Thoughts on Hadron Collider?

[East Bay Rider]

I watched/listened to the webcast live on my computer at work. Not much to see but I could listen and understand just fine.
They started with one beam completely around the 27 km ring (clockwise) then another counter-clockwise. When the second one reached 2 little blips of light appeared on a screen. The scientists and engineers sure seemed excited.

[redshirt1957]

Originally Posted by East Bay Rider

I watched/listened to the webcast live on my computer at work. Not much to see but I could listen and understand just fine.
They started with one beam completely around the 27 km ring (clockwise) then another counter-clockwise. When the second one reached 2 little blips of light appeared on a screen. The scientists and engineers sure seemed excited.

Ha! I listened to the webcast in a tub full of water holding two hot wires and a grounded nuetral and I tell you; I saw a collision when I looked down.

[Terry Newton]

This thing cost billions of dollars with the Lion's Share covered by the good old USA as usual.

We have difficulty feeding our own hungry people and getting them jobs. Seems like our priorities are a little skewed lately. We lost the sense of the fact that one life is precious.

Terry Newton

[astcell]

Originally Posted by Terry Newton

This thing cost billions of dollars with the Lion's Share covered by the good old USA as usual.

We have difficulty feeding our own hungry people and getting them jobs. Seems like our priorities are a little skewed lately. We lost the sense of the fact that one life is precious.

Terry Newton

So we take the homeless people, put them in the Hadron Collider, and feed them to the hungry?

Without sounding political, the government gave me a free education to 12th grade, allowed me to join the military for more training in exchange for my service, then paid for my college in trade for six more years of service.

The government has a tough time helping those who do not wish to help themselves. There are lots of rehabilitative programs out there. You cannot force a person to make wise choices.

[redshirt1957]

Originally Posted by astcell

So we take the homeless people, put them in the Hadron Collider, and feed them to the hungry?

Without sounding political, the government gave me a free education to 12th grade, allowed me to join the military for more training in exchange for my service, then paid for my college in trade for six more years of service.

The government has a tough time helping those who do not wish to help themselves. There are lots of rehabilitative programs out there. You cannot force a person to make wise choices.

Hey, why did you have to bring me up in this post?

[JimSnyder]

I collecting my thoughts

[JimSnyder]

Originally Posted by astcell

So we take the homeless people, put them in the Hadron Collider, and feed them to the hungry?

Without sounding political, the government gave me a free education to 12th grade, allowed me to join the military for more training in exchange for my service, then paid for my college in trade for six more years of service.

The government has a tough time helping those who do not wish to help themselves. There are lots of rehabilitative programs out there. You cannot force a person to make wise choices.

The goverment helps them sit at home all day long on welfair. In the course of a day I work around Asians, Mexicans and today a couple of Ukranian trim carpenters. It kills me to hear the guys I work with make fun of them. They are here to work. Doing the jobs that my fellow countrymen doin't want to do. They would rather sit on their ass and collect welfair than work. The guys I work with seem to forget that their ancesters were once immigrants that came to the US for a better life.

[Terry Newton]

Originally Posted by astcell

So we take the homeless people, put them in the Hadron Collider, and feed them to the hungry?

Without sounding political, the government gave me a free education to 12th grade, allowed me to join the military for more training in exchange for my service, then paid for my college in trade for six more years of service.

The government has a tough time helping those who do not wish to help themselves. There are lots of rehabilitative programs out there. You cannot force a person to make wise choices.

I hear this all the time. When people come from multi-generational poverty we expect them to grab themselves by the bootstrap and go for it no matter what. In Rotary and other service clubs we take all of the other poor people of the world and help them with mission trips, medical care, money, food, etc. I am hoping that someday we apply those principals to our own people without always coming up with a simplistic answer that; "Because it worked for me, it will work for everybody". I had the same opportunities you did with 12 years free education, military, GI Bill for being a Viet Nam Era veteran, etc. What made this work is coming from middle class America to begin with instead of abject poverty. I had the upper hand to make these things work and still do. Most of the extremely poor people I work with haven't a clue. What little welfare is given out pales in comparison to the pork barrel projects and corporate welfare that goes on in this country. Many can also steal more in a suit and tie than most criminals ever got away with. Enron and the other corporations lately involved in this kind of crime are living proof of that. All of the manufacturing jobs that have trickled out of Michigan in the last few years has left many people hungry as their jobs went overseas. I have a part-time secretary position open at my agency right now. I am getting on average of 25 - 40 resumes a day for a job that is part-time, pays no benefits, and pays $12.00 per hour. We're giving away ton's of food away in our town now to the people who lost their jobs and are hungry. The answers are not as simple as you state.

Terry Newton

[Oscar]

Originally Posted by redshirt1957

Ha! I listened to the webcast in a tub full of water holding two hot wires and a grounded nuetral and I tell you; I saw a collision when I looked down.

I know for certain what you were using to earth yourself with.............still taking those blue pills I see............

[astcell]

I had a job opening for $10/hr, no one wanted it. One guy asked but decided against it. A year later he called back and asked if the job is still open, I said no, we hired a guy at $10/hr and today he gets $35/hr plus benefits.

No one wants to start at the bottom.

[astcell]

Terry,

If a TV repairman loses his job because TVs become disposable, if a camera store closes because digital takes away from the film processing income, and if the ice cream man no longer drives down the street due to gas prices, well that is part of the cost of doing business. Some people work themselves into dead end jobs that have no future and that cannot adapt. Yes these people need retraining. One job closes and another opens.

As for jobs leaving the country, I met the guy who closed a plant laying off 300 people in a small town. The plant was built in the 1960s and could not change their pollution output to meet standards which voters voted for. It was cheaper to close the plant and leave than to change emissions. So they can have clean air to breathe while looking for a job.

As for generations of welfare, I worked 6 years at the welfare office and have seen it all. There is a large attitude of expectations and entitlements, yet when aid gets cut they whined that now they are forced to go get a job. And some did.

Teen pregnancy and dropping out of grade school is not helping matters either, but this too is a choice. Asking people to not have kids until they are out of high school is not a bad thing. We reward and encourage single parents, and then the folks wonder why they cannot be a doctor or have a real job when they have 3 kids at 22 years of age. they simply do not get it.

Do all parents not want better for their kids? Would not a parent on welfare encourage their child to get off the streets and work doubletime to make that happen?

We cannot hand them willpower either. They need to make that choice for themselves.

I admire agencies like Rotary that assist those in need. Many folks can do well if they get a kick start. I bet giving a person a check for ten months of welfare as a one-time shot will do better than 1/10th as a monthly pittance. I am sure if there was a single solution out there, we would have found it by now. And then there are those who get in their feet only to be knocked down again.

Gone is the day when we get a job after high school, work at it until we are 65, then get a gold watch and social security. We need to change our teaching methods a bit if you ask me.

And for the record I was jobless, hungry, and homeless. I was offered 40 pounds of cheese and $80 in food stamps in assistance. I took it, and decided that it would not be enough. So I took care of myself and never looked back. Not too bad for this immigrant.

[Gedanken]

Uh, guys, I appreciate the views on both sides, but I think we're starting to get into treacherous waters here. What say you we take a step back?

[astcell]

Sure. I for one am glad that we have such wonderful scientific instruments, trips into space, etc!

[astcell]

http://hasthelargehadroncolliderdest...eworldyet.com/

[toph]

i have not every post here but, i thought the Hadron collider was to collide particles at such speed to recreate the big bang effect and try to reproduce the first ever particles that were ever created (they no longer exist). BUT that a Black hole could be a very unfortunate side effect- that is not the purpose in itself but thats what others on here are saying. once agian i could be wrong- but that is what i took from the explanations of the hadron collider

[Welshwatchman]

To avoid this thread being closed please refrain from pulling on the "playing god" thread and comparing the cost of the project to X amount of days in Iraq etc etc.

[skeen]

On that note, though: