Curious about Richard Mille

[tom2517]

Originally Posted by 1st amg

Silence is in the air.....very very quiet Tom.


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No I don't own one but I have played with various models many times.

Use a loupe and look at the movement, it's mostly machine finished. Many cheaper watches are finished better, though they don't have the cool case. RM cases is what makes RM, which I never deny it's a nice case, and I might buy one in the future because of the case.

For RM's size, they have more boutiques than many big brands, and the amount of sponsorship, not to mention the new McLaren sponsorship, where does the money come from?

The margin of RM is sky high, don't ask me, many industry insider knows, spent time talking with them. Almost 70k for a RM11 titanium bracelet? I guess a PP 5960 is cheaper to make if you believe that.

Luxury watches are all overpriced, some more than others, but RM is on the upper end.

No point arguing with a fanboy like texex91 though, he attacks anyone who criticises RM, maybe he is a RM watch salesman. Besides, I am used to fanboys, I own a 5970P but said Aquanaut is ugly, that the dial looks like a tire tread, got flamed, can't even criticise a brand that I own.

[texex91]

Originally Posted by tom2517

No I don't own one but I have played with various models many times.

Use a loupe and look at the movement, it's mostly machine finished. Many cheaper watches are finished better, though they don't have the cool case. RM cases is what makes RM, which I never deny it's a nice case, and I might buy one in the future because of the case.

For RM's size, they have more boutiques than many big brands, and the amount of sponsorship, not to mention the new McLaren sponsorship, where does the money come from?

The margin of RM is sky high, don't ask me, many industry insider knows, spent time talking with them. Almost 70k for a RM11 titanium bracelet? I guess a PP 5960 is cheaper to make if you believe that.

Luxury watches are all overpriced, some more than others, but RM is on the upper end.

No point arguing with a fanboy like texex91 though, he attacks anyone who criticises RM, maybe he is a RM watch salesman. Besides, I am used to fanboys, I own a 5970P but said Aquanaut is ugly, that the dial looks like a tire tread, got flamed, can't even criticise a brand that I own.

No fanboy, just an actual owner that knows better.

And there is a difference of 'attacking', versus actually giving FACTS to clarify lies spread by many who have no clue about RM--such as yourself (by your own admission).

You ever step foot in APRP (or do you even know who that is?). You have ZERO clue as to finish of their movements.

I watched their movements being made in person and it's an amazing process. You realize many of their movement pieces are made of exotic materials that ONLY a CNC machine can cut--right? You make a statement about machined movements, but you need to get your facts straight. I speak in facts not innuendo. That is the difference between us.

I think Mr. Papi would disagree with your false statements as well.

And yes, they aim at a different target than someone like Rolex. That's why they only make 2200 watches a year...it's an exclusive brand. No big secret there--they cost more. But WHY they cost more is what you are missing (like most who only focus on price).

Haters will hate, so continue down your Uwerk path--those are some fine examples of watches

"I've played with" "I've talked to"--you sound like an expert.

Best.

[themaninblack]

Originally Posted by texex91

Cool--like your jungle.

In the US not a dime a dozen like most brands.

They are still pretty rare but I have seen a few around aside from the ex-neighbour. We are pretty obsessed by tennis down here and that might have given the brand a bit more exposure and general appeal too. Rafa is very popular. Then again so is Novak so ... Well a slightly different space. And guess what watch brand is one of the major sponsors of the Australian Open? Yep you got it in one!

[tom2517]

Originally Posted by texex91

No fanboy, just an actual owner that knows better.

And there is a difference of 'attacking' versus actually giving FACTS to clarify lies spread by many who have no clue about RM--such as yourself (by your own admission).

You ever step foot in APRP (or do you even know who that is?). You have ZERO clue as to finish of their movements.

I watched their movements being made in person and it's an amazing process. You realize many of their movement pieces are made of exotic materials that ONLY a CNC machine can cut--right? You make a statement about machined movements, but you need to get your facts straight. I speak in facts not innuendo. That is the difference between us.

I think Mr. Papi would disagree with your false statements as well.

Haters will hate, so continue down your Uwerk path--those are some fine examples of watches

"I've played with" "I've talked to"--you sound like an expert.

Best.

Actually owner doesn't make you know better.

I know what APRP is, again, you like to condescend and presume people don't like RM because they can't afford it.

Machine finish is machine finish, doesn't matter who makes it. It's a cost saving measure and RM practice a lot of it. There are too many (non exotic) movement parts with straight finish for a watch this price range.

And RM is nowhere near the size of Rolex, and yet they do quite a bit of marketing and sponsorship for a small brand, money have to come from somewhere, so yes, the price is high because RM is exclusive, but it is also because they need the super high margin to support all the marketing.

[texex91]

Originally Posted by tom2517

Actually owner doesn't make you know better.

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Well actually, being an owner, that visited the factory, studies the watches, enjoys the brand, knows a lot more about the movements, spends hours a week talking with other RM owners, talks with several RM AD's every week, etc...yes I do know more than you obviously when it comes to RM. That is evident by your posts.

But I'll tell you what when I'm ready for a Uwerk, I'll make sure to PM you. I'll admit you're probably an expert in that amazing brand.

You always bash RM, so continue to spread your 'knowledge' o'wise one.

Take care.

[jschmidtdmd]

lol.

[benlee]

Originally Posted by conkers

RM is now the must have watch amongst the young wealthy in Jakarta and to an extent Singapore and Manila. It's a tragedy. Still they tend to do go for the white ones and the jewelled ones, which leaves the nicer ones for me, so that's fine.

That's definitely true. I frequently spot a few when flying on SQ. The other popular pieces are Pateks and APs. Just last week, I saw a very nice RM on a fellow Indonesian passenger, in RG case, skeletonized chronograph ( Not sure the ref.. ), such commanding wrist presence. Actually tempted to get one. But then I have to uphold my vow...

[T. Ferguson]

The thing I really dislike about RM is I don't have the money for one. That's really my biggest complaint.

[conkers]

APRP are on record as saying that RM is their most demanding customer in terms of quality and finishing.

Not all RMs are APRP of course - the 11 uses an Vaucher ebauche if I am not mistaken (they make all RM automatic movements to RM's explicit specifications except the 7).

As to the comments on finishing, of the high end manufacturers, Lange in my view is the best. Above PP and Vaucher and AP. In the uber high end category, noone comes close to Greubel Forsey. APRP are of course very near the top of the tree.

I have owned a lot of nice watches (5970, 5204, Double Split, Datograph Perpetual, JLC Master Tourbillons etc.), the finishing on my RM002's movement is better than any others I have owned.

[texex91]

Originally Posted by benlee

Just last week, I saw a very nice RM on a fellow Indonesian passenger, in RG case, skeletonized chronograph ( Not sure the ref.. ), such commanding wrist presence. Actually tempted to get one. But then I have to uphold my vow...

Ben you have held out long enough. Its almost March, nothing like an RM to break the vow

Originally Posted by conkers

I have owned a lot of nice watches (5970, 5204, Double Split, Datograph Perpetual, JLC Master Tourbillons etc.), the finishing on my RM002's movement is better than any others I have owned.

As always, well said.