2016 Tudor Black Bay W/ In House Movement

[speedmaster73]

it was the 'perfect' watch.....until the rivets

mark me down for not buying one because of the 'rivets'..simply awful

i think rolex does this crap on purpose....they know if they release the BBB with the new inhouse and rolex style bracelet that it will take sales away from the 'crown'

the rivet bracelet looks like it belongs on a BALL watch

[SemperFi]

Originally Posted by Chadridv

Later this year shouldn't be a problem. I assume there will be a wave of people trading their BBs in for the newer model. 5 years from now may be a bit more difficult.

I wouldn't mind the newer model except for the riveted bracelet. I think its not as versatile when used in a dressier situation as the current one. It's definitely more of a tool look.

[droptopman]

LOL, I love the rivet and more pronounced bevels. I like the layout of the dial, but at least in these pics looks to be darker. Might just be lighting in pics, but the original dial was soft and warm.

[Black Bay Dan]

I like the new bronze model but prefer the original Black Bay watches. I can't get excited about Rolex now making the movement as mine keeps time as well as my other Rolex watches!

Dan

[Chadridv]

Originally Posted by speedmaster73

it was the 'perfect' watch.....until the rivets

mark me down for not buying one because of the 'rivets'..simply awful

i think rolex does this crap on purpose....they know if they release the BBB with the new inhouse and rolex style bracelet that it will take sales away from the 'crown'

the rivet bracelet looks like it belongs on a BALL watch

I happen to agree with most of this, except if you wanted the new movement/dial you could always just buy it with strap and source a predecessor bracelet. I'd be willing to bet it fits.

[Cryten]

The Black Bay black was one of those "I can't possibly continue life without it" watches. I saw a photo, made some calls and had it on my wrist within a day. It's a keeper and if a short production run keeps or increases it's value, all the better.

That DLC Black Bay has the same draw as the BB black did. I never had any interest in Tudor, and now within six months there are two models I just cant resist.

They must be doing something right.

[sunspot005]

Originally Posted by deuxani

The one with ETA movement will become a collectors item as it has only been on the market for 1 year.

I think that's a good possibility as well. I bought my ETA Black Bay Black because I got an insider tip that Tudor was going to stop production on this watch.

At first, I was upset that I had purchased it right before the in-house movement came out, but then I realized that my watch is now the rarest of the relaunched Tudor line (other than the one-off Black Bay One). I'm relatively new to the vintage Rolex/Tudor world, but it seems that the movement has little to do with collectability--the dial is the major factor.

So I think the ETA Black version has a good chance to appreciate because:
1) super limited run
2) it has the rose logo vs the shield. As John Mayer commented, he thinks the rose is cool, and the shield not as cool
3) it has "Rotor Self-Winding" smiley face vs the 3-line text of new version, which I think is busy and apes Rolex too much

I don't think the bracelet will have much effect on the value. I wear mine on strap all the time and ordered extras. I'll basically never use the original steel strap, and will offer it as mint when someone wants to buy my watch for $5k at some point :)

[ltmgeller]

I'd like to see the bbd when it comes out.

[twowheel]

Just bought a BBB new last week right before the new release. Glad I did.. I thought the whole idea was to produce a watch that was fairly close to the one off . The new one seems to be a twisted version... Why call it a heritage if the shield is on the dial. As said earlier it was released in Oct 2015 but a lot of ADs did not receive them till November and early Dec. Shortest run I've seen for a long time in the Rolex family.... Me thinks this will be a collectable .... I don't think the ETA will make any difference . What movement was in the original 1954 ? ....... hmmmmm

[fgu16750]

Black Bay Black was introduced on October, 15, 2015, according to Instagram Tudor's account.

Regarding the new riveted bracelet, as far as could be seen at Tudor's web page, rivets are not functional, are stamped, so looks like rivets but are not.

[Singslinger]

Not me. Although the black and bronze are nice, I still prefer the looks of the original red BB.

[Laszlo]

The bronze is very nice. I can find myself figuring out a way to get that one. I really like what Tudor has been doing for the past three-years... They're thinking outside of the box and looking to acquire new, younger customers. Which the industry needs as a whole.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by twowheel

Just bought a BBB new last week right before the new release. Glad I did.. I thought the whole idea was to produce a watch that was fairly close to the one off . The new one seems to be a twisted version... Why call it a heritage if the shield is on the dial. As said earlier it was released in Oct 2015 but a lot of ADs did not receive them till November and early Dec. Shortest run I've seen for a long time in the Rolex family.... Me thinks this will be a collectable .... I don't think the ETA will make any difference . What movement was in the original 1954 ? ....... hmmmmm

I'm really tempted to go out and buy an ETA Black this weekend to go with my Red. Not for investment purposes, but I really think it will become much sought-after in the future.

[twowheel]

Originally Posted by fgu16750

Black Bay Black was introduced on October, 15, 2015, according to Instagram Tudor's account.

Regarding the new riveted bracelet, as far as could be seen at Tudor's web page, rivets are not functional, are stamped, so looks like rivets but are not.

Was just talking to a local collector about that and we were discussing whether or not they were applied or real ...... now we know...Don't like it at all..... They must be trying to sway the Nixon crowd to bump it up a notch or 20.....

[Boothroyd]

Stamped rivets...that just seems tacky. Happy with the one I have of the previous generation.

[bbressler]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

I prefer the older dial. Not sure yet about the rivet bracelet.

Totally agree. Part of me wants to grab the ETA version with the rose, curved text and non-rivet while I can.

[Duke84]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

I'm really tempted to go out and buy an ETA Black this weekend to go with my Red. Not for investment purposes, but I really think it will become much sought-after in the future.

Me too. Don't like the increased case height on the new Black Bay, and really don't care for the rivets.

[ZeKe]

While it remains to be seen if the ETA BBN will appreciate in value, I truley belive it has all the elements to make it a future collectible (A very limited production run, a dial that is more true to heritage). I will not "trade up" as I feel it's just a bit more special and HIGHLY unlikely this model could get any better. It's as good as it gets in terms of it's dial.
I think ETA BBN and ranger exemplify Tudor; They exude Tudor unapologetically without trying to be something else.

[Showcall]

I'd Like to see the Bronze on a metal bracelet

[blcblc]

Originally Posted by sunspot005

I think that's a good possibility as well. I bought my ETA Black Bay Black because I got an insider tip that Tudor was going to stop production on this watch.

At first, I was upset that I had purchased it right before the in-house movement came out, but then I realized that my watch is now the rarest of the relaunched Tudor line (other than the one-off Black Bay One). I'm relatively new to the vintage Rolex/Tudor world, but it seems that the movement has little to do with collectability--the dial is the major factor.

So I think the ETA Black version has a good chance to appreciate because:
1) super limited run
2) it has the rose logo vs the shield. As John Mayer commented, he thinks the rose is cool, and the shield not as cool
3) it has "Rotor Self-Winding" smiley face vs the 3-line text of new version, which I think is busy and apes Rolex too much

I don't think the bracelet will have much effect on the value. I wear mine on strap all the time and ordered extras. I'll basically never use the original steel strap, and will offer it as mint when someone wants to buy my watch for $5k at some point :)

Agree. I like the older version dial better. Glad i have it

[GradyPhilpott]

I like the rivets.

[Friar]

While I'm a big fan of the new movement having a North Flag, the old dial is far preferable.

[Wacko]

Too bad for the rivets, otherwise a great piece.

[josephvman]

I've got a BBB and its one of my favorites, so I was excited to hear that it got the new movement. I'm okay with the dial but not so sure about the new bracelet. Trying to resemble an old folded oyster seems a bit too contrived to me. The one reservation I have on all the Tudor oyster bracelets is that they're just not as comfortable as Rolex oysters, mainly because of the lack of taper that Rolex has and their bulkiness in the clasp area.

I did order the new Bronze!

[sickened1]

Originally Posted by Wacko

Too bad for the rivets, otherwise a great piece.

x2

I'm not feeling the new bracelet. Might go for BB36 instead.

[sunspot005]

Originally Posted by Friar

While I'm a big fan of the new movement having a North Flag, the old dial is far preferable.

I'd be curious to know how much better the in-house movement is relative to the high-end ETA. I know the in-house has a 70-hr reserve, but the BB doesn't have a date function, so what does it matter?

Rolex has a good, solid movement that lasts forever, but it's nothing special. Rolex and Tudor's value are tied to their marketing, and of course supply and demand; i.e. everyone knows what Rolex is and wants one. How else do you explain the ridiculous prices certain vintage pieces command?

A Rolex movement is like a Honda Accord motor. It's not like the Ferraris inside the Holy Trinity (Patek, AP, Vacheron) or a Lange. Even JLC and Zenith are far superior, not to mention even cheaper watches like Nomos or Grand Seiko.

My main point is, the new Tudor Black Bay Black with in-house won't command higher prices in the secondary market because of its movement. All Rolexes and Tudors become collectible because of the uniqueness of a given dial.

[Jason I]

Will have to keep my BBB at least for a while. Especially since I just purchased it in Dec 15'. Enjoy the looks of my older dial, but probably could also live with the new version too. Not a fan of the rivoted links, though.

[LandLawMan]

HODINKEE released data on the Bronze Black Bay, saying that the Bronze is formulated with Aluminum. They said: "In combination with the characteristic golden coloration of aluminum bronze, the effect is very visual [SIC] rich." I couldn't agree more.

I own a Vosconti Bronze which employs this same mixture of traditional Bronze (which is a mix of copper and tin) alloyed with Aluminum. I love it. It takes a leap of faith to own a bronze watch. But I can promise you that if you own one, you'll love how it becomes so personal to you with the addition of every single speck of unique patina.

[ThoHod]

Very interesting discussion. I was absolutely sold on the new BBB and love the look of the riveted bracelet. BUT the fact of the short production run of the old BBB is intriguing. I am buying this to pass on to my two week old son and would love a possible rare watch. I was looking for one that was released on the year of his birth but can forego that. My local AD has one in stock also. A lot of serious thinking to do. Thanks for bringing this post up and all the good comments!

[Furrygoat]

Originally Posted by sunspot005

A Rolex movement is like a Honda Accord motor. It's not like the Ferraris inside the Holy Trinity (Patek, AP, Vacheron) or a Lange. Even JLC and Zenith are far superior, not to mention even cheaper watches like Nomos or Grand Seiko.

Lol