets excited and praise Rolex for the "innovation" even though other watch brands already has it since last year or a couple of years ago ie that 72 hour power life, anti-magnetic properties of the movement etc .

It's like when Apple's iPhone would increase their camera megapixel and all iPhone fans go crazy like it's the most advanced thing in the world even though other cellphone brands (Sony ericsson) has twice the pixels a long time ago or if they would release a waterproof iPhone in the future even though it's already been produced by other brands. lol

Don't get me wrong, I too am excited about this "new" movement by Rolex. hehe

[hchj]

I see this new movement going into submariners soon...

[tkerrmd]

glad to see Rolex keeps on getting better!

[EricM]

Originally Posted by hchj

I see this new movement going into submariners soon...

I wonder how soon, realistically? It's anyone's guess but I may have to hold off on a purchase I was planning on making.

Eric

[brandrea]

Its funny to me that with the advances in technology etc. we sometimes lose sight of the fact that Rolex have been making incredibly reliable and accurate movements for some time now.

Case in point the 1520 non COSC movement in my Sub has been pretty reliable for 47 odd years.

Don't get me wrong, I think the new DD40 movement sounds incredredible, just saying ....

[jp1166610]

They will implement the movements in to the submariner line for sure. Probably the deep sea as well as the sea dweller too. Makes sense right?