Buying a Sea Dweller 4000 in the UK

[Ruud Van Driver]

Originally Posted by Luap1976

Davidsw is the way to go if you are from uk cheapest by miles.I will buy my first rolex sub from him

DavidSW is an awesome seller, who's reputation speaks volumes for the man. However, the Pound is weak against the US$ at the moment with £1 = US$1.52.

I picked up my D-Blue this weekend and paid full retail at £8,250. David recently advertised one BNIB at $13,000. With the exchange rate, that works out at £8,558, which is over £300 above the UK straight away. Then there's the possibility that UK Customs might hit you for 20% on top of that, which would make it a very expensive purchase.

That said, he's advertising a Sub C date at US$7,675, which works out about £700 cheaper than the UK retail price. If you're not stung by Customs, then that would be an excellent saving.

So he's not necessarily the cheapest by miles. It very much depends on what reference you're looking for, what the exchange rate is and whether or not you get stung by Customs.

[dera]

Originally Posted by Luap1976

How am i supposed to know I'm just going by lots of other uk members and the threads that I see all the time on here asking about buying from him it's common knolledge
I'm more interested in if chrono next is a scam or not as the price is too cheap by miles

Please stop giving advice on something you obviously don't know much about. That kind of "advice" can get other people in serious trouble.

When you buy a watch from any of the sellers outside the EU, you need to pay 20% VAT when importing it. If they ship it for you, Fedex/DHL will take care of the paperwork and bill you for the VAT. If you import it yourself, you need to take the red line at customs and pay VAT when entering.

Serious trouble if you don't do it this way.

Many people who repeat the "buy from trusted sellers" mantra actually haven't bought from them. It's just a thing to say here, even when in Europe outside the UK prices are lower than the trusted sellers prices, when you factor in the VAT.

[Luap1976]

http://www.rolexforums.com/archive/i.../t-189555.html

[dera]

Originally Posted by Ruud Van Driver

DavidSW is an awesome seller, who's reputation speaks volumes for the man. However, the Pound is weak against the US$ at the moment with £1 = US$1.52.

I picked up my D-Blue this weekend and paid full retail at £8,250. David recently advertised one BNIB at $13,000. With the exchange rate, that works out at £8,558, which is over £300 above the UK straight away. Then there's the possibility that UK Customs might hit you for 20% on top of that, which would make it a very expensive purchase.

That said, he's advertising a Sub C date at US$7,675, which works out about £700 cheaper than the UK retail price. If you're not stung by Customs, then that would be an excellent saving.

So he's not necessarily the cheapest by miles. It very much depends on what reference you're looking for, what the exchange rate is and whether or not you get stung by Customs.

When getting a watch shipped from outside the EU, the chances of having to pay VAT is pretty much 100%. Every single watch I've ever had shipped in went through customs (maybe around 50 examples). And it is 100% when someone ships it insured for its true value, something I assume the dealers here such as DavidSW will do.

Only way to avoid it is to go collect it yourself and walk the green line at the airport. But obviously this is illegal.

[Luap1976]

Originally Posted by Ruud Van Driver

DavidSW is an awesome seller, who's reputation speaks volumes for the man. However, the Pound is weak against the US$ at the moment with £1 = US$1.52.

I picked up my D-Blue this weekend and paid full retail at £8,250. David recently advertised one BNIB at $13,000. With the exchange rate, that works out at £8,558, which is over £300 above the UK straight away. Then there's the possibility that UK Customs might hit you for 20% on top of that, which would make it a very expensive purchase.

That said, he's advertising a Sub C date at US$7,675, which works out about £700 cheaper than the UK retail price. If you're not stung by Customs, then that would be an excellent saving.

So he's not necessarily the cheapest by miles. It very much depends on what reference you're looking for, what the exchange rate is and whether or not you get stung by Customs.

Other members say there is zero chance of getting hit at customs as he pays fees.I be even posted a thread that says this. And there are many other threads stating this.if there was a chance of getting hit by customs I wouldnt even consider buying from the USA as a uk resident as it will end up more than buying from uk

[Luap1976]

Originally Posted by dera

When getting a watch shipped from outside the EU, the chances of having to pay VAT is pretty much 100%. Every single watch I've ever had shipped in went through customs (maybe around 50 examples). And it is 100% when someone ships it insured for its true value, something I assume the dealers here such as DavidSW will do.

Only way to avoid it is to go collect it yourself and walk the green line at the airport. But obviously this is illegal.

No not true unless all the UK members and David are lying I don't think so he pays the fees just read the threads on this forum there are many stating clearly that all fee are covered

[Luap1976]

I'm just worried about this chrono next website when something is too good to be true is normally is

[dera]

Originally Posted by Luap1976

Other members say there is zero chance of getting hit at customs as he pays fees.I be even posted a thread that says this. And there are many other threads stating this.if there was a chance of getting hit by customs I wouldnt even consider buying from the USA as a uk resident as it will end up more than buying from uk

Zero chance - strong words. I would ask HMRC about this and I will bet you a pint they will tell you exactly what me and Ruud are saying.

"as he pays fees" is something he is not even able to do. The recipient is responsible for duty and VAT fees. VAT is calculated on the CIF price of the product, and you will end up paying for it 99% of the time.

The only way to try to avoid it is to declare it as a low value item and ship it under/uninsured. I'd be surprised if the trusted sellers would go through this route, knowing it is a high risk for them.

[Luap1976]

Originally Posted by dera

Please stop giving advice on something you obviously don't know much about. That kind of "advice" can get other people in serious trouble.

When you buy a watch from any of the sellers outside the EU, you need to pay 20% VAT when importing it. If they ship it for you, Fedex/DHL will take care of the paperwork and bill you for the VAT. If you import it yourself, you need to take the red line at customs and pay VAT when entering.

Serious trouble if you don't do it this way.

Many people who repeat the "buy from trusted sellers" mantra actually haven't bought from them. It's just a thing to say here, even when in Europe outside the UK prices are lower than the trusted sellers prices, when you factor in the VAT.

Mate read the many thread on here saying that if your from uk and buy from him he covers all fees.I even posted a link to a thread that says this.so please stop accusing me of something

[dera]

Originally Posted by Luap1976

Mate read the many thread on here saying that if your from uk and buy from him he covers all fees.I even posted a link to a thread that says this.so please stop accusing me of something

I don't care what they say when they are not true and there are no facts anywhere to back their opinions about "covering the fees".

Show me a message, from DavidSW, where he says he pays 20% of the CIF value. That's the only fact that will prove that really is the case.

[Luap1976]

www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=189555

Read this this is why I was thinking of buying from him and recommended him to the op plus there are many other threads saying he covers everything so don't blame me

[Luap1976]

Originally Posted by dera

I don't care what they say when they are not true and there are no facts anywhere to back their opinions about "covering the fees".

Show me a message, from DavidSW, where he says he pays 20% of the CIF value. That's the only fact that will prove that really is the case.

I'm not going to show you my pm from david that says he will cover fees why should i,you either belive all the many uk members and David or you dont

[dera]

Originally Posted by Luap1976

www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=189555

Read this this is why I was thinking of buying from him and recommended him to the op plus there are many other threads saying he covers everything so don't blame me

And no-one, zero, there with personal experience of him actually paying the VAT.
Not applicable. Nice try though.

[Luap1976]

Originally Posted by dera

And no-one, zero, there with personal experience of him actually paying the VAT.
Not applicable. Nice try though.

I'm not going to post the pm I got from him saying he will cover all fees unless he allows members to post his pms on the board. it's invasion of privacy belive what you like.
Does anybody know about this crazy cheap dealer called chrono next?

[dera]

Originally Posted by Luap1976

I'm not going to post the pm I got fro him saying he will cover all fees . it's invasion of privacy belive what you like.
Does anybody know about this crazy cheap dealer called chrono next?

By fees I believe he means the FedEx customs handling fees, usually £20.

[Luap1976]

Originally Posted by dera

By fees I believe he means the FedEx customs handling fees, usually £20.

No all fees are covered tax duty ,vat etc etc .if the watch he is selling is 6000 dollors that's why you pay,even if from the uk.I was worried about getting hit with massive vat etc so saw some threads that say he covers everything. So I pmd him asking.just like many other uk member have.but this other dealer is 1000 pounds cheaper for a brand new sub c than uk ad and this dealer is from the UK. So I would like to know why is it so cheap will I lose my money is it a scam.if it is a scam I'll buy my first rolex from david

[dera]

Originally Posted by Luap1976

No all fees are covered tax duty etc etc .if the watch he is selling is 6000 dollors that's why you pay,even if from the uk.I was worried about getting hit with massive vat etc so saw some threads that say he covers everything. So I pmd him asking.just like many other uk member have.but this other dealer is 1000 pounds cheaper for a brand new sub c than uk ad and this dealer is from the UK. So I would like to know why is it so cheap will I lose my money is it a scam.if it is a scam I'll buy my first rolex from david

So you are saying David is happy to pay 20% of the CIF cost to you (he can't clear the VAT duties, you have to do it for him), but you cannot back that statement up with anything. That is a strong statement, I'd rather hear it from David than you.

So, lets say you buy a watch that you pay 10kUSD for, and David will then send you 2000USD back for it? That's quite a discount.

[dabbotjordan]

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[Luap1976]

Originally Posted by dera

So you are saying David is happy to pay 20% of the CIF cost to you (he can't clear the VAT duties, you have to do it for him), but you cannot back that statement up with anything. That is a strong statement, I'd rather hear it from David than you.

So, lets say you buy a watch that you pay 10kUSD for, and David will then send you 2000USD back for it? That's quite a discount.

i dont care if you belive it or not,I'm just going by what david told me and what other uk members have experienced.now back to chrono next any info on why it's so cheap guys as I'm close to buying but don't want to lose my money

[GolfPunk]

The customs fee isn't just 20% VAT, theres VAT plus a Customs charges, it actually equates to around 29% of the purchase price.

[dera]

Originally Posted by GolfPunk

The customs fee isn't just 20% VAT, theres VAT plus a Customs charges, it actually equates to around 29% of the purchase price.

Another reason why I find it hard to believe the sellers would pay for those fees.

[Luap1976]

Originally Posted by dera

Another reason why I find it hard to believe the sellers would pay for those fees.

Ok so are you trying to say that all the other uk forum members that have bought from him are liars and hes also a liar is that what you are saying?and if we buy from him we will still get hit with massive tax duty vat etc etc

[dera]

Originally Posted by Luap1976

Ok so are you trying to say that all the other uk forum members that have bought from him are liars and hes also a liar is that what you are saying?and if we buy from him we will still get hit with massive tax duty vat etc etc

Show me ONE example where someone has had those fees paid for by the sellers? Your example thread shows people who got lucky and got them past customs, but not a single one that back your point up.

[Luap1976]

Originally Posted by dera

Show me ONE example where someone has had those fees paid for by the sellers? Your example thread shows people who got lucky and got them past customs, but not a single one that back your point up.

I'm tempted to post the pm I got from david here to prove to you so you can stop accusing people of lying.but I'm not sure If it's against the forum rules.as it's a private message

[dera]

Originally Posted by Luap1976

I'm tempted to post the pm I got from david here to prove to you so you can't stop accusing people of lying.but I'm not sure I'd it's against the forum rules

So that is, you have nothing. That settles this issue then.

[LuminousMaximus]

[Ruud Van Driver]

Originally Posted by Luap1976

I'm tempted to post the pm I got from david here to prove to you so you can stop accusing people of lying.but I'm not sure If it's against the forum rules.as it's a private message

Mate, just accept the posts above as a warning that a very real possibility exists of you having to pay a significant percentage of the purchase price in duty to H.M. Customs. If you don't, happy days and good luck to you, If you're stung, well, make sure you have the funds available or it's adios Rolex.

Exactly which fees are paid by the Trusted Seller is between the seller and purchaser. However, one thing is certain and that is that only the person importing, which in this case is you, can pay the import duties not the seller. The courier can pay it on your behalf but they will charge you a small fee for the privilege.

This thread has been hijacked enough so you might want to leave it there before it gets closed and the OP is deprived of any potentially forthcoming useful guidance.

[Luap1976]

Originally Posted by Ruud Van Driver

Mate, just accept the posts above as a warning that a very real possibility exists of you having to pay a significant percentage of the purchase price in duty to H.M. Customs. If you don't, happy days and good luck to you, If you're stung, well, make sure you have the funds available or it's adios Rolex.

Exactly which fees are paid by the Trusted Seller is between the seller and purchaser. However, one thing is certain and that is that only the person importing, which in this case is you, can pay the import duties not the seller. The courier can pay it on your behalf but they will charge you a small fee for the privilege.

This thread has been hijacked enough so you might want to leave it there before it gets closed and the OP is deprived of any potentially forthcoming useful guidance.

Look mate I was trying to help the op he asked the whats the best cheapest place to buy a rolex if you are from the UK and David is the cheapest if you are from the UK end of

[Luap1976]

Originally Posted by dera

So that is, you have nothing. That settles this issue then.

I can post a pm that says he pays all fees but its against forum rules.so just keep on disbelieving

[Guest909]

Originally Posted by dera

When you add 20% VAT to his prices he is far from cheapest.

I bought a SD 4000 on Tuesday from their London store. The price listed was the price I paid, no tax added https://www.chronext.co.uk/rolex/sea.../116600/002761