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PJ S · 25 July 2015, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Abdullasaif

No I didn't chip just through general/heavy use and I went swimming every day straight in a whole week. I've seen carbon bezels completely worn down which look crazy worn out.

That's what happens when you buy an expensive plastic watch.
It's completely the wrong material to fabricate a watch case from, even if the resultant look is considered uber cool.
Resin is soft, therefore friction will have a greater effect.

Abdullasaif · 25 July 2015, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by PJ S

Don't see the point in having the Nautilus and the Aquanaut – I'd ditch the latter and add it to the FC's funds.
Maybe it's time to go for a VC Overseas – 3-hander or chronograph.

Oh man i LOVE both the nautilus and the aquanaut I can't see myself selling them anytime soon, I will agree with carbon not being the best material for watches but it seems that AP don't have the right coating and production techniques to keep it to their "standards". Sometime soon I'll sell the FC when I get bored of it and that time still has to come.

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jonnyz1245 · 28 July 2015, 02:18 AM

My FC diver looks brand new after two years. I have gone Scuba diving with it 20+ times and swam, hiked, biked, and worn it without regard to keeping its "plastic" case pampered. The watch looks showroom new.

YMMV!

singe89 · 28 July 2015, 06:36 AM

Mine is back at APSC right now for 3rd year warrenty extension. After 2 years of daily wear it still looks new. If FC was such a "poor" material I doubt AP wouldn't continue to use it for the concept, FC tourbillon, Schumacher, etc. not to mention all the other watch companies using it from Panerai to RM. So much comes down to how the FC is made. AP was the first in to use the material in watches and has improved the material over that time. Even if the case did start to show some wear they are cheap to replace vs paying for a full polish on a SS or PM watch.

luckybeanbean · 31 July 2015, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by singe89

Mine is back at APSC right now for 3rd year warrenty extension. After 2 years of daily wear it still looks new. If FC was such a "poor" material I doubt AP wouldn't continue to use it for the concept, FC tourbillon, Schumacher, etc. not to mention all the other watch companies using it from Panerai to RM. So much comes down to how the FC is made. AP was the first in to use the material in watches and has improved the material over that time. Even if the case did start to show some wear they are cheap to replace vs paying for a full polish on a SS or PM watch.

any ballpark figure for replacing the fc case? my fc diver have some dents around the lugs. Thanks

Manofsteelpt · 31 July 2015, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by luckybeanbean

any ballpark figure for replacing the fc case? my fc diver have some dents around the lugs. Thanks

I believe it's about $2k USD.

yjfang · 31 July 2015, 09:50 PM

Wow that's actually pretty inexpensive. I thought a bezel would cost $2K alone.

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Originally Posted by Manofsteelpt

I believe it's about $2k USD.

jjnd08 · 31 July 2015, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by yjfang

Wow that's actually pretty inexpensive. I thought a bezel would cost $2K alone.

x2. If this is the actual number, I would be shocked.

Manofsteelpt · 31 July 2015, 11:49 PM

That's what was posted before here on TRF... Maybe Jim or someone else knows for sure.

luckybeanbean · 1 August 2015, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by jjnd08

x2. If this is the actual number, I would be shocked.

completely! If for real, then I don't need to worry about wearing it anywhere daily.

jjnd08 · 1 August 2015, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Manofsteelpt

That's what was posted before here on TRF... Maybe Jim or someone else knows for sure.

I'm not saying you are wrong, because I have no idea myself. I'm just saying it seems low because I thought someone said it cost $2-3k to replace a ceramic bezel.

I hope you are right! I love the way FC looks.

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Manofsteelpt · 1 August 2015, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by jjnd08

I'm not saying you are wrong, because I have no idea myself. I'm just saying it seems low because I thought someone said it cost $2-3k to replace a ceramic bezel.

I hope you are right! I love the way FC looks.

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Oh I know what ur saying... Yeah, I think it was $3200 for the CE bezel. Crazy.

singe89 · 1 August 2015, 03:46 AM

According to Jason in this thread the FC case is $1,100 -$1,300

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...=Forged+carbon

I just shot an email over to APSC asking what a replacement case would cost on my diver.

Manofsteelpt · 1 August 2015, 09:46 AM

I believe the 44mm FC case was a bit more expensive. I wanna say, and I'm sticking to, I read $2k on here.

luckybeanbean · 1 August 2015, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by singe89

According to Jason in this thread the FC case is $1,100 -$1,300

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...=Forged+carbon

I just shot an email over to APSC asking what a replacement case would cost on my diver.

looking forward to the answer, thank you very much

yjfang · 1 August 2015, 12:39 PM

If the FC case is only $2K, makes you wonder why they charge the large premium for it, e.g., cost of SS Diver vs. FC Diver.

Manofsteelpt · 1 August 2015, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by yjfang

If the FC case is only $2K, makes you wonder why they charge the large premium for it, e.g., cost of SS Diver vs. FC Diver.

Idk for sure, but I'm thinking the CE bezel which is reportedly $3200 vs the SS bezel is some of the $$$. Also, I know the FC comes with a Ti tang buckle, which is like $800, while the SS tang is only $400. The SS is an older version, while the FC is new and maybe some R&D costs are in there too. This is just what I know, I'm sure others know more than me, and AP knows even more than all of us.

Look at the 44mm's... The cost of the SS and FC are a lot closer (only $1-$2k price diff) due to more similarities with AP releasing the same model in diff metals.

jjnd08 · 2 August 2015, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by singe89

According to Jason in this thread the FC case is $1,100 -$1,300

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...=Forged+carbon

I just shot an email over to APSC asking what a replacement case would cost on my diver.

Thanks, Jim. I'm curious of the answer too.

Garby81 · 27 August 2015, 01:16 AM

Be aware of forged carbon, currently I own a Bumblebee which case after eight months could be flaked off with my nail. It happened me twice, in two different cases, everytime the same story: last year after three months I've bought a preowned one in mint conditions, the case began to appear like moldy at 90° edges. It has been replaced with a brand new one, AP gave me back my Bumblebee last Christmas and now after only eight months the new fc case seems like this, just with my nail:

Thewatchenthusiast.com says: "Forged carbon is inadequate for watch case. It is soft, wears-off easily and is known not to last."

Unfortunately I'm a witness of its softness, the case can be easily flaked off with a nail.

Try to scratch the 90° edges of a forged carbon case and tell me what's happen, even if I already know it... even I really love how forged carbon looks I'll never be able to have it at my wrist again.

It doesn't matter if you're so careful with your watch, sooner or later the fc case will begin to have issues at its edges.

jjnd08 · 27 August 2015, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Garby81

Be aware of forged carbon, currently I own a Bumblebee which case after eight months could be flaked off with my nail. It happened me twice, in two different cases, everytime the same story: last year after three months I've bought a preowned one in mint conditions, the case began to appear like moldy at 90° edges. It has been replaced with a brand new one, AP gave me back my Bumblebee last Christmas and now after only eight months the new fc case seems like this, just with my nail:

Thewatchenthusiast.com says: "Forged carbon is inadequate for watch case. It is soft, wears-off easily and is known not to last."

Unfortunately I'm a witness of its softness, the case can be easily flaked off with a nail.

Try to scratch the 90° edges of a forged carbon case and tell me what's happen, even if I already know it... even I really love how forged carbon looks I'll never be able to have it at my wrist again.

It doesn't matter if you're so careful with your watch, sooner or later the fc case will begin to have issues at its edges.

This is really disappointing. I love how the FC case looks and would love to own one, but I don't want a watch case that peels away.

Don't they make bikes (not motor) out of this stuff? How does that not fall apart?

Garby81 · 27 August 2015, 02:15 AM

Forged carbon to be strong and to last doesn't have to have any edge.

jjnd08 · 27 August 2015, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Garby81

Forged carbon to be strong and to last doesn't have to have any edge.

Do you mean the case design has to be completely smooth with no edges? If this is true, I can see where AP has a problem since there are so many sharp angles in their designs.

Garby81 · 27 August 2015, 02:29 AM

Yes I've been told it should have to be smooth, with tiny edges, not 90 degrees. My cases began to wear off from 90 degrees edges

jjnd08 · 27 August 2015, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Garby81

Yes I've been told it should have to be smooth, with tiny edges, not 90 degrees. My cases began to wear off from 90 degrees edges

That's extremely disappointing. I may have to rule one out...

tcheeco · 27 August 2015, 04:56 AM

I'd go for the ceramic case ;-)

jjnd08 · 27 August 2015, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Garby81

Yes I've been told it should have to be smooth, with tiny edges, not 90 degrees. My cases began to wear off from 90 degrees edges

I see an older post that someone suggested they have improved the construction/material over time. Was yours one of the first iterations?

Koi6715 · 27 August 2015, 06:52 AM

This is not a fair judgement
My Forged carbon Ginza is like new the day I brought 3 yrs ago

beer · 27 August 2015, 07:36 AM

Very interesting thread. I have been wondering about both durability of FC and replacement cost. $1,000-3,000 does not seem bad for a whole new case but if one will be required every year then...

Also it seems FC is more suited to AP Concept, Richard Mille and Panerai even if not for regular ROO models because the former do not have as many sharp edges/right angles on the cases - at least not where they will encounter wear? Additionally, many ultra high end carbon watches are very expensive, frivolous (almost purposely made to be impractical - gold with a FC bezel etc.) watches not really suited to every day use anyway - or at least those who can afford them can probably afford to use them every day!

Manofsteelpt · 27 August 2015, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Koi6715

This is not a fair judgement
My Forged carbon Ginza is like new the day I brought 3 yrs ago

Abdullasaif · 27 August 2015, 02:05 PM

I wonder if I buy a ceramic case and new pushers and take the watch to a 3rd party watch maker and change the case from carbon to ceramic would probably end these issues

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28 July 2015, 02:18 AM	#33
jonnyz1245 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Earth Posts: 2,324	My FC diver looks brand new after two years. I have gone Scuba diving with it 20+ times and swam, hiked, biked, and worn it without regard to keeping its "plastic" case pampered. The watch looks showroom new. YMMV!

28 July 2015, 06:36 AM	#34
singe89 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Jim Location: Orange County, CA Watch: Rolex, AP & Patek Posts: 3,747	Mine is back at APSC right now for 3rd year warrenty extension. After 2 years of daily wear it still looks new. If FC was such a "poor" material I doubt AP wouldn't continue to use it for the concept, FC tourbillon, Schumacher, etc. not to mention all the other watch companies using it from Panerai to RM. So much comes down to how the FC is made. AP was the first in to use the material in watches and has improved the material over that time. Even if the case did start to show some wear they are cheap to replace vs paying for a full polish on a SS or PM watch.

31 July 2015, 11:49 PM	#39
Manofsteelpt "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Mike Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,971	That's what was posted before here on TRF... Maybe Jim or someone else knows for sure.

1 August 2015, 03:46 AM	#43
singe89 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Jim Location: Orange County, CA Watch: Rolex, AP & Patek Posts: 3,747	According to Jason in this thread the FC case is $1,100 -$1,300 http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...=Forged+carbon I just shot an email over to APSC asking what a replacement case would cost on my diver.

1 August 2015, 09:46 AM	#44
Manofsteelpt "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Mike Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,971	I believe the 44mm FC case was a bit more expensive. I wanna say, and I'm sticking to, I read $2k on here.

1 August 2015, 12:39 PM	#46
yjfang "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: JF Location: Los Angeles Watch: Rolex Sub 1680 Posts: 1,426	If the FC case is only $2K, makes you wonder why they charge the large premium for it, e.g., cost of SS Diver vs. FC Diver.

27 August 2015, 01:16 AM	#49
Garby81 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Italy Posts: 29	Be aware of forged carbon, currently I own a Bumblebee which case after eight months could be flaked off with my nail. It happened me twice, in two different cases, everytime the same story: last year after three months I've bought a preowned one in mint conditions, the case began to appear like moldy at 90° edges. It has been replaced with a brand new one, AP gave me back my Bumblebee last Christmas and now after only eight months the new fc case seems like this, just with my nail: Thewatchenthusiast.com says: "Forged carbon is inadequate for watch case. It is soft, wears-off easily and is known not to last." Unfortunately I'm a witness of its softness, the case can be easily flaked off with a nail. Try to scratch the 90° edges of a forged carbon case and tell me what's happen, even if I already know it... even I really love how forged carbon looks I'll never be able to have it at my wrist again. It doesn't matter if you're so careful with your watch, sooner or later the fc case will begin to have issues at its edges.

27 August 2015, 02:15 AM	#51
Garby81 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Italy Posts: 29	Forged carbon to be strong and to last doesn't have to have any edge.

27 August 2015, 02:29 AM	#53
Garby81 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Italy Posts: 29	Yes I've been told it should have to be smooth, with tiny edges, not 90 degrees. My cases began to wear off from 90 degrees edges

27 August 2015, 04:56 AM	#55
tcheeco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: EU Watch: AP & Rolex Posts: 1,274	I'd go for the ceramic case ;-)

27 August 2015, 06:52 AM	#57
Koi6715 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Uk Posts: 192	This is not a fair judgement My Forged carbon Ginza is like new the day I brought 3 yrs ago

27 August 2015, 07:36 AM	#58
beer "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: Watch Dealer atm! Watch: all Posts: 2,800	Very interesting thread. I have been wondering about both durability of FC and replacement cost. $1,000-3,000 does not seem bad for a whole new case but if one will be required every year then... Also it seems FC is more suited to AP Concept, Richard Mille and Panerai even if not for regular ROO models because the former do not have as many sharp edges/right angles on the cases - at least not where they will encounter wear? Additionally, many ultra high end carbon watches are very expensive, frivolous (almost purposely made to be impractical - gold with a FC bezel etc.) watches not really suited to every day use anyway - or at least those who can afford them can probably afford to use them every day!

27 August 2015, 02:05 PM	#60
Abdullasaif "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Dubai Watch: bipolar Posts: 2,854	I wonder if I buy a ceramic case and new pushers and take the watch to a 3rd party watch maker and change the case from carbon to ceramic would probably end these issues Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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