R.car Member-Potential Fraud

[bankerX]

Wire transfers usually take 24 to 48 hours to clear but it sometimes could take longer if there is a hold of some type either by the receiving or sending bank.

I hope things work out well for you.

Unfortunately the chances of recalling a wire transfer after it has been initiated are slim to none.

[bdex75]

I just sent a wire to a forum member that took 2 days to get bounced back. So they are not always "instant" or 2-3 hours as I thought.

Just because your bank took the $ out of your account and wired it does not automatically mean that he has it.

My bank found it odd that the wire did. It hit within 24 hours but it took almost another full day to kick back.

I don't know that I would call this fraud yet, but it is not my $, and I would never blame anyone for getting worried.

I hope it works out for everyone.

Communication fellas, it is the key.


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[crowncollection]

Can't speak for other countries however 2 days is about max time unless a bank holiday falls on those days


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[asleep]

Originally Posted by edsalem

...My bank told me that they say it takes 2 to 3 days for a wire transfer to go through but in reality it happens once the transfer is made...

Well, perhaps this is just a misunderstanding about notice vs. availability.

I've done over 200 wires to/from New York/Chicago/Florida/Texas and never had a delay in accessing the funds. I wired trusted seller DavidSW funds a couple of months ago and got a shipping notification text on my iPhone just as I got into my car.

Today is the day, no?

[HelpingHands]

I'm dealing with the same issue on WUS and believe it or not his name is Watson also??? Wired funds on 12-16, he received them and is claiming they did not hit his account. What's your bank saying?

[asleep]

Originally Posted by noel12

I'm dealing with the same issue on WUS and believe it or not his name is Watson also??? Wired funds on 12-16, he received them and is claiming they did not hit his account...

Ruh-roh, wasn't a Daytona was it? Or a GMT II Master?

[HelpingHands]

GMT II black blue

[123Blueface]

Guys, hope I am wrong but my background taints my perception in cases like this, and not in a good way.
Sure there could be a chance this is a fluke and gets immediately resolved. That likelihood is not one I would bet on as a very low probability.

This seller now seems to have done the same on another forum per recent post. If the same person, going under different user name in WUS.
Came here on this thread briefly yesterday and has not returned. Apparantly too busy to answer to credibility questions.
If you view his posts, came to board recently and seems all posts were to fluff a post count.
Jury no longer out on this matter. Facts seem pretty clear.

Hope all eventually works out for all.

[123Blueface]

Originally Posted by noel12

GMT II black blue

WUS moderator looking for his user name from you.
Nothing comes up for CRUSTIS.

[asleep]

Originally Posted by noel12

GMT II black blue

You might exchange PMs with the OP to determine if there's any connection.

[HelpingHands]

Sorry, crutis

[hsfrank]

There is a difference between when funds for a wire transfer are taken out of an account and when they are credited to the receivers account. This despite the fact that transfer is electronic and virtually instantaneous. I believe banks can set their own rules as to when to credit funds. It also depends on whether the sending bank uses fed wire or clearing house.

[madmole]

I used to write the software that did all this at major banks and clearing houses, In Europe the legal time delay the banks are allowed is 5 WORKING days, so basically a week. Most send it fairly instantly to the receiving bank. Its the banks that then hang on to it as long as possible till they credit it to the final account. Indeed by the time the receiver has got it the banks have used it in probably a dozen FOREX, and Share exchanges

[Etschell]

Buy the seller not the watch. Sorry for the situation. Hope you get your money back. Learn from it. I great deal is never worth few hundred bucks savings for risk when you are shelling out 6 grand.

[edsalem]

Never received the watch, and I got an email from another member on TRF who was also scammed by this "Watson" or "Edna Watson."

[Old Expat Beast]

Ok, I just banned R.car (at least for the time being) for the protection of other members. Let us know how it goes and if you get this resolved. Good luck.

[hunterp27]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

Ok, I just banned R.car (at least for the time being) for the protection of other members. Let us know how it goes and if you get this resolved. Good luck.

That's the right thing to do.....this thing has all the making of a scam that was taking place simultaneously in two places. The way I see it, this guy has two people's money and is headed for the hills.

[billykmd]

wow.. that's unfortunate.

[bdex75]

OP or other victim, Has your bank tried to pull the money back yet?


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[AbsolutelyROLEX!]

Unfortunately I think wires cannot be reversed

[michigan.watches]

I'm sorry to hear about the OP's loss.

It looks like virtually all of the seller's 68 posts were accumulated over about a one week period by typing "looks great" or "nice watch" into as many threads as he could find.

[bradj]

I'd give it just a little longer and then file an FBI Internet Crime Complaint

http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx

[gbx]

Both members have fairly fresh/new accounts. I'm sure moderators have more information than what is presented in this thread, but I can't help but wonder how a member here would transfer money via bank wire to a 2 month old account with nothing but "nice watch" posts to their credit.

Nothing in the Buyers/Sellers who's who on the seller. Any references off-forum would safely be assumed shills.

It just doesn't add up. I certainly feel for the buyer if they are ~6k light in the pocketbook because of an advertisement here. But should be safe to assume that a seller account, less than 90 days old, with no history on the forum to speak of, is high-risk. And unrecoverable forms of payment should be avoided.

I apologize if this offends anyone. I just have to notice the elephant in the room here.

[123Blueface]

Originally Posted by gbx

Both members have fairly fresh/new accounts. I'm sure moderators have more information than what is presented in this thread, but I can't help but wonder how a member here would transfer money via bank wire to a 2 month old account with nothing but "nice watch" posts to their credit.

Nothing in the Buyers/Sellers who's who on the seller. Any references off-forum would safely be assumed shills.

It just doesn't add up. I certainly feel for the buyer if they are ~6k light in the pocketbook because of an advertisement here. But should be safe to assume that a seller account, less than 90 days old, with no history on the forum to speak of, is high-risk. And unrecoverable forms of payment should be avoided.

I apologize if this offends anyone. I just have to notice the elephant in the room here.

I believe he was given bogus references.

[GoingPlaces]

I just read the thread in it's entirety. Very unfortunate, so sorry to hear that this occurred. Bad people exist everywhere nowadays. Regardless of this outcome, it's a shame we have to be so guarded.

I hope it all works out.

[jrs146]

Gotta be careful out there.
Maybe it would be worth considering for the monitors to restrict FS ads for people with less than a certain number of posts.


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[HL65]

Originally Posted by jrs146

Gotta be careful out there.
Maybe it would be worth considering for the monitors to restrict FS ads for people with less than a certain number of posts.


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This is very unfortunate but as many of us have said over and over again the one thing scam threads have in common is seller is virtual unknown with little feedback and history. If one wants to avoid getting scammed stick to trustworthy top notch well known sellers. There is not shortage of them and they are easy to deal with and find here. If people want to go for lowest price there is a reason these guys price their watches well below the market. Sadly lessons learned the hard way. So restricting not going to help but people being careful and doing homework will. But the seller and do your homework and avoid painful lessons.

[Knappo 1307]

OP, any updates?

[Rockrolex]

Originally Posted by HL65

This is very unfortunate but as many of us have said over and over again the one thing scam threads have in common is seller is virtual unknown with little feedback and history. If one wants to avoid getting scammed stick to trustworthy top notch well known sellers. There is not shortage of them and they are easy to deal with and find here. If people want to go for lowest price there is a reason these guys price their watches well below the market. Sadly lessons learned the hard way. So restricting not going to help but people being careful and doing homework will. But the seller and do your homework and avoid painful lessons.

X2, Ken. I couldn't agree more.

[jrs146]

Originally Posted by HL65

This is very unfortunate but as many of us have said over and over again the one thing scam threads have in common is seller is virtual unknown with little feedback and history. If one wants to avoid getting scammed stick to trustworthy top notch well known sellers. There is not shortage of them and they are easy to deal with and find here. If people want to go for lowest price there is a reason these guys price their watches well below the market. Sadly lessons learned the hard way. So restricting not going to help but people being careful and doing homework will. But the seller and do your homework and avoid painful lessons.

Very true... best thing is to "buy the seller". This is such a great community of amazing and honest people. It's a shame a few bad apples find their way in.