Is this PAM111 real?

[jhcam8]

Originally Posted by sirnonz

he didn't have any warranty card and everything on the bezel and back is exactly the same as on his picture so i'm not sure where he's getting that i swapped stuff out. he provided me those pictures. except the magnified ones which I couldn't do until I got to work where I had one handy.

There's many good sellers, here and on TZ, etc. Better to stick with one of them than chasing the lowest offer.

[Btdd05]

Man I am sorry about your loos ! These reps these days are so good you need to have them checked first and foremost , once you agree on buying no one can help you recoup your money ! so like so many buy the seller not the watch.

[clkgtr37]

It is terrifying how close the reps are getting. Making it harder to purchase anything used unless it is from an AD.

[Ccjacapital]

Terrible so sorry hopefully you can get your money back. Like another poster said buy from a trusted seller. These fakes are getting better all of the time and to me the panerais are one of the hardest ones for me to authenticate and I have been in the Highend watch market for 12 years. I just really hope you can get your money back.

[Travelller]

Very sorry to hear it and thank you for sharing your experience with us.

I'm going to look at a used 111F tomorrow and I did my research, listing all the details based on trustworthy pics from forum members. I will also be wearing my 217 as it's 6498 is pretty much the same as the 111 (with the exception of the platine finishing of course).

It's just a real shame we have to go through such great lengths to insure we are getting the real thing...

[Vivalas]

You seem remarkable calm and collected in your posts - I'd be livid!

[TimeOnHand]

Wow I can't believe how real the fakes look!

[Fabrice M]

Go to the police an file a complaint, go to small claim court and get your money back? you have a few options...

[sirnonz]

I unfortunately never got my money back from the seller, he ceased all communication and I have only his email and cell phone number to go by. I did contact my local sheriffs department but there's not much they can do also so I lost out on 4,000 dollars so I wasn't looking for the cheapest deal. I went with the seller because he was local and convenient.

[freefly]

Originally Posted by sirnonz

I unfortunately never got my money back from the seller, he ceased all communication and I have only his email and cell phone number to go by. I did contact my local sheriffs department but there's not much they can do also so I lost out on 4,000 dollars so I wasn't looking for the cheapest deal. I went with the seller because he was local and convenient.

Just FYI...

I searched just the first part/name of that email ("Pedhabidda") and got a few hits on Google as a screen name on a couple replica watch forums (sadly, yes, they exist).

I also found a couple other email addresses that he might be using:

[email protected] and [email protected]

[improviz]

How did you pay?

Also, I don't see any threads on WUS for a 111 at $4000 in the Aug 30th timeframe, do you have a link to the original thread?

[sirnonz]

I paid cash, I notified the admin of the guy and they deleted all his posts and banned him.

[volvo]

So give us the name of this seller or jeweler at least.

[freefly]

Originally Posted by volvo

So give us the name of this seller or jeweler at least.

+1

All bets are off at this point, and you were clearly scammed. He may be on other forums with the same user name. So, please post what name he was using on WUS, as well as the serial number to the watch. If you have his real name and phone number, post that too. Hopefully this thread will then pop up for anyone else searching that SN or his user name/contact info prior to purchasing another fake from him.

[improviz]

I'd never even consider paying cash for a watch if I had doubts about its authenticity.

[zama]

Sorry to hear this, it is a scarily close replica, most of us would have been caught out. Does go for buying bricks and mortar store.

[occb2]

Are replicas of Pams that good for real? I'm a Rolex guy and I can normally tell by just looking and if not once I get it in my hands. It is scary!.


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[sirnonz]

Here's a Google cached of the sale since the original was defeated by the mods.

http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...&ct=clnk&gl=us

His name I think it's Sal Raju
Email [email protected]
Phone 415-917-6067
User name : paneraifan111

[ro1151]

Wow, it is scary how good these Panerai fakes are getting. Very sorry you got scammed into buying a fake. I hope you get some refund/recourse

[improviz]

Lesson learned. Buy the seller is key, this guy had only 48 posts and a $1K drop would have put me off, as would the warnings from Jocke et al, never pay cash if there's anyone making such warnings or if you harbor any doubt. Sorry you got scammed, hopefully others can learn from it.

[rozyd]

Interesting read... he also sold a PAM 90 also recently. I wonder what the likelihood that was fake too... If there was an actual transaction.

[rolex116509rb]

I dont see any point in posting his info as if that is so he probably changed his id,name,email and phone number a long time ago!!!

[rozyd]

Originally Posted by rolex116509rb

I dont see any point in posting his info as if that is so he probably changed his id,name,email and phone number a long time ago!!!

Originally Posted by rolex116509rb

Yeah if true he probably changed his number,email,address,id and name by now

Interesting that you joined just to post these two comments.

[rolex116509rb]

Yeah if true he probably changed his number,email,address,id and name by now

[Etschell]

Definately fake. That incabloc gives it away. Sorry for your loss.

[fitzs]

What's scary is I've heard of Panerai ADs actually being fooled by replicas that come in for authentication/service. If I ever buy one, I'm ponying up for the AD.